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Printablefilmnoirdame said: Jesus Christ, he's not a murderer!
 No one's going that far now, lol. We know human beings make mistakes but got damn...
He's a fool because he can still sing and perform and yet he rather get high. I don't even think jail can help him. Like I said, they better do their damndest (the sober members) to get him an intervention. Or else like I said, he's a goner like Bobby. | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said:  I can't believe some of ya'll are going on like this about an almost 50 year-old crackhead like it's the end of the world. El had many chances and opportunies, moreso than the average crackhead, to get clean and change his life. He chose not to, PLUS chose to repeatedly break the law, and is now reaping the results of his choices. So, I'm sorry but I don't get all this lament and pity being thrown his way, when this dude is a grown ass muthafucka that wouldn't learn.  Exactly. Brother probably had like 20 chances to get it together and he chose to go down the self-destructive path. I can't blame his parents or Motown on this. At the end of the day, you make your own decisions. That's why there's too many musicians and celebrities who lead self-destructive lives only to die a tragedy. Eldra doesn't need to make a musical comeback, he needs some damn therapy and get away from everything, otherwise he's gonna end up like Bobby. Oh well.  I get that he's talented and I too, am a fan. But I sure as hell am not sending any pity his way on THIS one. Yeah, they had a fucked up childhood, but at some point you gotta grow up and deal with your demons and be accountable for your actions AND well-being. I could give him a pass if he was in his 20s but he's not, he's almost 50 and still doing dumb shit. So, as we say in the South, no betta for him. | |
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: Exactly. Brother probably had like 20 chances to get it together and he chose to go down the self-destructive path. I can't blame his parents or Motown on this. At the end of the day, you make your own decisions. That's why there's too many musicians and celebrities who lead self-destructive lives only to die a tragedy. Eldra doesn't need to make a musical comeback, he needs some damn therapy and get away from everything, otherwise he's gonna end up like Bobby. Oh well. I get that he's talented and I too, am a fan. But I sure as hell am not sending any pity his way on THIS one. Yeah, they had a fucked up childhood, but at some point you gotta grow up and deal with your demons and be accountable for your actions AND well-being. I could give him a pass if he was in his 20s but he's not, he's almost 50 and still doing dumb shit. So, as we say in the South, no betta for him. Hell, isn't he a grandfather now? ELEVEN KIDS, some say he may got more.  All that time Motown was trying to make them wholesome and they turn out to be worser than Whitney and look how far her career has dropped.
It's just sad, the man could probably have tried to seek some serious help and counseling, but I guess he's not too sane to even do that, much less work on anything. | |
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SCNDLS said: I can't believe some of ya'll are going on like this about an almost 50 year-old crackhead like it's the end of the world. El had many chances and opportunies, moreso than the average crackhead, to get clean and change his life. He chose not to, PLUS chose to repeatedly break the law, and is now reaping the results of his choices. So, I'm sorry but I don't get all this lament and pity being thrown his way, when this dude is a grown ass muthafucka that wouldn't learn. I don't think they feel sorry for him as a person. I think it's because of the background of his family that people tend to feel pity for him. His mother wrote a book that just came out about her family's problems with addiction. She has it on www.mamadebarge.com . She promoted it on the Tom Joyner show and she discussed how their father left her with all of those kids. How he molested her daughter and how the boys were abused. All of that is what has lead up to this point. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Shawnt25 said: SCNDLS said: I can't believe some of ya'll are going on like this about an almost 50 year-old crackhead like it's the end of the world. El had many chances and opportunies, moreso than the average crackhead, to get clean and change his life. He chose not to, PLUS chose to repeatedly break the law, and is now reaping the results of his choices. So, I'm sorry but I don't get all this lament and pity being thrown his way, when this dude is a grown ass muthafucka that wouldn't learn. All you need is a few hit songs and people will support you no matter what you do. El has had more than a "few" hits. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: SCNDLS said: I can't believe some of ya'll are going on like this about an almost 50 year-old crackhead like it's the end of the world. El had many chances and opportunies, moreso than the average crackhead, to get clean and change his life. He chose not to, PLUS chose to repeatedly break the law, and is now reaping the results of his choices. So, I'm sorry but I don't get all this lament and pity being thrown his way, when this dude is a grown ass muthafucka that wouldn't learn. I don't think they feel sorry for him as a person. I think it's because of the background of his family that people tend to feel pity for him. His mother wrote a book that just came out about her family's problems with addiction. She has it on www.mamadebarge.com . She promoted it on the Tom Joyner show and she discussed how their father left her with all of those kids. How he molested her daughter and how the boys were abused. All of that is what has lead up to this point. I still don't get how she stayed married to him for 21 years.  When you physically abuse your sons and sexually abuse your eldest daughter, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. But word is Mama D. was in denial over it. And regardless of their "conservative Christian background", most of them have lived reckless lives. It's up to them to fix their problems. All we can do as lovers of their music is just hope that they get their personal shit straight but hell some of them were 20 years deep in it before it was almost too late.
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daPrettyman said: SCNDLS said: I can't believe some of ya'll are going on like this about an almost 50 year-old crackhead like it's the end of the world. El had many chances and opportunies, moreso than the average crackhead, to get clean and change his life. He chose not to, PLUS chose to repeatedly break the law, and is now reaping the results of his choices. So, I'm sorry but I don't get all this lament and pity being thrown his way, when this dude is a grown ass muthafucka that wouldn't learn. I don't think they feel sorry for him as a person. I think it's because of the background of his family that people tend to feel pity for him. His mother wrote a book that just came out about her family's problems with addiction. She has it on www.mamadebarge.com . She promoted it on the Tom Joyner show and she discussed how their father left her with all of those kids. How he molested her daughter and how the boys were abused. All of that is what has lead up to this point. Yeah, I'm well aware of what they went through and it's tragic. But my point is that tons of people have horrific childhoods and they either do what they can to get healed from the trauma OR they succumb to dumb shit like drugs and crime. The Debarges had more reason than most (their talent) to get it together and STILL haven't. Even people that do dumb shit eventually grow out of it. But El and his brothers have continued with the poor choices well into adulthood. So it's time to pay the piper and be accountable. | |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: I don't think they feel sorry for him as a person. I think it's because of the background of his family that people tend to feel pity for him. His mother wrote a book that just came out about her family's problems with addiction. She has it on www.mamadebarge.com . She promoted it on the Tom Joyner show and she discussed how their father left her with all of those kids. How he molested her daughter and how the boys were abused. All of that is what has lead up to this point. I still don't get how she stayed married to him for 21 years. When you physically abuse your sons and sexually abuse your eldest daughter, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. But word is Mama D. was in denial over it. And regardless of their "conservative Christian background", most of them have lived reckless lives. It's up to them to fix their problems. All we can do as lovers of their music is just hope that they get their personal shit straight.
[Edited 10/29/08 14:14pm] I don't get it either cuz that muthafucka would be dead. But she was a victim too in all of this. Also, I thought she said he also sexually abused the boys especially Bobby. | |
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I can't speak for anyone else, Ms. SCNDLS, but I have loved the DeBarges music since about 81. It's not rational, but I do feel sorry for them, and especially El. You kinda want people you like to be successful. I can't really explain it. | |
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: I still don't get how she stayed married to him for 21 years. When you physically abuse your sons and sexually abuse your eldest daughter, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. But word is Mama D. was in denial over it. And regardless of their "conservative Christian background", most of them have lived reckless lives. It's up to them to fix their problems. All we can do as lovers of their music is just hope that they get their personal shit straight.
[Edited 10/29/08 14:14pm] I don't get it either cuz that muthafucka would be dead. But she was a victim too in all of this. Also, I thought she said he also sexually abused the boys especially Bobby.You saw what she said about him when she first met him: "I didn't think he'd like me because I was too dark." And went on, married the man and he turned out to be an asshole. I think he molested Bobby mostly. Don't know about the others.[Edited 10/29/08 14:22pm] | |
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Stymie said: I can't speak for anyone else, Ms. SCNDLS, but I have loved the DeBarges music since about 81. It's not rational, but I do feel sorry for them, and especially El. You kinda want people you like to be successful. I can't really explain it.
I totally get wanting him to be well, shoot I do to, and I wasn't referring to you when I said "some" people. But there are some folks who done got a bit EXtra on here and I was just making an observation. I guess I'm of the mind that if he doesn't give a flip about getting himself right, why should I care if he does or not. | |
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SCNDLS said: Stymie said: I can't speak for anyone else, Ms. SCNDLS, but I have loved the DeBarges music since about 81. It's not rational, but I do feel sorry for them, and especially El. You kinda want people you like to be successful. I can't really explain it.
I totally get wanting him to be well, shoot I do to, and I wasn't referring to you when I said "some" people. But there are some folks who done got a bit EXtra on here and I was just making an observation. I guess I'm of the mind that if he doesn't give a flip about getting himself right, why should I care if he does or not. I'm 50/50 on the matter: like I want him to get well, then again if he chooses to continue to go down the path he's going, then why should it matter anyway? It's tragic that the man couldn't see the light before it hit him squarely in the ass.  And now look at him, a sad parody of his former upbeat self. | |
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SCNDLS said: Stymie said: I can't speak for anyone else, Ms. SCNDLS, but I have loved the DeBarges music since about 81. It's not rational, but I do feel sorry for them, and especially El. You kinda want people you like to be successful. I can't really explain it.
I totally get wanting him to be well, shoot I do to, and I wasn't referring to you when I said "some" people. But there are some folks who done got a bit EXtra on here and I was just making an observation. I guess I'm of the mind that if he doesn't give a flip about getting himself right, why should I care if he does or not. | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said: I don't get it either cuz that muthafucka would be dead. But she was a victim too in all of this. Also, I thought she said he also sexually abused the boys especially Bobby.You saw what she said about him when she first met him: "I didn't think he'd like me because I was too dark." And went on, married the man and he turned out to be an asshole. I think he molested Bobby mostly. Don't know about the others.
[Edited 10/29/08 14:22pm] Women in general, and black women especially, have major self-esteem issues that often end up hurting their kids. Just look at Jennifer Hudson's situation. Maybe if her sister loved herself more to make better decisions, her whole family would be alive right now. On a side note, this weekend the 15 year-old nephew of a close friend of mine accidentally killed his best friend with a gun. So while he was running the streets and getting into shit, his mother was at home on Section 8, smoking crack, with the drug dealer she let move in with her and her 3 kids. Maybe if she loved herself more, she woulda made better choices and her son wouldn't be getting tried as an adult right now. THIS situation, IMO, is REALLY tragic. A child will be paying for this mistake for the rest of his life. While El on the other hand, had the good fortune to live to adulthood and be blessed with talent but he's STILL fucking up. [Edited 10/29/08 14:44pm] | |
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daPrettyman said: Shawnt25 said: All you need is a few hit songs and people will support you no matter what you do. El has had more than a "few" hits. And your point is? I'm not inclined to feel pity on him just because he had 20 hits in his career. Also, I wasn't just speaking on El, but celebrity culture as a whole. All you need is some success in the music/movie industry, and people will support you no matter what your crime. | |
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: You saw what she said about him when she first met him: "I didn't think he'd like me because I was too dark." And went on, married the man and he turned out to be an asshole. I think he molested Bobby mostly. Don't know about the others.
[Edited 10/29/08 14:22pm] Women in general, and black women especially, have major self-esteem issues that often end up hurting their kids. Just look at Jennifer Hudson's situation. Maybe if her sister loved herself more to make better decisions, her whole family would be alive right now. On a side note, this weekend the 15 year-old nephew of a close friend of mine accidently killed his best friend with a gun. So while he was running the streets and getting into shit, his mother was at home on Section 8, smoking crack, with the drug dealer she let move in with her and her 3 kids. Maybe if she loved herself more, she woulda made better choices and her son wouldn't be getting tried as an adult right now. THIS situation, IMO, is REALLY tragic. A child will be paying for this mistake for the rest of his life. While El on the other hand, had the good fortune to live to adulthood and be blessed with talent but he's STILL fucking up. [Edited 10/29/08 14:30pm] When you put it like that, then why the fuck I gotta feel pity for Patrick DeBarge for? | |
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I agree with Stymie. I have a huge soft spot in my heart for Debarge and I have no idea why. If Mama D had an issue with all them kids, she should have used birth control. I always wondered about that.
I also think that woman is self promoting and always trying to pimp her kids' tragedy and then taking a back seat and throwing up her hands as if to say there was nothing she could do. I call BS. She could have left him and gone back to her family, who I hear are close knit. If this is had happened now, Mama D would prolly be a stage mom to rival Dina Lohan I don't think all the kids were molested. I think Pops tapered off with that mess before he could get his hands on Chico, but I'm not sure. The whole story keeps changing. | |
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Ain't it funny most of the DeBarges had nicknames:
"Bunny" is actually Etterlene DeBarge. "Randy" is actually William DeBarge. "El" is actually Patrick ELDRA DeBarge. "Marty" is Mark DeBarge. "Chico" is JONATHAN ARTHUR DEBARGE. "Peaches" is Carol DeBarge. "Young" is Darryl DeBarge. And even more funnier, "Young" DeBarge isn't 33, he's 39! [Edited 10/29/08 15:35pm] | |
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"Young" is his name cause along with Peaches, he is the baby of the family. Chico also calls him "Flakes". He is also the only homely Debarge brother. Guess the good genes were finally tapped out when he came along. Thank God Bunny's real name isn't Bunny. I always wondered about that. I have heard Mark referred to as either Mark or Marty. Actually, I always heard Chico's middle name was Arthur, not Edward. | |
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"Flakes"? | |
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Maybe he has hella dandruff.
Anyway, one thing I will say for the Debarges-they seem like a close family. | |
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filmnoirdame said: Maybe he has hella dandruff.
Anyway, one thing I will say for the Debarges-they seem like a close family.
Or maybe Darryl likes to eat Frosted Flakes. | |
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Just found out El is due back in court on the 10th on the other charges he was arrested for. He could get more jail time. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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Timmy84 said: filmnoirdame said: Maybe he has hella dandruff.
Anyway, one thing I will say for the Debarges-they seem like a close family.
Or maybe Darryl likes to eat Frosted Flakes. Or maybe he has a thing for snow-flakes!  | |
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scriptgirl said: Just found out El is due back in court on the 10th on the other charges he was arrested for. He could get more jail time.
How are you finding all of this mess out  ??? | |
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Ottensen said: scriptgirl said: Just found out El is due back in court on the 10th on the other charges he was arrested for. He could get more jail time.
How are you finding all of this mess out ???Who you think El is using his one phone call on??? | |
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It's not hard to find out info if you know where to look "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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SCNDLS said: Ottensen said: How are you finding all of this mess out ???Who you think El is using his one phone call on???  | |
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Stymie said: SCNDLS said: I totally get wanting him to be well, shoot I do to, and I wasn't referring to you when I said "some" people. But there are some folks who done got a bit EXtra on here and I was just making an observation. I guess I'm of the mind that if he doesn't give a flip about getting himself right, why should I care if he does or not. A Debarge fan club? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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scriptgirl said: It's not hard to find out info if you know where to look
But for what end? You've clearly demonstrated that you have the means, I'm just puzzled about what you want to express ultimately with all this. | |
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