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Printablemidnightmover said: dag said: 
See, this is exactly my problem with Madonna. I don´t know how to put it, but there are just many people who have much more talent than she does, but never make it that big because they simply do not have the guts to act as if they were the kings of the world. She would get much more respect from me if she did not act "you all should worhip me no matter what I do because whatever I do is actually cool". I do not follow her that much. I´ve just seen few interviews with her, but I never felt that I was actually getting to know her by watching these interviews. She came off always as acting and pretending to me, hardly ever genuine. I totally agree. Whenever I see her interviewed she always seems like she's acting. And it still spooks me out how people pretend not to notice how amateurish she is. It's like the elephant in the room that no one in the media ever mentions. The person I most liken her to is Sarah Palin. Anyone can see Palin has no business on the national stage. She's totally out of her league, yet there are millions of people who overlook that because they feel she represents them. Madonna is the same thing. A hopeless amateur loved by an army of the confused. I think this is the first time we have ever agreed on something. 
Anyways, let me add that I am not saying I have never heard Madonna say something smart, but in the end, she never touched my heart. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Glindathegood said: Who hasn't said negative things about their ex? Nice to know you are all saints here. And I would hardly say calling someone "emotionally retarded" a huge personal insult.
It's totally normal to have negative feelings about an ex-husband. I don't see a problem with it. It's not like it was really that bad. All men are emotionally retared because that's how society encourages them to be. I don´t think I am all saint, but if I ever said something negative about my ex, it was always privately, to my best frinds. I don´t walking around saying bad things about them just to anyone. I do realize that I am not famous and that my situation is different. Her privacy is public property, but still, there are ppl who never bitch about in the public like MJ. Or maybe he´s the only one. I don´t know. I am not saying this cause I am obviously a fan, but has anyone ever heard him bitching about his ex? One of the things I respect about him and try to follow. Bad example. Michael can't afford to diss his exes 'cos he knows they could destroy him if they wanted to. He explicitly asked Lisa not to talk bad about him after they split and she agreed. Paul McCartney might have been a better example.“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Emotionally retarded? So herself then. | |
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Glindathegood said: She didn't personally diss him because she didn't actually mention his name.
And I hardly think Michael Jackson given his involvement with child abuse allegations is a moral compass that Madonna or anyone else should follow. I do realize that it was me who brought MJ up, but I don´t want this to turn into an MJ thread. Watching MJ interviews, I persoanally get a clearer picture of who he is than watching Madonna´s and I would still like to say though that I see more moral in MJ than I do in Madge despite his involvement in child abuse because it´s not the involvement that matters to me, it´s the end that matters and its course of running that I have followed and that did not convince me of his guilt. That´s all I will say about it. I am an MJ fan, not Madonna´s, so obviously he has touched my heart and she has not. But I know that her fans feel the other way round. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: dag said: I don´t think I am all saint, but if I ever said something negative about my ex, it was always privately, to my best frinds. I don´t walking around saying bad things about them just to anyone. I do realize that I am not famous and that my situation is different. Her privacy is public property, but still, there are ppl who never bitch about in the public like MJ. Or maybe he´s the only one. I don´t know. I am not saying this cause I am obviously a fan, but has anyone ever heard him bitching about his ex? One of the things I respect about him and try to follow. Bad example. Michael can't afford to diss his exes 'cos he knows they could destroy him if they wanted to. He explicitly asked Lisa not to talk bad about him after they split and she agreed. Paul McCartney might have been a better example.OK, we´ll never agree on Mike. See, Lisa does not have the morals, too. She agreed and still did that. OK, let´s go with Paul McCartney. Yes, there are people who do not diss their ex in the public. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: Bad example. Michael can't afford to diss his exes 'cos he knows they could destroy him if they wanted to. He explicitly asked Lisa not to talk bad about him after they split and she agreed. Paul McCartney might have been a better example.Paul McCartney didn't have to. The press worship him for some reason and did all the dirty work for him. Not to mention his shark of a lawyer who I heard Madonna has hired too. | |
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Have you not heard the stuff Guy is saying about her?
This seems like it's going to get really nasty. Poor poor kids. Have you had your + signs today? | |
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dag said: midnightmover said: Bad example. Michael can't afford to diss his exes 'cos he knows they could destroy him if they wanted to. He explicitly asked Lisa not to talk bad about him after they split and she agreed. Paul McCartney might have been a better example.OK, we´ll never agree on Mike. See, Lisa does not have the morals, too. She agreed and still did that. OK, let´s go with Paul McCartney. Yes, there are people who do not diss their ex in the public. It's pretty obvious from hearing her that she is saying a lot less about Michael than she could. If she wanted to, she could really let loose. As for Vadge, I can't think of any other celebs who started verbally abusing their partner in public just one day after their divorce was announced. Although I put it down more to childishness than to malice. Ironically, it's the behaviour you'd expect from "an emotional retard", so maybe that Madonna fan was right. Maybe she was talking about herself. [Edited 10/16/08 13:01pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Ellie said: midnightmover said: Bad example. Michael can't afford to diss his exes 'cos he knows they could destroy him if they wanted to. He explicitly asked Lisa not to talk bad about him after they split and she agreed. Paul McCartney might have been a better example.Paul McCartney didn't have to. The press worship him for some reason and did all the dirty work for him. Not to mention his shark of a lawyer who I heard Madonna has hired too. Actually, that´s a good point, too. It´s weird, but I have never came across and criticism towards McCartney, or the Beatles from the media, which is weird to me. It´s starting to get annoying to me that whenever people start to talk about "quality pop music", they mention the Beatles because they are so non-controversial that it is safe to mention them. Bringing up MJ never gets away just like that. But that´s off-topic, sorry. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: dag said: OK, we´ll never agree on Mike. See, Lisa does not have the morals, too. She agreed and still did that. OK, let´s go with Paul McCartney. Yes, there are people who do not diss their ex in the public. It's pretty obvious from hearing her that she is saying a lot less about Michael than she could. If she wanted to, she could really let loose. As for Vadge, I can't think of many other celebs who started verbally abusing their partner in public just one day after their divorce was announced. Although I put it down more to childishness than to malice. Ironically, it's the behaviour you'd expect from "an emotional retard", so maybe that Madonna fan was right. Maybe she was talking about herself. OF course there aren´t many celebs like that because moral is a very rare quality in general. Well, that´s true for LMP, too. That´s why I have not lost a respect for her completely, yet. Well, maybe she´s scared that if she did, MJ would get pissed off and started to talk too, I don´t think she´s all that saint either. [Edited 10/16/08 12:52pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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It's definitely true that the press worship Paul McCartney (particularly here in the UK), but the Beatles deserve their respect. They were great craftsmen. Although he's a better singer and dancer, MJ is not in their league as a recording artist. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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The only bad press I've ever seen McCartney get post-drugs arrests was that time when he hit out at the photographer and started yelling abuse in the street when he went to see David Blaine in that silly box. | |
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dag said: midnightmover said: It's pretty obvious from hearing her that she is saying a lot less about Michael than she could. If she wanted to, she could really let loose. As for Vadge, I can't think of many other celebs who started verbally abusing their partner in public just one day after their divorce was announced. Although I put it down more to childishness than to malice. Ironically, it's the behaviour you'd expect from "an emotional retard", so maybe that Madonna fan was right. Maybe she was talking about herself. OF course there aren´t many celebs like that because moral is a very rare quality in general. Well, that´s true for LMP, too. That´s why I have not lost a respect for her completely, yet. Well, maybe she´s scared that if she did, MJ would get pissed off and started to talk too, I don´t think she´s all that saint either.
[Edited 10/16/08 12:52pm] You missed my point. I'm saying generally speaking, most celebs show a bit more class than Madonna in these matters. Think Rene Zelweger or Nicole Kidman. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: It's definitely true that the press worship Paul McCartney (particularly here in the UK), but the Beatles deserve their respect. They were great craftsmen. Although he's a better singer and dancer, MJ is not in their league as a recording artist.
 Of course, he is."When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: dag said: OF course there aren´t many celebs like that because moral is a very rare quality in general. Well, that´s true for LMP, too. That´s why I have not lost a respect for her completely, yet. Well, maybe she´s scared that if she did, MJ would get pissed off and started to talk too, I don´t think she´s all that saint either.
[Edited 10/16/08 12:52pm] You missed my point. I'm saying generally speaking, most celebs show a bit more class than Madonna in these matters. Think Rene Zelweger or Nicole Kidman. So you agreed? Sorry then. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: novabrkr said: Wait, she had her mic on?
Oh yes, Madonna's shows are mostly live as is painfully apparent if you've ever tried to listen to one. Here she is making the fatal mistake of trying to be spontaneous. She ends up totally fluffing the chorus ("Shit, it's too high for me!"). It's never a good idea when amateurs depart from the script. I'm not sure what sounds worse, her singing or her shouting/talking. Both are UTTERLY AWFUL! Fortunately the crowd are blissfully ignorant of what a sorry spectacle they are witnessing. See if you can endure this for the full four minutes. I warn you, it is sickening. I love Madonna but damn  | |
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InsatiableCream said: midnightmover said: I love Madonna but damn Okay, I just took a deep breath and watched the whole thing. LOL! I almost don't want to admit that I was laughing because laughter is a good thing and such incompetence should not even be rewarded with laughter, but damn! That was hilarious! The most successful female artist of all time! No one can say God doesn't have a sense of humour.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Glindathegood said: Who hasn't said negative things about their ex? Nice to know you are all saints here. And I would hardly say calling someone "emotionally retarded" a huge personal insult.
It's totally normal to have negative feelings about an ex-husband. I don't see a problem with it. It's not like it was really that bad. All men are emotionally retared because that's how society encourages them to be. i've called my ex a few things worse than that. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Seems like some of you are DELIBERATELY missing the point.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: InsatiableCream said: I love Madonna but damn Okay, I just took a deep breath and watched the whole thing. LOL! I almost don't want to admit that I was laughing because laughter is a good thing and such incompetence should not even be rewarded with laughter, but damn! That was hilarious! The most successful female artist of all time! No one can say God doesn't have a sense of humour. i saw a comedian a couple years ago say god has a sense of humor. mozart died penniless madonna is a billionaire. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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newpowerhippies said: Have you not heard the stuff Guy is saying about her?
Not a word. | |
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By Charlotte Bailey
Last Updated: 4:41PM BST 16 Oct 2008 Newspaper claims the couple are to split. ; http://link.brightcove.co...1856957771 http://www.brightcove.com...1139053637 The film-maker has told of how it was impossible to have a normal family life with the singer who, he says, is obsessed with her public image. According to the Mirror, Ritchie, 40, said: "I just wanted a regular husband and wife thing. But it was always a great song and dance just to do ordinary stuff. "She's obsessed with her own public image, obsessed with being seen as some kind of global soothsayer. "It's silly, she's a pop star. And some of the advisors around her, some of whom have gone, made it impossible for us to have a semblance of a normal life. "I want to be able to go about my business and live my life without all the hoopla. Unfortunately, she can't live without all the hoopla. Our marriage was a three-ring circus in the end." Madonna, 50, released a statement on Wednesday announcing that she and her husband Ritchie were to divorce. She had wanted to postpone the divorce announcement until the end of her world tour but Ritchie said that he wanted to end the "charade" now. The British film director has said that he thought he would slip into depression as their relationship began to fall apart but that his wife lost her sense of fun as she began to believe she was on a mission to save the world. He called the star's Kabbalah faith a "weird religion" and said that her religion was a big reason behind the break-up. He added: "There was a time when she used to have a sense of humour about herself. "In the last few years she just got angry. In the end we had no proper family life at all. We were two different people, living two different lives." No settlement has been reached but experts have said that Ritchie is likely to get up to £50 million of the pop star's estimated £300 million. The director of British gangster films including Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is worth a fraction of that, with generous estimates putting his wealth at £20 million. However, according to The Sun newspaper, Ritchie has told lawyers he wants "not one penny" of Madonna's estimated £300 million fortune. The couple have already made the welfare of their three children - Lourdes, 11, Rocco, seven, and adopted David, two - their priority You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I saw alleged "quotes" from both of them on the front page of some tabloid, but I have no idea where the "quotes" come from. Seems like they're coming from some anonymous "friend". The only public statement I've heard from either of them has been Madonna's "emotional retard" comment. I take these other mysterious quotes with a huge pinch of salt, as everyone should. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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ehuffnsd said: By Charlotte Bailey
Last Updated: 4:41PM BST 16 Oct 2008 Newspaper claims the couple are to split. ; http://link.brightcove.co...1856957771 http://www.brightcove.com...1139053637 The film-maker has told of how it was impossible to have a normal family life with the singer who, he says, is obsessed with her public image. According to the Mirror, Ritchie, 40, said: "I just wanted a regular husband and wife thing. But it was always a great song and dance just to do ordinary stuff. "She's obsessed with her own public image, obsessed with being seen as some kind of global soothsayer. "It's silly, she's a pop star. And some of the advisors around her, some of whom have gone, made it impossible for us to have a semblance of a normal life. "I want to be able to go about my business and live my life without all the hoopla. Unfortunately, she can't live without all the hoopla. Our marriage was a three-ring circus in the end." Madonna, 50, released a statement on Wednesday announcing that she and her husband Ritchie were to divorce. She had wanted to postpone the divorce announcement until the end of her world tour but Ritchie said that he wanted to end the "charade" now. The British film director has said that he thought he would slip into depression as their relationship began to fall apart but that his wife lost her sense of fun as she began to believe she was on a mission to save the world. He called the star's Kabbalah faith a "weird religion" and said that her religion was a big reason behind the break-up. He added: "There was a time when she used to have a sense of humour about herself. "In the last few years she just got angry. In the end we had no proper family life at all. We were two different people, living two different lives." No settlement has been reached but experts have said that Ritchie is likely to get up to £50 million of the pop star's estimated £300 million. The director of British gangster films including Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is worth a fraction of that, with generous estimates putting his wealth at £20 million. However, according to The Sun newspaper, Ritchie has told lawyers he wants "not one penny" of Madonna's estimated £300 million fortune. The couple have already made the welfare of their three children - Lourdes, 11, Rocco, seven, and adopted David, two - their priority is that shit hitting the fan i hear? |
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Marrk said: ehuffnsd said: By Charlotte Bailey
Last Updated: 4:41PM BST 16 Oct 2008 Newspaper claims the couple are to split. ; http://link.brightcove.co...1856957771 http://www.brightcove.com...1139053637 The film-maker has told of how it was impossible to have a normal family life with the singer who, he says, is obsessed with her public image. According to the Mirror, Ritchie, 40, said: "I just wanted a regular husband and wife thing. But it was always a great song and dance just to do ordinary stuff. "She's obsessed with her own public image, obsessed with being seen as some kind of global soothsayer. "It's silly, she's a pop star. And some of the advisors around her, some of whom have gone, made it impossible for us to have a semblance of a normal life. "I want to be able to go about my business and live my life without all the hoopla. Unfortunately, she can't live without all the hoopla. Our marriage was a three-ring circus in the end." Madonna, 50, released a statement on Wednesday announcing that she and her husband Ritchie were to divorce. She had wanted to postpone the divorce announcement until the end of her world tour but Ritchie said that he wanted to end the "charade" now. The British film director has said that he thought he would slip into depression as their relationship began to fall apart but that his wife lost her sense of fun as she began to believe she was on a mission to save the world. He called the star's Kabbalah faith a "weird religion" and said that her religion was a big reason behind the break-up. He added: "There was a time when she used to have a sense of humour about herself. "In the last few years she just got angry. In the end we had no proper family life at all. We were two different people, living two different lives." No settlement has been reached but experts have said that Ritchie is likely to get up to £50 million of the pop star's estimated £300 million. The director of British gangster films including Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is worth a fraction of that, with generous estimates putting his wealth at £20 million. However, according to The Sun newspaper, Ritchie has told lawyers he wants "not one penny" of Madonna's estimated £300 million fortune. The couple have already made the welfare of their three children - Lourdes, 11, Rocco, seven, and adopted David, two - their priority is that shit hitting the fan i hear? though they are saying he doesn't want her money. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: By Charlotte Bailey
Last Updated: 4:41PM BST 16 Oct 2008 Newspaper claims the couple are to split. ; http://link.brightcove.co...1856957771 http://www.brightcove.com...1139053637 The film-maker has told of how it was impossible to have a normal family life with the singer who, he says, is obsessed with her public image. According to the Mirror, Ritchie, 40, said: "I just wanted a regular husband and wife thing. But it was always a great song and dance just to do ordinary stuff. "She's obsessed with her own public image, obsessed with being seen as some kind of global soothsayer. "It's silly, she's a pop star. And some of the advisors around her, some of whom have gone, made it impossible for us to have a semblance of a normal life. "I want to be able to go about my business and live my life without all the hoopla. Unfortunately, she can't live without all the hoopla. Our marriage was a three-ring circus in the end." Madonna, 50, released a statement on Wednesday announcing that she and her husband Ritchie were to divorce. She had wanted to postpone the divorce announcement until the end of her world tour but Ritchie said that he wanted to end the "charade" now. The British film director has said that he thought he would slip into depression as their relationship began to fall apart but that his wife lost her sense of fun as she began to believe she was on a mission to save the world. He called the star's Kabbalah faith a "weird religion" and said that her religion was a big reason behind the break-up. He added: "There was a time when she used to have a sense of humour about herself. "In the last few years she just got angry. In the end we had no proper family life at all. We were two different people, living two different lives." No settlement has been reached but experts have said that Ritchie is likely to get up to £50 million of the pop star's estimated £300 million. The director of British gangster films including Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is worth a fraction of that, with generous estimates putting his wealth at £20 million. However, according to The Sun newspaper, Ritchie has told lawyers he wants "not one penny" of Madonna's estimated £300 million fortune. The couple have already made the welfare of their three children - Lourdes, 11, Rocco, seven, and adopted David, two - their priority I think anyone with a brain should be able to see that these quotes attributed to Guy have been written by a tabloid journalist since there's nothing there that I couldn't have written myself. It's also hard to believe Guy would call her religion "weird" when he is, by all accounts, a fanatical believer himself. Let's not check our brains at the door, people. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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 Kabbalah is not working for her | |
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lilgish said: Kabbalah is not working for herShe's not even supposed to be studying it. | |
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ehuffnsd said: Marrk said: is that shit hitting the fan i hear? though they are saying he doesn't want her money. true, but ritchie is painting a vivid picture of her, and it's not pretty, personally, i've found her persona a turn off for awhile, maybe that's why i stopped buying her stuff. that, and it's formulaic crap. |
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