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Reply #60 posted 10/23/08 1:42pm

curioso

vainandy said:



Oh, I'd like to slap them too. lol

Another way to get sales is to go after the female audience. And what do lots of females like? Slow music moreso than fast music. Once you get that female audience, they will get their pussy whipped boyfriends to buy the records and take them to the concerts. I remember miss goodie good did a concert in my area that first year she came out and some good friends of mine went that didn't even like her music. When I asked them why they were going, they said their girlfriend wanted to go and wanted them to go with them. Even though I wasn't out of the closet yet, I knew deep down inside I was gay because, not only would I not take pussy for free, but I be damned if I'd go through a horrible punishment like sitting through a Shitney Houston concert just to get something I didn't want to begin with. If a motherfucker can go through torture like that just to get some pussy, he must be straight and I know I sure as hell couldn't do it. lol
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falloff

The bold staement is true and what followed was hilarious.
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Reply #61 posted 10/23/08 1:43pm

Timmy84

curioso said:

Timmy84 said:



Doesn't mean she was branded as a true R&B artist.


It doesn't matter if she wasn't a true R&B artist. I'm saying fans of true R&B were buying her music.
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[Edited 10/23/08 13:35pm]


"True" R&B wasn't the kind of pop music that Lionel, Whitney, Diana and 'em were doing.

When rhythm and blues first emerged in 1949, if Whitney had emerged at that time, she wouldn't have been considered an R&B singer, she'll be consider like a pop singer. She wouldn't dare sing the songs in the style Lavern Baker and Ruth Brown were singing, which was always considered R&B. And R&B was initially another name for rock & roll.

And nothing about Whitney Houston was R&B or rock. Plus she was a forerunner of "contemporary R&B", which is actually pop music played by black artists with a smooth style or mixing hip-hop with pop-styled material.

It doesn't matter if black folks dug it, in the traditional term of what we would really consider R&B, Whitney was never that. She was always a crossover artist much like Michael became after "Thriller".
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Reply #62 posted 10/23/08 1:44pm

shesoffthewall

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"You Give Good Love" sounds more like adult contemporary to me and should have been played on adult contemporary stations only. The fact that the record label would even consider promoting an artist that has no rhythm to an R&B station (the "R" in R&B is short for "rhythm") is rediculous. Considering R&B stations to play her rhythmless music that doesn't fit the genre simply because she's a black artist is racist. lol Dammitt, why didn't they promote The Bus Boys to R&B radio then? Even though they were rock, they sure had much more rhythm than little miss goodie good. lol


Whitney grew up in the church and has gospel roots, she most definitely has soul and rhythm in her bones.
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Reply #63 posted 10/23/08 1:45pm

Timmy84

shesoffthewall said:

vainandy said:



"You Give Good Love" sounds more like adult contemporary to me and should have been played on adult contemporary stations only. The fact that the record label would even consider promoting an artist that has no rhythm to an R&B station (the "R" in R&B is short for "rhythm") is rediculous. Considering R&B stations to play her rhythmless music that doesn't fit the genre simply because she's a black artist is racist. lol Dammitt, why didn't they promote The Bus Boys to R&B radio then? Even though they were rock, they sure had much more rhythm than little miss goodie good. lol


Whitney grew up in the church and has gospel roots, she most definitely has soul and rhythm in her bones.


lol

She was the gospel version of Diana Ross then. lol
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Reply #64 posted 10/23/08 1:47pm

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vainandy said:



"You Give Good Love" sounds more like adult contemporary to me and should have been played on adult contemporary stations only. The fact that the record label would even consider promoting an artist that has no rhythm to an R&B station (the "R" in R&B is short for "rhythm") is rediculous. Considering R&B stations to play her rhythmless music that doesn't fit the genre simply because she's a black artist is racist. lol Dammitt, why didn't they promote The Bus Boys to R&B radio then? Even though they were rock, they sure had much more rhythm than little miss goodie good. lol


Whitney grew up in the church and has gospel roots, she most definitely has soul and rhythm in her bones.

Soul....maybe, but rhythm? Have you seen her dance videos?
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Reply #65 posted 10/23/08 1:47pm

shesoffthewall

vainandy said:



Oh, I'd like to slap them too. lol

Another way to get sales is to go after the female audience. And what do lots of females like? Slow music moreso than fast music. Once you get that female audience, they will get their pussy whipped boyfriends to buy the records and take them to the concerts. I remember miss goodie good did a concert in my area that first year she came out and some good friends of mine went that didn't even like her music. When I asked them why they were going, they said their girlfriend wanted to go and wanted them to go with them. Even though I wasn't out of the closet yet, I knew deep down inside I was gay because, not only would I not take pussy for free, but I be damned if I'd go through a horrible punishment like sitting through a Shitney Houston concert just to get something I didn't want to begin with. If a motherfucker can go through torture like that just to get some pussy, he must be straight and I know I sure as hell couldn't do it. lol
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Don't forget about the gay audience, it ain't just the females that get catered to. Just ask Cher, Madonna and Janet that. lol
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Reply #66 posted 10/23/08 1:48pm

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Whitney no Rhythm? Please. Rhythm is something more than being able to dance or move. It's something that comes natural, a voice is an instrument and she has amazing control over her instrument.And Whitney started out in Church, Gospel is the source of all music. You know how much rhythm songs of Praise have? The walking bass from the organ alone.

ON TOPIC. I like Soulalive's set list, I would like to add "get on the floor"'to the setlist also.
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Reply #67 posted 10/23/08 1:50pm

curioso

Timmy84 said:

curioso said:



It doesn't matter if she wasn't a true R&B artist. I'm saying fans of true R&B were buying her music.
[Edited 10/23/08 13:32pm]
[Edited 10/23/08 13:35pm]


"True" R&B wasn't the kind of pop music that Lionel, Whitney, Diana and 'em were doing.

When rhythm and blues first emerged in 1949, if Whitney had emerged at that time, she wouldn't have been considered an R&B singer, she'll be consider like a pop singer. She wouldn't dare sing the songs in the style Lavern Baker and Ruth Brown were singing, which was always considered R&B. And R&B was initially another name for rock & roll.

And nothing about Whitney Houston was R&B or rock. Plus she was a forerunner of "contemporary R&B", which is actually pop music played by black artists with a smooth style or mixing hip-hop with pop-styled material.

It doesn't matter if black folks dug it, in the traditional term of what we would really consider R&B, Whitney was never that. She was always a crossover artist much like Michael became after "Thriller".
[Edited 10/23/08 13:45pm]


Everything you said is true but what I'm saying is her initial succes came from 'You Give Good Love' charting at no 3 on the Billboard R&B Charts. What type of people were buying her music for it to go to no 3?
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Reply #68 posted 10/23/08 1:50pm

Timmy84

shesoffthewall said:

vainandy said:



Oh, I'd like to slap them too. lol

Another way to get sales is to go after the female audience. And what do lots of females like? Slow music moreso than fast music. Once you get that female audience, they will get their pussy whipped boyfriends to buy the records and take them to the concerts. I remember miss goodie good did a concert in my area that first year she came out and some good friends of mine went that didn't even like her music. When I asked them why they were going, they said their girlfriend wanted to go and wanted them to go with them. Even though I wasn't out of the closet yet, I knew deep down inside I was gay because, not only would I not take pussy for free, but I be damned if I'd go through a horrible punishment like sitting through a Shitney Houston concert just to get something I didn't want to begin with. If a motherfucker can go through torture like that just to get some pussy, he must be straight and I know I sure as hell couldn't do it. lol
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Don't forget about the gay audience, it ain't just the females that get catered to. Just ask Cher, Madonna and Janet that. lol


Surprisingly, gay audiences are very DIVERSE. There's one group that likes the traditional pop stuff of artists like Johnny Ray and Judy Garland, other gay audiences will go for the divas, other gay audiences will just wanna dance, other gay audiences love soul music, rock music, heavy metal, hip-hop (YES HIP-HOP) and others.

I'm sure other than Andy that there are more gay folks that probably can't STAND Whitney but will listen to P-Funk. lol
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Reply #69 posted 10/23/08 1:51pm

shesoffthewall

Timmy84 said:

shesoffthewall said:



Whitney grew up in the church and has gospel roots, she most definitely has soul and rhythm in her bones.


lol

She was the gospel version of Diana Ross then. lol


No eek

Have you heard "The Preacher's Wife" Soundtrack? Even diehard gospel fans bump the hell outta that album. lol
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Reply #70 posted 10/23/08 1:52pm

shesoffthewall

daPrettyman said:

shesoffthewall said:



Whitney grew up in the church and has gospel roots, she most definitely has soul and rhythm in her bones.

Soul....maybe, but rhythm? Have you seen her dance videos?



falloff Well I still stand by the soul statement. biggrin
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Reply #71 posted 10/23/08 1:53pm

Timmy84

curioso said:

Timmy84 said:



"True" R&B wasn't the kind of pop music that Lionel, Whitney, Diana and 'em were doing.

When rhythm and blues first emerged in 1949, if Whitney had emerged at that time, she wouldn't have been considered an R&B singer, she'll be consider like a pop singer. She wouldn't dare sing the songs in the style Lavern Baker and Ruth Brown were singing, which was always considered R&B. And R&B was initially another name for rock & roll.

And nothing about Whitney Houston was R&B or rock. Plus she was a forerunner of "contemporary R&B", which is actually pop music played by black artists with a smooth style or mixing hip-hop with pop-styled material.

It doesn't matter if black folks dug it, in the traditional term of what we would really consider R&B, Whitney was never that. She was always a crossover artist much like Michael became after "Thriller".
[Edited 10/23/08 13:45pm]


Everything you said is true but what I'm saying is her initial succes came from 'You Give Good Love' charting at no 3 on the Billboard R&B Charts. What type of people were buying her music for it to go to no 3?


We play our artists first but Clive Davis wanted to make sure she had a pop audience. He even told her to skip black radio stations and be interviewed by just white radio stations. He even told her that the cover of her album was too ethnic and that if she had been allowed to release "Saving All My Love" in the version she initially recorded, she'll get "unfair comparisons" to "Queen of Soul" Aretha Franklin. So crossover was inevitable. "You Give Good Love" was still a crossover record and that paved the way for "Saving All My Love" which hit number-one and started her streak. Yes black audiences will play her first but white audiences who saw Whitney embraced her more than we did. In fact, in the time when Whitney was arriving, we had Anita Baker and Freddie Jackson and post-1986 Luther Vandross, all of them decided to Whitney/Michael-ized their music to appeal to all audiences, Luther being the most successful.
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Reply #72 posted 10/23/08 1:54pm

Timmy84

shesoffthewall said:

Timmy84 said:



lol

She was the gospel version of Diana Ross then. lol


No eek

Have you heard "The Preacher's Wife" Soundtrack? Even diehard gospel fans bump the hell outta that album. lol


She's the pop version of Aretha and Mahalia. wink

lol
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Reply #73 posted 10/23/08 1:55pm

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shesoffthewall said:

vainandy said:



Oh, I'd like to slap them too. lol

Another way to get sales is to go after the female audience. And what do lots of females like? Slow music moreso than fast music. Once you get that female audience, they will get their pussy whipped boyfriends to buy the records and take them to the concerts. I remember miss goodie good did a concert in my area that first year she came out and some good friends of mine went that didn't even like her music. When I asked them why they were going, they said their girlfriend wanted to go and wanted them to go with them. Even though I wasn't out of the closet yet, I knew deep down inside I was gay because, not only would I not take pussy for free, but I be damned if I'd go through a horrible punishment like sitting through a Shitney Houston concert just to get something I didn't want to begin with. If a motherfucker can go through torture like that just to get some pussy, he must be straight and I know I sure as hell couldn't do it. lol
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Don't forget about the gay audience, it ain't just the females that get catered to. Just ask Cher, Madonna and Janet that. lol


And why do you think I stayed in the closet all those years? There were stereotypes that gay men listened to folks like Judy Garland, Barbara Streisand, Bette Midler, etc. In other words, the white version of Shitney Houston's type music. I knew I didn't want to be associated with weak stuff like that. It wasn't until shit hop took over and I went to gay clubs and heard house music that I realized the tables had turned and gay people were jammin' harder than straight people. lol
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Reply #74 posted 10/23/08 1:55pm

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Whitney no Rhythm? Please. Rhythm is something more than being able to dance or move. It's something that comes natural, a voice is an instrument and she has amazing control over her instrument.And Whitney started out in Church, Gospel is the source of all music. You know how much rhythm songs of Praise have? The walking bass from the organ alone.

ON TOPIC. I like Soulalive's set list, I would like to add "get on the floor"'to the setlist also.

To me, what you just described is definitely "soul". Soul is definitely a feeling that is undescribable. It reaches within the depths of your inner being. Whitney had that kind of voice. Hell, Mariah has that kind of voice, but all are lacking in the rhythm department.
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Reply #75 posted 10/23/08 1:55pm

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Timmy84 said:

curioso said:



It doesn't matter if she wasn't a true R&B artist. I'm saying fans of true R&B were buying her music.
[Edited 10/23/08 13:32pm]
[Edited 10/23/08 13:35pm]


"True" R&B wasn't the kind of pop music that Lionel, Whitney, Diana and 'em were doing.

When rhythm and blues first emerged in 1949, if Whitney had emerged at that time, she wouldn't have been considered an R&B singer, she'll be consider like a pop singer. She wouldn't dare sing the songs in the style Lavern Baker and Ruth Brown were singing, which was always considered R&B. And R&B was initially another name for rock & roll.

And nothing about Whitney Houston was R&B or rock. Plus she was a forerunner of "contemporary R&B", which is actually pop music played by black artists with a smooth style or mixing hip-hop with pop-styled material.

It doesn't matter if black folks dug it, in the traditional term of what we would really consider R&B, Whitney was never that. She was always a crossover artist much like Michael became after "Thriller".
[Edited 10/23/08 13:45pm]


Excellent post.
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Reply #76 posted 10/23/08 1:57pm

Timmy84

shesoffthewall said:

daPrettyman said:


Soul....maybe, but rhythm? Have you seen her dance videos?



falloff Well I still stand by the soul statement. biggrin


You know what some of Whitney's strongest critics then called her in the eighties?

"The prom queen of soul"... now if that ain't saying she's pop, I don't know what is.

And remember when she got booed at the Soul Train Awards? lol Some say this is when her life and career changed forever, because that's when she met Bobby Brown. evillol
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Reply #77 posted 10/23/08 1:57pm

shesoffthewall

Timmy84 said:

shesoffthewall said:



Don't forget about the gay audience, it ain't just the females that get catered to. Just ask Cher, Madonna and Janet that. lol


Surprisingly, gay audiences are very DIVERSE. There's one group that likes the traditional pop stuff of artists like Johnny Ray and Judy Garland, other gay audiences will go for the divas, other gay audiences will just wanna dance, other gay audiences love soul music, rock music, heavy metal, hip-hop (YES HIP-HOP) and others.

I'm sure other than Andy that there are more gay folks that probably can't STAND Whitney but will listen to P-Funk. lol


The same can be said for the female audiences then. That's really the point here, we shouldn't get caught up in generalizing. Not all women are into the same types of music either.
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Reply #78 posted 10/23/08 1:57pm

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Timmy84 said:

shesoffthewall said:



No eek

Have you heard "The Preacher's Wife" Soundtrack? Even diehard gospel fans bump the hell outta that album. lol


She's the pop version of Aretha and Mahalia. wink

lol

lol
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Reply #79 posted 10/23/08 1:59pm

shesoffthewall

Timmy84 said:

shesoffthewall said:



No eek

Have you heard "The Preacher's Wife" Soundtrack? Even diehard gospel fans bump the hell outta that album. lol


She's the pop version of Aretha and Mahalia. wink

lol


lol Now that's better.
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Reply #80 posted 10/23/08 2:00pm

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vainandy said:



Yeah, but while Dionne was making her type of music, it wasn't really influencing droves of other artists to follow suit. Lionel Richie was another one but for every "Truly" type song he made, five Cameo/Barkays/Rick James type songs were being made.

When Shitney came along, it was after "Thriller" had been huge. There had been crossover stuff before but never as huge as that album. It was like nothing the world had ever seen before. There were black people listening to it. There were white people listening to it. Michael was a nice "safe" young black artist also so many mothers and grandmothers (especially white ones) didn't feel threatened by their children listening to his music. I'm sure Shitney's writers and producers were taking notice of all this prior to recording her album and thinking....."Hey, what if we could take that pop sound, give it to another "safe" black artist, and water it down even more so that not only would the white mothers and grandmothers not feel threatened by it, but they would actually like the music themselves. Just imagine the sales!".....and when little miss goodie two shoes actually delivered huge sales, they knew they had a winning formula. Other artists started taking notice of that formula also.
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You are so right. When Arista hit big with Narada Michael Walden's productions/songs, they used that formula for a while. Whitney and Aretha were his pet projects for a long time.


Speaking of Narada Michael Walden, if you notice, before the success of "Thriller", he was producing Stacy Lattisaw. He seemed to be concerned with having a moderately successful R&B hit and if the pop audience liked it, that was fine, but he didn't lose any sleep over them not liking it.

Just picture Shitney trying to do funky jams like Stacy's "Dynamite" or "Feel My Love Tonight". She's never done anything like that and I don't think she's capable of doing something like that because she has no rhythm.
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Reply #81 posted 10/23/08 2:01pm

Timmy84

shesoffthewall said:

Timmy84 said:



Surprisingly, gay audiences are very DIVERSE. There's one group that likes the traditional pop stuff of artists like Johnny Ray and Judy Garland, other gay audiences will go for the divas, other gay audiences will just wanna dance, other gay audiences love soul music, rock music, heavy metal, hip-hop (YES HIP-HOP) and others.

I'm sure other than Andy that there are more gay folks that probably can't STAND Whitney but will listen to P-Funk. lol


The same can be said for the female audiences then. That's really the point here, we shouldn't get caught up in generalizing. Not all women are into the same types of music either.


Yeah I know. lol

I'm just saying that there was obviously people who weren't all into artists that some think we should like immediately. Like I'm at the age group (18-25) where I should dig commercial hip-hop and contemporary R&B and my styles have changed to more old school stuff and also rock music and alternative music of all sorts so I definitely don't fit the groups I supposedly follow in via stereotypes.
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Reply #82 posted 10/23/08 2:05pm

curioso

Timmy84 said:

curioso said:



Everything you said is true but what I'm saying is her initial succes came from 'You Give Good Love' charting at no 3 on the Billboard R&B Charts. What type of people were buying her music for it to go to no 3?


We play our artists first but Clive Davis wanted to make sure she had a pop audience. He even told her to skip black radio stations and be interviewed by just white radio stations. He even told her that the cover of her album was too ethnic and that if she had been allowed to release "Saving All My Love" in the version she initially recorded, she'll get "unfair comparisons" to "Queen of Soul" Aretha Franklin. So crossover was inevitable. "You Give Good Love" was still a crossover record and that paved the way for "Saving All My Love" which hit number-one and started her streak. Yes black audiences will play her first but white audiences who saw Whitney embraced her more than we did. In fact, in the time when Whitney was arriving, we had Anita Baker and Freddie Jackson and post-1986 Luther Vandross, all of them decided to Whitney/Michael-ized their music to appeal to all audiences, Luther being the most successful.


Basically, I'm saying black folk were buying this watered down version of R&B.
Not every black artist was making this watered down version of R&B.
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Reply #83 posted 10/23/08 2:05pm

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Timmy84 said:

shesoffthewall said:



Don't forget about the gay audience, it ain't just the females that get catered to. Just ask Cher, Madonna and Janet that. lol


Surprisingly, gay audiences are very DIVERSE. There's one group that likes the traditional pop stuff of artists like Johnny Ray and Judy Garland, other gay audiences will go for the divas, other gay audiences will just wanna dance, other gay audiences love soul music, rock music, heavy metal,


Very true.


I'm sure other than Andy that there are more gay folks that probably can't STAND Whitney but will listen to P-Funk. lol


True also.

hip-hop (YES HIP-HOP) and others.


Unfortunately, these days, VERY true. That's why I stay my ass at home these days. lol
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Reply #84 posted 10/23/08 2:06pm

shesoffthewall

Timmy84 said:

shesoffthewall said:




falloff Well I still stand by the soul statement. biggrin


You know what some of Whitney's strongest critics then called her in the eighties?

"The prom queen of soul"... now if that ain't saying she's pop, I don't know what is.

And remember when she got booed at the Soul Train Awards? lol Some say this is when her life and career changed forever, because that's when she met Bobby Brown. evillol


Oh no, believe me I know she's POP, I never stated that she wasn't. That's why I compared her to black female artists that were doing it before her ala Donna Summer, Diana and Dionne Warwick. They already had that ball rolling she just picked it up and ran with it.

I still have the 1989 Soul Train Awards on VHS believe it or not. lol And yes I remember that incident. It was after that that she ran to LA and Babyface to produce her next album, "I'm Your Baby Tonight." It became her least successful album at that time and considered by the pop audience as a disappointment, only because it appealed more to the R&B audience.
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Reply #85 posted 10/23/08 2:08pm

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shesoffthewall said:

Timmy84 said:



Surprisingly, gay audiences are very DIVERSE. There's one group that likes the traditional pop stuff of artists like Johnny Ray and Judy Garland, other gay audiences will go for the divas, other gay audiences will just wanna dance, other gay audiences love soul music, rock music, heavy metal, hip-hop (YES HIP-HOP) and others.

I'm sure other than Andy that there are more gay folks that probably can't STAND Whitney but will listen to P-Funk. lol


The same can be said for the female audiences then. That's really the point here, we shouldn't get caught up in generalizing. Not all women are into the same types of music either.


Oh, there are always exceptions to every group of people. But that still doesn't change the fact that there are pussy whipped men who will do whatever their girlfriends want whether it's something they, themselves, like or not. lol
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Reply #86 posted 10/23/08 2:14pm

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shesoffthewall said:

Timmy84 said:



You know what some of Whitney's strongest critics then called her in the eighties?

"The prom queen of soul"... now if that ain't saying she's pop, I don't know what is.

And remember when she got booed at the Soul Train Awards? lol Some say this is when her life and career changed forever, because that's when she met Bobby Brown. evillol


Oh no, believe me I know she's POP, I never stated that she wasn't. That's why I compared her to black female artists that were doing it before her ala Donna Summer, Diana and Dionne Warwick. They already had that ball rolling she just picked it up and ran with it.


Wait a minute. Donna Summer? Oh hell naw! She's FAR from Donna Summer. Donna's songs were fast and full of rhythm. Donna also dressed up like a hooker and had a sexy image for awhile. Little miss goodie good came out telling folks she was a virgin and a good little girl.

I still have the 1989 Soul Train Awards on VHS believe it or not. lol And yes I remember that incident. It was after that that she ran to LA and Babyface to produce her next album, "I'm Your Baby Tonight." It became her least successful album at that time and considered by the pop audience as a disappointment, only because it appealed more to the R&B audience.


Oh how I wish I had watched it. I didn't watch it that night because I knew that she and others like her would probably dominate the show and bore me. If I had previously known what was going to happen, I wouldn't have missed that show for the WORLD! lol
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Reply #87 posted 10/23/08 2:20pm

Timmy84

shesoffthewall said:

Timmy84 said:



You know what some of Whitney's strongest critics then called her in the eighties?

"The prom queen of soul"... now if that ain't saying she's pop, I don't know what is.

And remember when she got booed at the Soul Train Awards? lol Some say this is when her life and career changed forever, because that's when she met Bobby Brown. evillol


Oh no, believe me I know she's POP, I never stated that she wasn't. That's why I compared her to black female artists that were doing it before her ala Donna Summer, Diana and Dionne Warwick. They already had that ball rolling she just picked it up and ran with it.

I still have the 1989 Soul Train Awards on VHS believe it or not. lol And yes I remember that incident. It was after that that she ran to LA and Babyface to produce her next album, "I'm Your Baby Tonight." It became her least successful album at that time and considered by the pop audience as a disappointment, only because it appealed more to the R&B audience.


Ain't that odd? lol And unfortunately for Whitney, she struggled between wanting to be a "crossover artist" and then trying to figure out what her supposed main audience was into. She never knew what she wanted in her career.

I would say Michael is in that same struggle since he's ages away from the soul music wunderkind that turned Motown and some Philadelphia International joints into gold and the boy wonder that created "Off the Wall".

Take it back to Michael and a supposed "Thriller world tour", I agree that he may not have had taken part in it because he would've been criticized for not doing another tour with his brothers. But what people don't realize is that the Jacksons (as Jackie, Tito, Marlon, Michael and Randy) disbanded in 1981. Every other Jackson family project was a reunion of sorts. "Victory" was a Jacksons reunion album, lol.
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Reply #88 posted 10/23/08 2:22pm

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Wait a minute. Donna Summer? Oh hell naw! She's FAR from Donna Summer. Donna's songs were fast and full of rhythm. Donna also dressed up like a hooker and had a sexy image for awhile. Little miss goodie good came out telling folks she was a virgin and a good little girl.

I still have the 1989 Soul Train Awards on VHS believe it or not. lol And yes I remember that incident. It was after that that she ran to LA and Babyface to produce her next album, "I'm Your Baby Tonight." It became her least successful album at that time and considered by the pop audience as a disappointment, only because it appealed more to the R&B audience.


Oh how I wish I had watched it. I didn't watch it that night because I knew that she and others like her would probably dominate the show and bore me. If I had previously known what was going to happen, I wouldn't have missed that show for the WORLD! lol


With Donna I was mainly speaking in terms of appealing largely to the white (pop) audience. She was a pop artist herself and she had no shame in it. She could care less to cater to the blacks. Atleast Whitney sat her ass at Soul Train Awards show, amongst other black award events. Even Diana will show up to the BET Awards, but I have yet to see Donna even caring to show up to events like that. lol

Anita Baker and Michael dominated that show that year when Whitney got boo'd.
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Reply #89 posted 10/23/08 2:26pm

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Wait a minute. Donna Summer? Oh hell naw! She's FAR from Donna Summer. Donna's songs were fast and full of rhythm. Donna also dressed up like a hooker and had a sexy image for awhile. Little miss goodie good came out telling folks she was a virgin and a good little girl.

I still have the 1989 Soul Train Awards on VHS believe it or not. lol And yes I remember that incident. It was after that that she ran to LA and Babyface to produce her next album, "I'm Your Baby Tonight." It became her least successful album at that time and considered by the pop audience as a disappointment, only because it appealed more to the R&B audience.


Oh how I wish I had watched it. I didn't watch it that night because I knew that she and others like her would probably dominate the show and bore me. If I had previously known what was going to happen, I wouldn't have missed that show for the WORLD! lol


Donna was crossover in a good way anyway, she didn't whitebread her shit. lol

That's mainly why Whitney got booed. lol I was only five when the incident with Whitney occurred but if I could remember, the boos were too much that Whitney tried to say something and then said "thank you", she looked on the verge of tears and then she either ran or walked off stage. It was embarrassing for her.
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