Just wanted to post a picture of a classic ARP synthesizer on this thread. It's the 2600.

TotalAlisa said:

Mariah is stuck in a web, she has been doing music for 16 year olds for the last 12 years, some OK songs but for the most part, nothing of value, and she isnt maturing at all. Janet is stuck in another web of having the same theme over and over, the theme of "im janet im sexy im a victim" self indulgent songs over and over with a few OK songs but for the most part her last 3 albums are forgettable.

As for "get educated" im talking on how you judge artists and age and all that stuff. I dont judge that way, i dont judge or buy music by charts, never have and never will. A good song is a good song, whether it sells to everyone or to no one, plain and simple, thats what im talking about being "educated" on.

And actually Nicole is close to my age, and the song in question is not a song for 12 year olds, in fact none of the songs on the album are, but im not going to even debate on that issue. As for supporting Nicole, i will always, and have since 1997 when i met her singing back up for the group "Days of the new", and i will support her whether she is singing for PCD or singing in a train station for passengers. I also will also give her my opinions on what i think, and i did say that songs with TI and WILL I AM were not good, and said it on this forum more than once, but that is what the label wanted her to do, and they hired ti and will i am to give her those songs. And like i said back then her song with STING "Powers out" was the song to release and what type of song she should be doing and sure enough that song got sold to a commercial for revlon for 1.5 million in endorsements and will be on his upcoming album.

And for PCD its a good album, some good songs that i like alot and a few i dont like, case closed, just a freakin pop record, sorry u dont like it or them but hey its a free country, but im not going to discount an artist because of their age, or race or whatever. If thats how you think then so be it. But if you want to broaden your horizons of artists than i suggest not thinking that way.

lastdecember said:

Yes and when i was 11-16 i loved mariah. and i probably would have loved the PCD.

You like PCD but harsh on older artist like mariah and janet. If nicole is near your age than she is close to janets and mariah's so why is it okay for nicole to sing that pop crap that will be forgotten in five minutes???

TotalAlisa said:

First of all the song in this thread "i hate this part" is a good song, very good actually and is not POP CRAP as you dubbed it. What is pop crap is a song like "touch my body" and most of the songs on the last 3 albums of her and janet. Im not giving them passes because they are "veterans" and been around longer, Mariah has never gone anywhere but down as an artist doing shitty songs and singles because that is what sells to the audience she wants, Mariah would never in her dreams be able to do a song with STING, but Nicole did, why? Mariah surely has the clout to get a duet that is an "artistic growth", but she chooses not to grow as an artist so she will continue to do garbage like "touch my body" over and over.

lastdecember said:

i guess their song "when i grow up" is a "good song"

I KNOW you like Nicole. but be honest.

TotalAlisa said:

Well its an ok song i can take it or leave it, and also I WAS THE ONE that pointed out that the second single with Missy Elliot was NOT a good song, (you see i judge good and bad) and also if i want an opinion on someones music im going to ask a fan of the artist not someone that already hates a person, that would be just stupid.

And for the record if you want to see how i judge good and bad on NICOLE heres the list of her songs with PCD .



Dont Cha ok song
Buttons one of their best, especially the original
StickwithU ok song
Beep dont like it (will i am SUCKS)
Wait a Minute ok song ( timbaland sucks though)
I dont need a man remix version better
Flirt one of their best songs
Bite the dust good song
Hot Stuff Cover song, good version
Right Now Standard song, classic
Tainted love cover song good version
Feelin Good Classic song, cover version, best vocal yet
Sway the song that got nicole in the group

When I grow up ok song
Bottle Pop Great song
Whatcha thinnk bout that dont like it
I hate this part nicoles best vocal
Takin over ok song
Out of this club really good song
Whos gonna love you ok song
Happily Never after great ballad love song (too bad mariah cant do this)
Magic ok
Halo not crazy about this one
In person one of the best they have done as a group
Elevator dont like it
Hush Hush great ballad GROWN UP (too bad mariah cant grow up)
Love the way you love me pretty good
Whatchamacallit excellent song
Lights camera action good song, with the new kids
Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps classic style great song


Well thats it from her fan and friend, judging HONESTLY good and bad in my opinion. And from what i see mostly on this forum are people almost never criticizing their artists songs, i see them blame labels, blame promotion, blame the economy, blame their boyfriends. So it is what it is. you dont like em then move on. This is what Nicole is doing now, so i listen to what she does now and judge it for what it is to me, i could care less what it means to anyone else, why would i? other peoples views mean zero, and they should mean zero, judge for yourself about anything in life dont be a slave to what others think or buy or believe in.