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Reply #30 posted 10/17/08 8:25pm

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mynameisnotsusan said:



Well, taste is one thing and I respect both Janet and Madonna for the amazing careers they've had, but the least credible aspects of both their careers has been their live performances.


well the person who wrote that review feel that janet is the better performer and so do i,just because somebody has a different opinion dont mean they not credible.i happen to find madonna boring but i wont knock the people who think her shows are some kinda amazing groundbreaking experience

Yes, but that's like saying cow shit is better than dog shit.
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Reply #31 posted 10/17/08 8:43pm

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midnightmover said:

lowkey said:



well the person who wrote that review feel that janet is the better performer and so do i

Yes, but that's like saying cow shit is better than dog shit.


We'll that would be the most extreme way of putting it lol but forget the comparison. Just the statement "There is no one performing today...who can touch her live act" is seriously, in my opinion the most wrong thing I've read in a review ever.
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Reply #32 posted 10/17/08 8:47pm

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of course you enjoyed that review, i mean it was for the most part negative right. so when somebody give her a good review they are ass kissing and dishonest but a review that emphasised more than once that the crowd was 'less than capacity' is fair and unbiased? personally i dont read reviews good or bad,if its an artist that i like i'd rather go see for myself, if i dont like them then i dont need to read about their show.

I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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those people who give the negative review about janet could NOT put that tour together if they tried all their life

and he tried to mention her AGE in the review as if being 42 was bad. This guy obviously does NOT like janet jackson. I wish i could see what that person looks like it would give me an idea what type of person it is.
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Reply #33 posted 10/17/08 8:48pm

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lowkey said:

mynameisnotsusan said:



Well, taste is one thing and I respect both Janet and Madonna for the amazing careers they've had, but the least credible aspects of both their careers has been their live performances.


well the person who wrote that review feel that janet is the better performer and so do i,just because somebody has a different opinion dont mean they not credible.i happen to find madonna boring but i wont knock the people who think her shows are some kinda amazing groundbreaking experience

UM janet is a great performer, but be realistic she just got out of the hospital. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, BACK FLIPS and Spins around the stage.

She had to be easy on her body. Or else she might end back in the hospital.
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Reply #34 posted 10/17/08 9:11pm

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Wow, a fag rag gave a janet performance a positive review.

rolleyes

Bet they loved the latest Steisand release.
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Reply #35 posted 10/18/08 3:05am

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midnightmover said:

lowkey said:




of course you enjoyed that review, i mean it was for the most part negative right. so when somebody give her a good review they are ass kissing and dishonest but a review that emphasised more than once that the crowd was 'less than capacity' is fair and unbiased? personally i dont read reviews good or bad,if its an artist that i like i'd rather go see for myself, if i dont like them then i dont need to read about their show.

I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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Mimed.... bullshit I saw her tonight and Janet was singing more than i expected... and i've seen all of her tours... That review was right on the money... I was surprised that THERE WAS SO MUCH LIVE VOCALS...I was sixth row and i can say for a fact that she was mos def singing more than miming
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Reply #36 posted 10/18/08 6:50am

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midnightmover said:

lowkey said:



well the person who wrote that review feel that janet is the better performer and so do i,just because somebody has a different opinion dont mean they not credible.i happen to find madonna boring but i wont knock the people who think her shows are some kinda amazing groundbreaking experience

Yes, but that's like saying cow shit is better than dog shit.



Both these women are better than squeeky voiced rag doll 80's reject Cyndi Lauper whom you have such a boner for.
She didn't even write her best songs and her latest record was shit.
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Reply #37 posted 10/18/08 9:22am

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midnightmover said:


I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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Mimed.... bullshit I saw her tonight and Janet was singing more than i expected... and i've seen all of her tours... That review was right on the money... I was surprised that THERE WAS SO MUCH LIVE VOCALS...I was sixth row and i can say for a fact that she was mos def singing more than miming


It's apparent that the majority of the people that are claiming Janet mimed through her show are people that haven't seen her show. They don't know what the hell they're talking about.
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Reply #38 posted 10/18/08 9:24am

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shesoffthewall said:

banks said:




Mimed.... bullshit I saw her tonight and Janet was singing more than i expected... and i've seen all of her tours... That review was right on the money... I was surprised that THERE WAS SO MUCH LIVE VOCALS...I was sixth row and i can say for a fact that she was mos def singing more than miming


It's apparent that the majority of the people that are claiming Janet mimed through her show are people that haven't seen her show. They don't know what the hell they're talking about.

i saw her in San Diego and i'd say85% of the show was lypsynched. However that doesn't distract from the fact it's a great show.
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Reply #39 posted 10/18/08 10:36am

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I saw Janet last night in Jersey and she was incredible!!! I don't know how much of the show she sang live but whenever it was, she sounded great. The whole show was high energy and she was all over the stage and hearing her sing songs that I grew up to as a kid to now, I was like a pig in the mud! I've been blessed with seeing 2 of my favorite entertainers/artists in the last 2 Fridays, Prince and Janet, and I'm just too thrilled to be blessed to see these phenominal acts in my backyard. Everyone should be so lucky! biggrin biggrin biggrin
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Reply #40 posted 10/18/08 1:00pm

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purplecam said:

I saw Janet last night in Jersey and she was incredible!!! I don't know how much of the show she sang live but whenever it was, she sounded great. The whole show was high energy and she was all over the stage and hearing her sing songs that I grew up to as a kid to now, I was like a pig in the mud! I've been blessed with seeing 2 of my favorite entertainers/artists in the last 2 Fridays, Prince and Janet, and I'm just too thrilled to be blessed to see these phenominal acts in my backyard. Everyone should be so lucky! biggrin biggrin biggrin
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Hey purplecam. Sorry I didn't get to meet you. I barely made it to the show, thanks to a minor car accident. sad
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Reply #41 posted 10/18/08 3:15pm

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JackieBlue said:

purplecam said:

I saw Janet last night in Jersey and she was incredible!!! I don't know how much of the show she sang live but whenever it was, she sounded great. The whole show was high energy and she was all over the stage and hearing her sing songs that I grew up to as a kid to now, I was like a pig in the mud! I've been blessed with seeing 2 of my favorite entertainers/artists in the last 2 Fridays, Prince and Janet, and I'm just too thrilled to be blessed to see these phenominal acts in my backyard. Everyone should be so lucky! biggrin biggrin biggrin
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Hey purplecam. Sorry I didn't get to meet you. I barely made it to the show, thanks to a minor car accident. sad

Oh my goodness, I hope you are ok. I'm glad you made it to the show in spite of that. I'm sure we'll meet in the future. nod
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Reply #42 posted 10/19/08 7:25pm

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oh my god!

the janet show was absolutely incredible! everything about it was amazing, from the choreography to the setlist to the staging and concept...so well done! after seeing madonna last sunday at msg, it's hard not to compare the two shows when, after all, it's two of the biggest names in pop music and two similarly styled shows (ie, choreographed dancing, elaborate staging, costume changes, etc). all i can say it, quite honestly, by the middle of janet's show i was already more impressed than the entire madonna show (which was a blast, no doubt, and perfectly executed).

janet's entrance is so hot! pyrotechnics, smoke, and the pleasure principle! right into control and what have you done then into feedback. the show just kept giving, never ever a dull moment. i went with my sister who at one point yelled out to me, "i just can't sit down!" she wasn't lying, lol! neither one of us could sit, even during the ballads (which janet sang beautifully). there was so much happening at any one time that no matter where your seat, or where you looked on stage, you were wildly entertained.

people have already discussed the setlist and costumes, etc so i won't waste that time. all i'll say is i hope janet really does reschedule philly because my sister and i are hoping to catch the show again. with so much happening, we're sure we missed some stuff and we'd both love to see it from the center floor regardless of how much tickets will run us.

i haven't read a lot of the reviews from papers but i will say any criticism regarding the new material seems to be coming from a bias that simply favors her old stuff...don't stop, call on me, luv, rock with u...they were all amazing on friday night. unlike madonna's, there was no portion of janet's show that i thought was out of place or too long or too self indulgent. her 2+ hour long show ended in what seemed like no time and i think most fans were left completely satisfied. i rarely go to see pop shows like this more than once because they are so set in their act with no room for alterations. that said, i'll see this show in philly if she does reschedule. it was just too good to be over already.

thanks to janet for a great night out!
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Reply #43 posted 10/19/08 8:30pm

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oh my god!

the janet show was absolutely incredible! everything about it was amazing, from the choreography to the setlist to the staging and concept...so well done! after seeing madonna last sunday at msg, it's hard not to compare the two shows when, after all, it's two of the biggest names in pop music and two similarly styled shows (ie, choreographed dancing, elaborate staging, costume changes, etc). all i can say it, quite honestly, by the middle of janet's show i was already more impressed than the entire madonna show (which was a blast, no doubt, and perfectly executed).

janet's entrance is so hot! pyrotechnics, smoke, and the pleasure principle! right into control and what have you done then into feedback. the show just kept giving, never ever a dull moment. i went with my sister who at one point yelled out to me, "i just can't sit down!" she wasn't lying, lol! neither one of us could sit, even during the ballads (which janet sang beautifully). there was so much happening at any one time that no matter where your seat, or where you looked on stage, you were wildly entertained.

people have already discussed the setlist and costumes, etc so i won't waste that time. all i'll say is i hope janet really does reschedule philly because my sister and i are hoping to catch the show again. with so much happening, we're sure we missed some stuff and we'd both love to see it from the center floor regardless of how much tickets will run us.

i haven't read a lot of the reviews from papers but i will say any criticism regarding the new material seems to be coming from a bias that simply favors her old stuff...don't stop, call on me, luv, rock with u...they were all amazing on friday night. unlike madonna's, there was no portion of janet's show that i thought was out of place or too long or too self indulgent. her 2+ hour long show ended in what seemed like no time and i think most fans were left completely satisfied. i rarely go to see pop shows like this more than once because they are so set in their act with no room for alterations. that said, i'll see this show in philly if she does reschedule. it was just too good to be over already.

thanks to janet for a great night out!



I'm curious, what did you find out of place at Madonna's show?
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Reply #44 posted 10/19/08 8:41pm

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JackieBlue said:

sassybritches said:

oh my god!

the janet show was absolutely incredible! everything about it was amazing, from the choreography to the setlist to the staging and concept...so well done! after seeing madonna last sunday at msg, it's hard not to compare the two shows when, after all, it's two of the biggest names in pop music and two similarly styled shows (ie, choreographed dancing, elaborate staging, costume changes, etc). all i can say it, quite honestly, by the middle of janet's show i was already more impressed than the entire madonna show (which was a blast, no doubt, and perfectly executed).

janet's entrance is so hot! pyrotechnics, smoke, and the pleasure principle! right into control and what have you done then into feedback. the show just kept giving, never ever a dull moment. i went with my sister who at one point yelled out to me, "i just can't sit down!" she wasn't lying, lol! neither one of us could sit, even during the ballads (which janet sang beautifully). there was so much happening at any one time that no matter where your seat, or where you looked on stage, you were wildly entertained.

people have already discussed the setlist and costumes, etc so i won't waste that time. all i'll say is i hope janet really does reschedule philly because my sister and i are hoping to catch the show again. with so much happening, we're sure we missed some stuff and we'd both love to see it from the center floor regardless of how much tickets will run us.

i haven't read a lot of the reviews from papers but i will say any criticism regarding the new material seems to be coming from a bias that simply favors her old stuff...don't stop, call on me, luv, rock with u...they were all amazing on friday night. unlike madonna's, there was no portion of janet's show that i thought was out of place or too long or too self indulgent. her 2+ hour long show ended in what seemed like no time and i think most fans were left completely satisfied. i rarely go to see pop shows like this more than once because they are so set in their act with no room for alterations. that said, i'll see this show in philly if she does reschedule. it was just too good to be over already.

thanks to janet for a great night out!



I'm curious, what did you find out of place at Madonna's show?

i didn't think the sets blended very well. i thought they were very abrupt, even with the video sequeways. i thought it was a little repetitive that quite a few songs, yet again, got the guitar heavy makeover. the show seemed very formulaic, even down to the political video montage that basically substituted bush from the confessions tour with mccain for this tour. i also didn't think madonna was on stage enough with a show that was already under 2 hours long.

i had a fun time at madonna's show, don't get me wrong. i do, however, think she has slowed down a lot on this tour...lots of time sitting or standing still and a lot more time just walking around the stage. i mean, there was a lot of energy but i think that was accomplished much more by the staging and dancers than by madonna herself.
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Reply #45 posted 10/19/08 8:50pm

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JackieBlue said:




I'm curious, what did you find out of place at Madonna's show?

i didn't think the sets blended very well. i thought they were very abrupt, even with the video sequeways. i thought it was a little repetitive that quite a few songs, yet again, got the guitar heavy makeover. the show seemed very formulaic, even down to the political video montage that basically substituted bush from the confessions tour with mccain for this tour. i also didn't think madonna was on stage enough with a show that was already under 2 hours long.

i had a fun time at madonna's show, don't get me wrong. i do, however, think she has slowed down a lot on this tour...lots of time sitting or standing still and a lot more time just walking around the stage. i mean, there was a lot of energy but i think that was accomplished much more by the staging and dancers than by madonna herself.


I missed Confessions so most of it was pretty new to me. I really like the makeover of the songs. I was curious to see what someone thought after seeing both shows.
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Reply #46 posted 10/19/08 9:32pm

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Just got home from the Atlanta show and it was AMAZING. She's definitely an entertainer and the crowd ate up every minute of it.
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Reply #47 posted 10/19/08 9:36pm

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Good 2 read mostly positive reviews/comments. I'd love to go if she comes to Europe.
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Reply #48 posted 10/19/08 11:57pm

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OKAY!!??

Its so so sad how people really talk her down while she is in the hospital. Its pity and sad!

She was only in the hospital for two hours. Let's not act like she was seriously ill. She wasn't. Her boyfriend was out partying that night too. Given those facts as well as her track record of dishonesty, it's only natural there will be scepticism. Her brother has also been known to fake illnesses as a ploy to get out of difficult situations. I'm not saying that's what Janet did, but I can certainly see why people would think that.


She may have been in the hospital intially for only two hours but its pretty clear she had to seek additional medical attention after that, and undergo examinations to be diagnosed. Although she was not ill enough to be say, with child or a cancer scare, it doesnt seem right to judge...its a lot of physical exertion to put on stage shows of that magitude for ANY performer. Theres no way someone is going to get through a spectacle like that every 2 days with an inability to balance, dizzy spells, and migraines *the latter of which is exacerbated by extreme sensitivity to sound and light.

I was kinda pulling for her to be knocked up with a bun in the oven, but thankfully there is no serious health issue in any case...
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Reply #49 posted 10/20/08 5:50am

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Wow, a fag rag gave a janet performance a positive review.

rolleyes

Bet they loved the latest Steisand release.
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Reply #50 posted 10/20/08 5:52am

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I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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Mimed.... bullshit I saw her tonight and Janet was singing more than i expected... and i've seen all of her tours... That review was right on the money... I was surprised that THERE WAS SO MUCH LIVE VOCALS...I was sixth row and i can say for a fact that she was mos def singing more than miming

I saw clips posted by orgers of about seven songs from this tour, and every single one was mimed.
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Reply #51 posted 10/20/08 6:34am

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midnightmover said:


Yes, but that's like saying cow shit is better than dog shit.



Both these women are better than squeeky voiced rag doll 80's reject Cyndi Lauper whom you have such a boner for.
She didn't even write her best songs and her latest record was shit.

After making yourself the laughing stock of the org with your ridiculous assessment of MJ's "I Can't Help It", I would have thought you'd tone down the ignorance, but it seems, like the title of that song, you just "can't help it". Where to start? Firstly, no one with even the most basic knowledge would fail to see that Lauper is vocally leagues above these two non-singers. In her entire career Cyndi has never mimed even one second of a live concert. She is a real singer, not a studio bunny. Try to imagine Vadge or WACKson pulling off a performance like this for instance. They couldn't, and you know it....



As for the songwriting, Cyndi wrote 90% of her best material (time after time, hatful of stars, you don't know, who let in the rain, etc.) Her latest project still showed some great songwriting from her (lay me down, grab a hold, can't sleep, rain on me) even if the project was misconceived. Madonna's writing has been ATROCIOUS now for some time. Janet was nothing more than a singer on her latest album. As soon as her career was in trouble she soon gave up any pretence of being a songwriter. Her husband had been ghostwriting her lyrics all along. As soon as he left, the quality of songwriting dropped through the floor. Janet sought to rectify matters not by improving her own game, but simply by finding a new puppetmaster. Her spiritual home would be alongside Kermit The Frog and Miss Piggy. She is the music world's number one muppet.
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Reply #52 posted 10/20/08 7:05am

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lowkey said:




of course you enjoyed that review, i mean it was for the most part negative right. so when somebody give her a good review they are ass kissing and dishonest but a review that emphasised more than once that the crowd was 'less than capacity' is fair and unbiased? personally i dont read reviews good or bad,if its an artist that i like i'd rather go see for myself, if i dont like them then i dont need to read about their show.

I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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pointing out that she used pre-recorded vocals during her show is like a waste of time imo, i mean who dont know that? what you seem to have a problem realizing is that janet's FANS dont really care if she cries on que or if its not 100% live, she is a great performer and most of us love to watch her perform all those hits and we go to the show and have a good time. i guess i just dont take my pop stars as serious as some of you, i've been to every janet tour and i have never been disappointed and from the sounds of the people who have actually gone to the show and not just watch clips on youtube and read reviews, nobody seem to be disappointed with this show. i cant wait to see the show at the garden
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Reply #53 posted 10/20/08 7:21am

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I went to madonna's show last night and though I really enjoyed it and am glad to have finally seen madonna live, I have to say that I enjoyed janet's show a thousand times better
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Reply #54 posted 10/20/08 7:33am

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midnightmover said:


I don't deny that the reviewer probably wasn't a fan to begin with, but his points were true and impossible to argue with. Lip synching? True. Fake band? True. Fake tears? True. He also made an excellent point about how much more tuneful her earlier material was. These are points that most other reviewers would ignore.

As for the review at the start, it's dishonesty is apparent when you see in the middle of all the sycophancy, this surprisingly perceptive criticism in the middle.... "Jackson should engage the crowd more. At times, she seemed preoccupied with getting through all the numbers rather than enjoying herself and the audience that worshipped her. A few more spontaneous moments with the audience would give the production more of a concert feel and less the sense that you’re watching a Broadway show that doesn’t change from night to night". This shows that the reviewer is well aware of one of the fundamental flaws in Janet's whole act. That is, just how calculated and rehearsed it all is. But, keen not to undermine his heroine, he sticks this in the middle of a sea of ass licking, hoping that no one will notice what a huge criticism that really is. He even downplays it as just a "minor flaw". Most tellingly, he makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about the fact that the show is so obviously mimed. That's a pretty important thing to ignore, wouldn't you agree? He ends by talking about how she is still "innovating" on stage. Errr, "innovating" what exactly?
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pointing out that she used pre-recorded vocals during her show is like a waste of time imo, i mean who dont know that? what you seem to have a problem realizing is that janet's FANS dont really care if she cries on que or if its not 100% live, she is a great performer and most of us love to watch her perform all those hits and we go to the show and have a good time. i guess i just dont take my pop stars as serious as some of you, i've been to every janet tour and i have never been disappointed and from the sounds of the people who have actually gone to the show and not just watch clips on youtube and read reviews, nobody seem to be disappointed with this show. i cant wait to see the show at the garden

I realise that perfectly well, but reviews are not written for fans. They're written for the general public, who may only have a passing interest in the artist and just want to get an objective picture of what went down. Therefore, reviewers should try not to let their adulation cloud their objectivity. But this guy was writing for a gay magazine so I guess adulation is pretty much compulsory in those circumstances.
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Reply #55 posted 10/20/08 7:50am

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alphastreet said:

I went to madonna's show last night and though I really enjoyed it and am glad to have finally seen madonna live, I have to say that I enjoyed janet's show a thousand times better


I think I'm one of the few--or perhaps the only of folks I've met--who saw both but enjoyed Madonna even though it was more scaled down from when I saw her last and yet I had an awesome time.

Now I'm just waiting for the mother of them all (Tina) and my year will be complete!
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Reply #56 posted 10/20/08 7:57am

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JackieBlue said:

alphastreet said:

I went to madonna's show last night and though I really enjoyed it and am glad to have finally seen madonna live, I have to say that I enjoyed janet's show a thousand times better


I think I'm one of the few--or perhaps the only of folks I've met--who saw both but enjoyed Madonna even though it was more scaled down from when I saw her last and yet I had an awesome time.

Now I'm just waiting for the mother of them all (Tina) and my year will be complete!


I think I would enjoy a scaled down concert with Madonna. I know I may be in the minority but I could not enjoy the Confessions Tour, there was too much spectacle on stage moreso than the music.
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JackieBlue said:



I think I'm one of the few--or perhaps the only of folks I've met--who saw both but enjoyed Madonna even though it was more scaled down from when I saw her last and yet I had an awesome time.

Now I'm just waiting for the mother of them all (Tina) and my year will be complete!


I think I would enjoy a scaled down concert with Madonna. I know I may be in the minority but I could not enjoy the Confessions Tour, there was too much spectacle on stage moreso than the music.


I’ll have to see that on DVD. Drowned World was amazing to me and this was so simple and yet I thought there was a lot of thought and creativity to it. Since I missed the other shows maybe it’s not that big of a deal but I was pleased.
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Reply #58 posted 10/20/08 8:30am

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I wanted to see her badly for Confessions since I couldn't make it to Reinvention, and was upset she didn't come to Toronto for that though once I saw it on TV and looooved the stage set, I didn't think she was at her best vocally and dancewise, she proved me wrong with the Sticky and Sweet tour though, she moved much better than I expected with so much energy and charisma and her voice was nice too, it was just a fun, carefree dance-party of a tour that I loved, and the stage set was great as well, especially during Devil Wouldn't Recognize You, and wow Borderline being rock was really unpredictable!
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Reply #59 posted 10/20/08 9:02am

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pointing out that she used pre-recorded vocals during her show is like a waste of time imo, i mean who dont know that? what you seem to have a problem realizing is that janet's FANS dont really care if she cries on que or if its not 100% live, she is a great performer and most of us love to watch her perform all those hits and we go to the show and have a good time. i guess i just dont take my pop stars as serious as some of you, i've been to every janet tour and i have never been disappointed and from the sounds of the people who have actually gone to the show and not just watch clips on youtube and read reviews, nobody seem to be disappointed with this show. i cant wait to see the show at the garden

I realise that perfectly well, but reviews are not written for fans. They're written for the general public, who may only have a passing interest in the artist and just want to get an objective picture of what went down. Therefore, reviewers should try not to let their adulation cloud their objectivity. But this guy was writing for a gay magazine so I guess adulation is pretty much compulsory in those circumstances.


to be fair shouldnt reviewers also not let their dislike for the artists cloud their objectivity? a review is only that person's opinion so if one person loved the show and the other didnt thats just 2 different opinions,it dont make any of them right or wrong
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