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Reply #60 posted 10/20/08 9:09am

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midnightmover said:


I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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pointing out that she used pre-recorded vocals during her show is like a waste of time imo, i mean who dont know that? what you seem to have a problem realizing is that janet's FANS dont really care if she cries on que or if its not 100% live, she is a great performer and most of us love to watch her perform all those hits and we go to the show and have a good time. i guess i just dont take my pop stars as serious as some of you, i've been to every janet tour and i have never been disappointed and from the sounds of the people who have actually gone to the show and not just watch clips on youtube and read reviews, nobody seem to be disappointed with this show. i cant wait to see the show at the garden



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Reply #61 posted 10/20/08 9:33am

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For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?
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Reply #62 posted 10/20/08 9:50am

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I realise that perfectly well, but reviews are not written for fans. They're written for the general public, who may only have a passing interest in the artist and just want to get an objective picture of what went down. Therefore, reviewers should try not to let their adulation cloud their objectivity. But this guy was writing for a gay magazine so I guess adulation is pretty much compulsory in those circumstances.


to be fair shouldnt reviewers also not let their dislike for the artists cloud their objectivity? a review is only that person's opinion so if one person loved the show and the other didnt thats just 2 different opinions,it dont make any of them right or wrong

Well, he gave her credit for being in good shape, and also said the music was mostly great. He thought the more recent songs compared unfavourably to the older stuff, but most people think that.
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Reply #63 posted 10/20/08 9:58am

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pointing out that she used pre-recorded vocals during her show is like a waste of time imo, i mean who dont know that? what you seem to have a problem realizing is that janet's FANS dont really care if she cries on que or if its not 100% live, she is a great performer and most of us love to watch her perform all those hits and we go to the show and have a good time. i guess i just dont take my pop stars as serious as some of you, i've been to every janet tour and i have never been disappointed and from the sounds of the people who have actually gone to the show and not just watch clips on youtube and read reviews, nobody seem to be disappointed with this show. i cant wait to see the show at the garden



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now i wish i woulda caught her at the izod but i always go to the garden shows, i just hope she dont cancel no more shows
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Reply #64 posted 10/20/08 10:00am

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For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?

the intro to the section with all for you and runway...

the guy on the catwalk during disicipline

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Reply #65 posted 10/20/08 10:04am

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JackieBlue said:

For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


My favorite seg is this

So Excited
So Much Betta
Nasty
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Rock With U
Together Again
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Reply #66 posted 10/20/08 10:06am

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banks said:




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now i wish i woulda caught her at the izod but i always go to the garden shows, i just hope she dont cancel no more shows



It was a great night at The Izod, but even though i bought those tickets first i always catch Janet at MSG.. It's just a diffrent vibe in Garden
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Reply #67 posted 10/20/08 10:10am

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I must admit the Discipline portion was pretty hot. Especially since the guy she pulled up wasn’t bad looking either. razz

I liked the clip of Dave Navarro for Black Cat. I know most people think he’s gross but there’s something about him so that was a pleasant surprise.
So Much Betta, Rock With U, All Night which I think has replaced If as my all time favorite concert song, and I Get So Lonely were stand outs.
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Reply #68 posted 10/20/08 10:20am

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For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


The highlight for me was when she performed a few songs from her first two albums and said "this is for all of my true fans!"

Also, when she had the segment which was an ode to the 80's breakdancing/graffiti. Nothing but pure dance songs, as someone mentioned already:

So Excited
So Much Betta
Nasty
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Rock With U
Together Again

I also got a high off of the Rhythm Nation songs. I can't choose just one highlight as you can see. lol

And when Q-Tip showed up on the screen during "Got Til It's Gone." razz
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Reply #69 posted 10/20/08 10:31am

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shesoffthewall said:

JackieBlue said:

For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


The highlight for me was when she performed a few songs from her first two albums and said "this is for all of my true fans!"

Also, when she had the segment which was an ode to the 80's breakdancing/graffiti. Nothing but pure dance songs, as someone mentioned already:

So Excited
So Much Betta
Nasty
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Rock With U
Together Again

I also got a high off of the Rhythm Nation songs. I can't choose just one highlight as you can see. lol

And when Q-Tip showed up on the screen during "Got Til It's Gone." razz
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That was a fav of mine too, the only reason i didn't pick that seg is because it was too short
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Reply #70 posted 10/20/08 10:33am

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shesoffthewall said:

JackieBlue said:

For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


The highlight for me was when she performed a few songs from her first two albums and said "this is for all of my true fans!"

Also, when she had the segment which was an ode to the 80's breakdancing/graffiti. Nothing but pure dance songs, as someone mentioned already:

So Excited
So Much Betta
Nasty
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Rock With U
Together Again

I also got a high off of the Rhythm Nation songs. I can't choose just one highlight as you can see. lol

And when Q-Tip showed up on the screen during "Got Til It's Gone." razz
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I really liked hearing the old stuff. My only complaint was I wanted her to do the whole song, not a portion especially the break down for Say You Do. I liked seeing Q-Tip too. I was not a fan of So Excited but I liked it during the show and it worked well with the other songs.
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Reply #71 posted 10/20/08 10:37am

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I must admit the Discipline portion was pretty hot. Especially since the guy she pulled up wasn’t bad looking either. razz

I liked the clip of Dave Navarro for Black Cat. I know most people think he’s gross but there’s something about him so that was a pleasant surprise.
So Much Betta, Rock With U, All Night which I think has replaced If as my all time favorite concert song, and I Get So Lonely were stand outs.

i forgot about I Get So Lonely and All Night. they were great.
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Reply #72 posted 10/20/08 10:38am

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I must admit the Discipline portion was pretty hot. Especially since the guy she pulled up wasn’t bad looking either. razz

I liked the clip of Dave Navarro for Black Cat. I know most people think he’s gross but there’s something about him so that was a pleasant surprise.
So Much Betta, Rock With U, All Night which I think has replaced If as my all time favorite concert song, and I Get So Lonely were stand outs.

i didn't even watch janet during discipline the one of her dancers was on teh front part of the catwalk grinding into the stage and it was HOT!!!
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Reply #73 posted 10/29/08 1:11pm

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had to put this thread back near the top after seeing the Detroit show last night. i concur with this review!
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Reply #74 posted 10/29/08 1:14pm

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Video from Fox News in DC about her show last night:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/my...cale=EN-US

Also, they say she's cut out kissing the fan when she brings them onstage. Smart! When I saw her in Oakland I swear she put her tongue in his mouth. eek
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No kidding.

BTW that gold costume is terrible.
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #75 posted 10/29/08 2:26pm

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dag said:

shesoffthewall said:

Video from Fox News in DC about her show last night:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/my...cale=EN-US

Also, they say she's cut out kissing the fan when she brings them onstage. Smart! When I saw her in Oakland I swear she put her tongue in his mouth. eek
[Edited 10/16/08 21:30pm]

No kidding.

BTW that gold costume is terrible.
[Edited 10/29/08 13:15pm]


It always makes me think of footie pajamas. lol
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Reply #76 posted 10/29/08 3:25pm

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really enjoyed All Nite, Got Til Its Gone, I Get Lonely, Love Will Never Do, Miss U Much, So Much Betta (surprisingly), & the pre-Control trio medley

overall i thought it was a really good show, i was pleased with the modifications, new dance routines sprinkled in and set design.

The Discipline segment was omitted at the Detroit show due to a state ordinance. What other songs were included, because Discipline is my least fave ballad from her ever. BTW, today's paper (Det. news) gave the show a pretty bad review too, a D+

Least memorable set of dancers she's ever had though. The b-boy from NY had mad skillz tho
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Reply #77 posted 10/29/08 3:33pm

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datdude said:

really enjoyed All Nite, Got Til Its Gone, I Get Lonely, Love Will Never Do, Miss U Much, So Much Betta (surprisingly), & the pre-Control trio medley

overall i thought it was a really good show, i was pleased with the modifications, new dance routines sprinkled in and set design.

The Discipline segment was omitted at the [b]Detroit show due to a state ordinance.[/b] What other songs were included, because Discipline is my least fave ballad from her ever. BTW, today's paper (Det. news) gave the show a pretty bad review too, a D+

Least memorable set of dancers she's ever had though. The b-boy from NY had mad skillz tho


What does this mean?
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Reply #78 posted 10/29/08 3:37pm

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JackieBlue said:

datdude said:

really enjoyed All Nite, Got Til Its Gone, I Get Lonely, Love Will Never Do, Miss U Much, So Much Betta (surprisingly), & the pre-Control trio medley

overall i thought it was a really good show, i was pleased with the modifications, new dance routines sprinkled in and set design.

The Discipline segment was omitted at the [b]Detroit show due to a state ordinance.[/b] What other songs were included, because Discipline is my least fave ballad from her ever. BTW, today's paper (Det. news) gave the show a pretty bad review too, a D+

Least memorable set of dancers she's ever had though. The b-boy from NY had mad skillz tho


What does this mean?


"I'm getting too old for this bullshit."
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Reply #79 posted 10/29/08 3:39pm

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Timmy84 said:

JackieBlue said:



What does this mean?


"I'm getting too old for this bullshit."


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Reply #80 posted 10/29/08 5:16pm

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JackieBlue said:

For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


1. "So Excited"
- The turning point for the concert. She kicked the energy level up to max on this song and broke the handle off. I'm not even going to lie like "So Excited" isn't the song I have been listening to most from Janet for the past few months and that it isn't one of my favorite JJ singles of this decade...clearly I was anticipating it. Honestly, she and her dancers worked this one out and, in a stadium setting, the song comes alive. Loved it! Definitely *the* highlight (as was the hip-hop section of the show).
2. "All For You"
- The song that the audience seemed to be into the most (considering this was her last massive hit, it makes sense), and to look around and see everyone getting down to it was magical. The choreography was well executed and, like "So Excited", it sounds very, very good live. I loved that she used the SuperBowl mix. This was another song I was anticipating.
3. "Together Again"
- I shed a couple tears. This song means a lot to me as well as a bunch of other people. I wasn't quite feeling the theming but her behind was certainly on-point thumbs up!.
4. "I Get Lonely"
- Period. The only thing missing was the bra.
5. "The Pleasure Principle"
- Great opening. She certainly took into account (the singles) her fans like best.

Honorable Mentions..."If", "That's The Way Love Goes", "Call On Me" (the performance made me like this song so much more).

Slight Disappointments (no particular order):
1. "Got Til It's Gone"
- As my favorite song of all time, I loved seeing Q-Tip on the screen and seeing how Janet would fit a theme with the song. However, for being a song with such an incredible simmering and slow-burning energy, she seemed kind of bored with it. I think I wanted to see this one too much.
2. "Rock With U"
- I don't know...it was great and all but this song probably suffered the most from not being performed with a live band. I'm sure it would have amped it up so much more. I liked "So Excited" and "All Nite" a bit more.
3. "You Want This"
- I can't believe she only performed a hot minute of this song. Nice segue into "Feedback" but I was hurt that she only delivered a taste of a song she hasn't performed since the Janet. Tour.

I saw the concert in Dallas, BTW.

I still think she could have excised the Janet Jackson/Dream Street section and put in some fan-favorite NON-singles instead. I guess we'll never hear "SloLove", "Strawberry Bounce", "The Body That Loves You", "Empty" and "My Need" live sad
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Reply #81 posted 10/29/08 5:41pm

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soul4thought said:

JackieBlue said:

For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


1. "So Excited"
- The turning point for the concert. She kicked the energy level up to max on this song and broke the handle off. I'm not even going to lie like "So Excited" isn't the song I have been listening to most from Janet for the past few months and that it isn't one of my favorite JJ singles of this decade...clearly I was anticipating it. Honestly, she and her dancers worked this one out and, in a stadium setting, the song comes alive. Loved it! Definitely *the* highlight (as was the hip-hop section of the show).


Yeah, I think I can actually listen to this song now especially now since i have good memories.


2. "All For You"
- The song that the audience seemed to be into the most (considering this was her last massive hit, it makes sense), and to look around and see everyone getting down to it was magical. The choreography was well executed and, like "So Excited", it sounds very, very good live. I loved that she used the SuperBowl mix. This was another song I was anticipating.


This is such a happy feel good song to me and I also thought the crowd really enjoyed it.


4. "I Get Lonely"
- Period. The only thing missing was the bra.


lol This is the same thing I said to my friend. Never thought the fashion choice would be so important to that song later on.

She definitely could have done SloLove or 2Night (that's my jam).
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Reply #82 posted 10/30/08 12:28pm

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So what's all this about Janet playing to a crowd of 8,000 in Detroit in a 21,000 capacity arena?
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Reply #83 posted 10/30/08 12:34pm

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Ellie said:

So what's all this about Janet playing to a crowd of 8,000 in Detroit in a 21,000 capacity arena?


I read about that too. She also cut Discipline out. I wonder what she does in place of it or do they just skip over it. That’s a pretty long (hot) segment of the show and those fans have no clue. neutral
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Reply #84 posted 10/30/08 12:46pm

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soul4thought said:

JackieBlue said:

For those that saw Janet, what was the highlight?


1. "So Excited"
- The turning point for the concert. She kicked the energy level up to max on this song and broke the handle off. I'm not even going to lie like "So Excited" isn't the song I have been listening to most from Janet for the past few months and that it isn't one of my favorite JJ singles of this decade...clearly I was anticipating it. Honestly, she and her dancers worked this one out and, in a stadium setting, the song comes alive. Loved it! Definitely *the* highlight (as was the hip-hop section of the show).
2. "All For You"
- The song that the audience seemed to be into the most (considering this was her last massive hit, it makes sense), and to look around and see everyone getting down to it was magical. The choreography was well executed and, like "So Excited", it sounds very, very good live. I loved that she used the SuperBowl mix. This was another song I was anticipating.
3. "Together Again"
- I shed a couple tears. This song means a lot to me as well as a bunch of other people. I wasn't quite feeling the theming but her behind was certainly on-point thumbs up!.
4. "I Get Lonely"
- Period. The only thing missing was the bra.
5. "The Pleasure Principle"
- Great opening. She certainly took into account (the singles) her fans like best.

Honorable Mentions..."If", "That's The Way Love Goes", "Call On Me" (the performance made me like this song so much more).

Slight Disappointments (no particular order):
1. "Got Til It's Gone"
- As my favorite song of all time, I loved seeing Q-Tip on the screen and seeing how Janet would fit a theme with the song. However, for being a song with such an incredible simmering and slow-burning energy, she seemed kind of bored with it. I think I wanted to see this one too much.
2. "Rock With U"
- I don't know...it was great and all but this song probably suffered the most from not being performed with a live band. I'm sure it would have amped it up so much more. I liked "So Excited" and "All Nite" a bit more.
3. "You Want This"
- I can't believe she only performed a hot minute of this song. Nice segue into "Feedback" but I was hurt that she only delivered a taste of a song she hasn't performed since the Janet. Tour.

I saw the concert in Dallas, BTW.

I still think she could have excised the Janet Jackson/Dream Street section and put in some fan-favorite NON-singles instead. I guess we'll never hear "SloLove", "Strawberry Bounce", "The Body That Loves You", "Empty" and "My Need" live sad
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Mine too!!! EVER!!!

I agree - i would love to see it performed with the rhythmn track but with a full funky band - live bass, keys, add some live percussion on top.
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Reply #85 posted 10/30/08 12:56pm

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So what's all this about Janet playing to a crowd of 8,000 in Detroit in a 21,000 capacity arena?


21.000 is like the max number, I seriously doubt 21,000 tickets went on sale to the public (nobody does that unless your using a centered stage).. take away seat for the stage and etc. the best way to figure out sales is to look at the billborad boxscore ans see how many tickets sold, from the tickets that were made avaibale. also I am sure people did get refunds when she canlled and reseduacled, I am sure she losts some sales form that too.
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Reply #86 posted 10/30/08 12:58pm

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Take away seats at the side for the stage, but surely all the floor seats make up for that compared to sports games.
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Reply #87 posted 10/30/08 1:03pm

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So what's all this about Janet playing to a crowd of 8,000 in Detroit in a 21,000 capacity arena?

Sounds like the publicity from her illness didn't have the desired effect. As for that latest review giving her show a D+, I say ban all straight men from reviewing her. That'll soon get her grade point average up.
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Reply #88 posted 10/30/08 1:04pm

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I wish she cut out the "Discipline" segment when I saw her. She doesn't need it, it's so played out by now. She's been doing that type of segment since the janet. tour back in 93'. confused
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Reply #89 posted 10/30/08 1:10pm

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I wish she cut out the "Discipline" segment when I saw her. She doesn't need it, it's so played out by now. She's been doing that type of segment since the janet. tour back in 93'. confused


Honestly, I felt the exact same way. My friend and I could not believe she was still pulling guys out of the audience and we were very ho hum through the first half of it. We got into during the second half because of the guy and the folks in our section made it fun but you’re right, overall it’s quite played.

I think she and the girls spent entirely too much time ‘picking’ a guy. It felt like 20 minutes of them walking around with their finger in their mouth. The segment could have been better if at least one dancer was actually appealing. lol
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