The vocal in "I Can't Stop Loving You" was rough.

sing and danciing so intensly like in 1987 probably not but he can sing live, a few serious sessions with seth riggs and his voice is back in shape. Just needs to take it easier with the dancing and its fine,

Even Stevie has said sometimes his voice gets rough, and then he goes back to Seth. Stevie still sings the songs in same key but hes not moving dancing like Michael.

its mainly that Michael gets tired which makes it diffcult to sing in such high keys, michael always done songs (like the way you make me feel in crazy high keys to top himself. (and u cant argue that the way you make me feel IS a high key) thing is dancing and singing like that made it hard to maintain such a key thats why he sings dirty diana the way you make me feel even in 87 in a lower key live. but its not impossible

if Michael dances less and sings more he can blow people away with his voice still. If he gets serious. It's true. Learn about Speech Level Singing. Seth Riggs said your voice can only gain even at this age point as long as u train correctly and dont overuse. Michael did have some vocal problems in the early 90s also.

NMusiqNSoul said:

Are you a singer, MM? Do you know about voices, have you worked with or studied Speech Level Singing? Just some questions.

NMusiqNSoul said:

Do we really have to have this discussion with midnight again?

Annika said:

Well he can't seem to answer my questions.

As a rule, I never talk about things that I don't know about. If I'm talking about it, that means I know about it. Am I going to tell you anything more about myself? No. I never have done, and never will, but I wouldn't be talking about this subject if I didn't know vastly more than most.

midnightmover said:

Haha, that's a nice way to avoid. I'm a musician and singer I don't need to talk all vague and fancy and will tell you straigt up what I know or don't know. You challenge what i said about Michael with a picture, I counter it with some questions and you pretend to know about all I asked. That's nice but doesn't make you look good. If you really know, then you should also know what Seth Riggs knows. It is possible to get a voice back in shape. You can't debate and just talk down about Michael

NMusiqNSoul said:

Like I said, I never talk about myself in these places. That's my choice. Rather than worry about that you should worry about the craziness of your arguments. You just compared someone who has lip synched in every live show he's done for the last 21 years (MJ) with someone who has never mimed one second of a live concert in his entire life (Stevie Wonder), and tried to suggest they've got the same problem. You acknowledged MJ had vocal problems in the early '90s, but fail to explain how his lipsynching then was any different to his lip synching before and after. You talk about MJ's training with Seth Riggs and then say all Michael needs to do is a little bit of training and he'll be tip top. Err, do you need me to point out the obvious flaw in that argument? I'm serious. If you really can't see it then I'll be happy to explain.

I never stated that Stevie and Michael have the exact same problem, you said I tried to suggest, which is only an assumption. Nor have I ever said in any of my posts I agree with lipsynching. And I don't. When I said rough I was referring to the "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" song. Which he did sing live. If Michael gets serious, does less dancing, focuses on the voice seriously less on overhyped shows with too many effects and the same routines, trains with Seth seriously he can get his voice back in shape indeed, there are worse voices that have been "repaired". Do you think his voice is beyond repair and he can never sing live again?

midnightmover said:

It's kinda contradictory with Michael. I think Seth Riggs worked with him for studio work. Live, Michael probably couldn't comprehend singing fearing people will hear his cracks underneath his voice. Of course when your live shows are mostly just reenactments of music videos, of course you're gonna want to lip-sync, lol.

NMusiqNSoul said:

You compared Mike's problems to Stevie. That is a specious comparison since it implies some similarity in their situations when there is clearly none. You've also completely ignored the fact that Mike has been having these problems for 2O YEARS now. During those twenty years he's had plenty of sessions with Seth Riggs. It clearly hasn't done much good, has it? On the contrary, it's gotten worse.

Your defense is the standard one MJ fans always use which is basically..... MICHAEL IS MENTALLY RETARDED! That is your argument since you're basically saying Michael just needs a few lessons, but he's too dumb to know it. Don't you think if it was so simple he would have sorted this problem out years ago? You are basically accusing him of being mentally retarded if you say that. The man has been a professional singer all his life for godsakes. Please, try and think straight.
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Timmy84 said:

1) MICHAEL. MIMES. BALLADS.

2) Check out Madonna on The Girlie Show. She's dancing non stop and singing live all the way through. If Madonna can do it.....

3) Thousands of singers tour and sing perfectly fine. He doesn't need to have Seth Riggs follow him every second, you know. If that was the case, no one would ever be able to tour. And if he absolutely needed a singing teacher with him he could afford to take one. Point blank.

midnightmover said:

Lot of assumptions there. Please try and not put me in the same boat as so many others. You want to be so vague about yourself, yet you judge me and classify me in the above post as a random MJ fan. You're all talk. I should take you seriously why again? Moving on.

midnightmover said:

1.) Yeah I know. When he lip-sync "Stranger in Moscow", I just plain laughed. He also lip-sync his tribute song to Elizabeth Taylor.

2.) I know that also, lol. Madonna really could give a damn how she sounds, she just wants to give people all of her, nothing wrong with that.

3.) I don't know... I mean I guess when you hear so many things, you tend to believe it. I don't know if he was working with Seth like that so I don't know.

NMusiqNSoul said:

Couldn't you find a more creative way to dodge the points? I mean, just picking up your toys and walking off in a huff is so..... easy.

i can't wait to have some NEW MJ controversy to talk about ...

until then certain peeps should be banned from mj threads

the fact is that nobody cares whether he is miming or not.

they just want to see him in the flesh.

50,000 screaming fans couldn't care less even if all they could hear was MJ having a shit.

still, MJ's fart has got more singing ability than Madonna.