L4OATheOriginal said: Militant said: Bullshit. Bizzy was already a name and had won Grammys before The 18th Letter ever dropped. Did you mean to say Paid in Full? That would be a stronger case, but still, I'd like to see you explain how KRS and Ra had a DIRECT influence on Bizzy. Because really, I can't see it, and if you never heard of Bizzy.....then how the fuck are you trying to claim there would be no Bizzy without Ra and Kris? Bizzy will not be around that long? Ummm....well Bone were signed to Ruthless Records by Eazy-E in the EARLY 90's. Like '92 or so. So that's 16 years in the game and counting. Don't act like he's some new jack, I'm not talking about T.I here. Everyone knows about Ra and KRS? Not really, outside of hip-hop fans. While they both had hits, their status does not come from the commercial songs they did. in the imoratal words of Public Enemy "WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT A GODDAMN GRAMMY?" cause young mc won one and so did hammer does that mean they r great MC'S? fuck no!!! i have never ever heard of bizzy bone and out of the acts that Eazy E signed..damn Ren and yella r more famous than this person ur speaking of. and by ur accounts, he hasn't been in the game longer than either rakim or KRS. but i'm gonna match ur "commercialism" with this: on the top 100 hip hop songs on Vh1- both krs and rakim were in the top list..bizzy bone was NO WHERE 2 b found .. Actually Bone Thugs' Crossroads was #33 on the list, while KRS with BDP was #49 and Rakim was #24. But as we all know, lists don't mean shit. But it's funny how in one breath people on here be shitting on lists, which ironically was the point of this thread, but in the next breath be using a list to support their point. Just an observation. http://www.vh1.com/press/...list.jhtml [Edited 10/16/08 8:43am] | |
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SCNDLS said: L4OATheOriginal said: in the imoratal words of Public Enemy "WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT A GODDAMN GRAMMY?" cause young mc won one and so did hammer does that mean they r great MC'S? fuck no!!! i have never ever heard of bizzy bone and out of the acts that Eazy E signed..damn Ren and yella r more famous than this person ur speaking of. and by ur accounts, he hasn't been in the game longer than either rakim or KRS. but i'm gonna match ur "commercialism" with this: on the top 100 hip hop songs on Vh1- both krs and rakim were in the top list..bizzy bone was NO WHERE 2 b found .. Actually Bone Thugs' Crossroads was #33 on the list, while KRS with BDP was #49 and Rakim was #24. But as we all know, lists don't mean shit. But it's funny how in one breath people on here be shitting on lists, which ironically was the point of this thread, but in the next breath be using a list to support their point. Just an observation. http://www.vh1.com/press/...list.jhtml [Edited 10/16/08 8:43am] yes we must question ANY list that has JJ fad on it man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: SCNDLS said: Actually Bone Thugs' Crossroads was #33 on the list, while KRS with BDP was #49 and Rakim was #24. But as we all know, lists don't mean shit. But it's funny how in one breath people on here be shitting on lists, which ironically was the point of this thread, but in the next breath be using a list to support their point. Just an observation. http://www.vh1.com/press/...list.jhtml [Edited 10/16/08 8:43am] yes we must question ANY list that has JJ fad on it I'm convinved, you MUST be high, if you can't recognize the sheer brilliance that is Supersonic. | |
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SCNDLS said: L4OATheOriginal said: yes we must question ANY list that has JJ fad on it I'm convinved, you MUST be high, if you can't recognize the sheer brilliance that is Supersonic. i have heard cats and dogs howling that sound better than supersonic man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: SCNDLS said: I'm convinved, you MUST be high, if you can't recognize the sheer brilliance that is Supersonic. i have heard cats and dogs howling that sound better than supersonic All I have to say to you is: I saw my llama llama llama Do my nama see me? now my llama nama do my llama llama nama see me now my llama nama do my llama llama nama see me now my llama nama see me, I'm a do my llama hum uhyeah (Yeah) That's it (That's it) | |
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Militant said: Well damn, 'Pac would be my number one, but it was my understanding we were voting for best rapper alive.
as for the R-A-K-I-M, he hasn't dropped anything relevant in years. And from the stuff that leaked out when he was on Aftermath, it would seem he has lost his touch. Same with KRS. You have to look at modern day relevance as well. Muthafunka - Bizzy Bone would tear most MC's a new asshole, I don't know why you're sleepin on him. He's probably the only MC alive that has outshined 2Pac (on 'Thug Luv'), Biggie (on 'Notorious Thugs') and Eazy (multiple songs). I don't know anyone else that can lay claim to that. Check out the "Art of War" and "E1999 Eternal" albums for the real proof that Bizzy is one of the best alive. Hell, I'd listen to Bizzy over LL, Busta, Kanye, QTip (bitin ass motherfucker) and a bunch of other cats that have hit the top ten. You must've started listening to RAP back in the late 90s, eh? Bizzy is weaksauce. Period. His style is wack. His delivery is wack. His content is wack. HE'S wack. The ONLY people that like Bizzy are from Cleveland . Notice their style was PURE GIMMICK and they're basically done now. Ask Das EFX about GIMMICKY DELIVERIES . nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Militant said: L4OATheOriginal said: if it wasn't 4 the likes of the 18th letter and KRS there would b no bizzy bone..relevant u say? okay let's c..i never HEARD of bizzy bone..but EVERYONE knows of The R and Krs ONE ..relevant means legend!!! and bizzy bone will not b around that long 2 have that lasting impression in the rap game trust me on that Bullshit. Bizzy was already a name and had won Grammys before The 18th Letter ever dropped. Did you mean to say Paid in Full? That would be a stronger case, but still, I'd like to see you explain how KRS and Ra had a DIRECT influence on Bizzy. Because really, I can't see it, and if you never heard of Bizzy.....then how the fuck are you trying to claim there would be no Bizzy without Ra and Kris? Bizzy will not be around that long? Ummm....well Bone were signed to Ruthless Records by Eazy-E in the EARLY 90's. Like '92 or so. So that's 16 years in the game and counting. Don't act like he's some new jack, I'm not talking about T.I here. Everyone knows about Ra and KRS? Not really, outside of hip-hop fans. While they both had hits, their status does not come from the commercial songs they did. Bizzy, is that you? And why do people try and use GRAMMYS as a measuring stick? And your last paragraph speaks volumes about you truly have no idea to what you're speaking on. To sit here and try and tell us that ONLY hip hop headz know Rakim and KRS is pure ridiculousness. Unbelievable. Bizzy Bone wouldn't even make the top 100 Greatest Rappers list...Unless it's done by people that live in Cleveland. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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SCNDLS said: L4OATheOriginal said: yes we must question ANY list that has JJ fad on it I'm convinved, you MUST be high, if you can't recognize the sheer brilliance that is Supersonic. [In my granma's voice] SCNDLS, Get some rest, baby. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Rakim Dave/Trugoy Baby Professor/Brother J Chuck D KRS-One Q-Tip Grand Puba Guru Lakim Shabazz MC Serch My criteria: Subject Matter, Delivery Style, Conscious/Social Impact nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SCNDLS said: I'm convinved, you MUST be high, if you can't recognize the sheer brilliance that is Supersonic. [In my granma's voice] SCNDLS, Get some rest, baby. Uh, I was kidding. | |
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Somebody GOT MY IDEA!
Ok now here is mine for favorites Jay Z Nas Kanye West LL Eminem Runner up Lil Kim God dammit and COMMON too! [Edited 10/16/08 10:08am] Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: [In my granma's voice] SCNDLS, Get some rest, baby. Uh, I was kidding. Whew! Well, you DID have TI on your list, so... nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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paisleypark4 said: Somebody GOT MY IDEA!
Ok now here is mine for favorites Jay Z Nas Kanye West LL Eminem Runner up Lil Kim God dammit and COMMON too! [Edited 10/16/08 10:08am] Yikes! [Edited 10/16/08 10:10am] nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SCNDLS said: Uh, I was kidding. Whew! Well, you DID have TI on your list, so... | |
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: Whew! Well, you DID have TI on your list, so... The Rubber Band Man! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SCNDLS said: The Rubber Band Man! Okay, I didn't like him THEN, I got into him AFTER that bullshit. | |
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: The Rubber Band Man! Okay, I didn't like him THEN, I got into him AFTER that bullshit. If you got into him AFTER that bullshit, souldn't you STILL not bein INTO him since his bullshit is STILL CURRENT? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Militant said: Well damn, 'Pac would be my number one, but it was my understanding we were voting for best rapper alive.
as for the R-A-K-I-M, he hasn't dropped anything relevant in years. And from the stuff that leaked out when he was on Aftermath, it would seem he has lost his touch. Same with KRS. You have to look at modern day relevance as well. Muthafunka - Bizzy Bone would tear most MC's a new asshole, I don't know why you're sleepin on him. He's probably the only MC alive that has outshined 2Pac (on 'Thug Luv'), Biggie (on 'Notorious Thugs') and Eazy (multiple songs). I don't know anyone else that can lay claim to that. Check out the "Art of War" and "E1999 Eternal" albums for the real proof that Bizzy is one of the best alive. Hell, I'd listen to Bizzy over LL, Busta, Kanye, QTip (bitin ass motherfucker) and a bunch of other cats that have hit the top ten. You must've started listening to RAP back in the late 90s, eh? Bizzy is weaksauce. Period. His style is wack. His delivery is wack. His content is wack. HE'S wack. The ONLY people that like Bizzy are from Cleveland . Notice their style was PURE GIMMICK and they're basically done now. Ask Das EFX about GIMMICKY DELIVERIES . Bizzy is not the best solo rapper though. His albums have fallen on high expectations and bad production. Songs like Frieday, When Thugs Cry and Father stand out but dont support his work with BONE Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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MuthaFunka said: You must've started listening to RAP back in the late 90s, eh? Bizzy is weaksauce. Period. His style is wack. His delivery is wack. His content is wack. HE'S wack. The ONLY people that like Bizzy are from Cleveland . Notice their style was PURE GIMMICK and they're basically done now. Ask Das EFX about GIMMICKY DELIVERIES . Please. You clearly don't know jackshit about hip-hop if you think BTNH style was a gimmick. Bizzy is wack? LOL. The fuck outta here. I'm not from Cleveland, by the way, and i know a HELL of a lot of people that aren't from Cleveland and that dig Bizzy. Basically done? Bone's last album sold pretty damn well from what I remember. And now that Flesh N Bone is outta jail, they're gonna cook us some more fire. MuthaFunka said: Bizzy, is that you? And why do people try and use GRAMMYS as a measuring stick? lol And your last paragraph speaks volumes about you truly have no idea to what you're speaking on. To sit here and try and tell us that ONLY hip hop headz know Rakim and KRS is pure ridiculousness. Unbelievable. Bizzy Bone wouldn't even make the top 100 Greatest Rappers list...Unless it's done by people that live in Cleveland. lol I wasn't using Grammy's as a measuring stick. That was just one remark in response to someone saying The 18th Letter had some kind of influence on Bizzy despite his own style already been established and developed when that album had dropped. It's not ridiculous to say only hip-hop heads know about Ra and Kris. I have a ton of friends that are mostly into other genres of music that would have never heard of them because the only hip-hop they hear is commercial stuff. [Edited 10/16/08 10:19am] |
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MuthaFunka said: paisleypark4 said: Somebody GOT MY IDEA!
Ok now here is mine for favorites Jay Z Nas Kanye West LL Eminem Runner up Lil Kim God dammit and COMMON too! [Edited 10/16/08 10:08am] Yikes! [Edited 10/16/08 10:10am] man those first two albums were the heat..I dont care if Biggie wrote the first one that was FIRE... Beretta inside of baretta nobody do it bet I wet ya like a hurricane or typhoon Got niggas eatin my pussy while I watch cartoons The second album also with cuts like Suck My Dick, Aunt Dot (which was probably her best lyrical and songwriting work to date) she couldnt do no wrong. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Militant said: MuthaFunka said: You must've started listening to RAP back in the late 90s, eh? Bizzy is weaksauce. Period. His style is wack. His delivery is wack. His content is wack. HE'S wack. The ONLY people that like Bizzy are from Cleveland . Notice their style was PURE GIMMICK and they're basically done now. Ask Das EFX about GIMMICKY DELIVERIES . Please. You clearly don't know jackshit about hip-hop if you think BTNH style was a gimmick. Bizzy is wack? LOL. The fuck outta here. I'm not from Cleveland, by the way, and i know a HELL of a lot of people that aren't from Cleveland and that dig Bizzy. Basically done? Bone's last album sold pretty damn well from what I remember. And now that Flesh N Bone is outta jail, they're gonna cook us some more fire. Hey, don't get all pissy at me just because his ass is WACK AS FUCK! They're a gimmick rap group that ain't shit. Simple as that. Bizzy included. And yeah, you keep holdin' on that they're gonna make a comeback . You sound like those disillusioned Hammer fans that STILL say "Hammer gon' be back! Watch!" nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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paisleypark4 said: MuthaFunka said: Yikes! [Edited 10/16/08 10:10am] man those first two albums were the heat..I dont care if Biggie wrote the first one that was FIRE... Beretta inside of baretta nobody do it bet I wet ya like a hurricane or typhoon Got niggas eatin my pussy while I watch cartoons The second album also with cuts like Suck My Dick, Aunt Dot (which was probably her best lyrical and songwriting work to date) she couldnt do no wrong. Kim is ALL "pussy, lips & sex" and nothing else. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Militant said: Please. You clearly don't know jackshit about hip-hop if you think BTNH style was a gimmick. Bizzy is wack? LOL. The fuck outta here. I'm not from Cleveland, by the way, and i know a HELL of a lot of people that aren't from Cleveland and that dig Bizzy. Basically done? Bone's last album sold pretty damn well from what I remember. And now that Flesh N Bone is outta jail, they're gonna cook us some more fire. Hey, don't get all pissy at me just because his ass is WACK AS FUCK! They're a gimmick rap group that ain't shit. Simple as that. Bizzy included. And yeah, you keep holdin' on that they're gonna make a comeback . You sound like those disillusioned Hammer fans that STILL say "Hammer gon' be back! Watch!" LOL now you're comparing Bone to Hammer? Shows how much you know. Now THATS a fuckin joke. |
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I wasn't using Grammy's as a measuring stick. That was just one remark in response to someone saying The 18th Letter had some kind of influence on Bizzy despite his own style already been established and developed when that album had dropped.
It's not ridiculous to say only hip-hop heads know about Ra and Kris. I have a ton of friends that are mostly into other genres of music that would have never heard of them because the only hip-hop they hear is commercial stuff. And again, you used a Grammy to prove a point, and it's ridiculous to do so. And you're basing all of this off YOUR TINY GROUP OF FRIENDS ? Yeah, that's a sufficient sample group then! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SCNDLS said: Okay, I didn't like him THEN, I got into him AFTER that bullshit. If you got into him AFTER that bullshit, souldn't you STILL not bein INTO him since his bullshit is STILL CURRENT? Well in MY opinion his lyrics improved after that so I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he did what he needed to get in the game. Anyways, aren't we supposed to be letting the bracketing speak for itself as far as determining the greatest rapper alive. Or are you taking it upon yourself to shit on everyone's choices that you don't like? | |
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Militant said: MuthaFunka said: Hey, don't get all pissy at me just because his ass is WACK AS FUCK! They're a gimmick rap group that ain't shit. Simple as that. Bizzy included. And yeah, you keep holdin' on that they're gonna make a comeback . You sound like those disillusioned Hammer fans that STILL say "Hammer gon' be back! Watch!" LOL now you're comparing Bone to Hammer? Shows how much you know. Now THATS a fuckin joke. Hey, Hammer has more Grammies than Bone - Remember, it's all about the Grammies, right? Real shit though - I'd go see wack ass Hammer BEFORE I'd EVER see WACK ASS BONE! See you at the crossroads! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: If you got into him AFTER that bullshit, souldn't you STILL not bein INTO him since his bullshit is STILL CURRENT? Well in MY opinion his lyrics improved after that so I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he did what he needed to get in the game. Anyways, aren't we supposed to be letting the bracketing speak for itself as far as determining the greatest rapper alive. Or are you taking it upon yourself to shit on everyone's choices that you don't like? Hey, your opinion is all that matters. I'm just voicing MY opinion, that's all. And it's a message board, we're supposed to have viewpoints and opinions on other people's viewpoints and opinions. That's how it works. TI is weak to ME. He's TIGHT to others. It is what it is. So, if I shit on other's choices, it's because I can. I shit, therefore I am. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SCNDLS said: Well in MY opinion his lyrics improved after that so I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he did what he needed to get in the game. Anyways, aren't we supposed to be letting the bracketing speak for itself as far as determining the greatest rapper alive. Or are you taking it upon yourself to shit on everyone's choices that you don't like? Hey, your opinion is all that matters. I'm just voicing MY opinion, that's all. And it's a message board, we're supposed to have viewpoints and opinions on other people's viewpoints and opinions. That's how it works. TI is weak to ME. He's TIGHT to others. It is what it is. So, if I shit on other's choices, it's because I can. I shit, therefore I am. Then I guess I misunderstood the purpose of THIS thread which I thought was to crown the greatest rapper alive through a process of elimination not debate to death over who you think is wack. Well, have at it then. | |
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: Hey, your opinion is all that matters. I'm just voicing MY opinion, that's all. And it's a message board, we're supposed to have viewpoints and opinions on other people's viewpoints and opinions. That's how it works. TI is weak to ME. He's TIGHT to others. It is what it is. So, if I shit on other's choices, it's because I can. I shit, therefore I am. Then I guess I misunderstood the purpose of THIS thread which I thought was to crown the greatest rapper alive through a process of elimination not debate to death over who you think is wack. Well, have at it then. Oh please! Some people actually voted for fucking Tupac, for Christ sake ! Don't expect this shit to run smooth! It's the ORG, remember? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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