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Reply #120 posted 10/14/08 10:13am

shesoffthewall

SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:



I agree but I do consider Destiny to be a damned fine piece of work.


Oh I agree.'Destiny' and 'Triumph' are excellent albums.It's just that 'Off The Wall' is superior lol 'Off The Wall' is even better than 'Thriller'.


I wouldn't say it's better per say but it's definitely my favorite of the two! cool
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Reply #121 posted 10/14/08 11:25am

NMusiqNSoul

I never really read or heard someone say they dislike "I Can't Help It" and my first response was "Are they on crack" but as with everything we all have different taste and opinions.

I think there's a lot of melody in "I Can't Help It" and it is accompanied by the crazy 13 or 11 jazzy chords that Stevie always puts in his songs. I've played it before on Piano and it really makes unexpected twists and turns. On top of that it features one of Michael's finest vocal performances and It's smooth, with a lot of feeling displayed. I've heard Stevie's original and that has a more Latin feel to it. Even though Stevie is my favorite artist and Michael is my second favorite I like Michael vocal over Stevie's.

"Off The Wall" isn't my favorite Michael album, to me it's "Dangerous" but Michael's vocal performances on "Off The Wall" are crazy good.
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Reply #122 posted 10/14/08 11:42am

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I prefer Triumph if only for Walk Right Now.
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Reply #123 posted 10/14/08 12:44pm

curioso

NMusiqNSoul said:

I never really read or heard someone say they dislike "I Can't Help It" and my first response was "Are they on crack" but as with everything we all have different taste and opinions.

I think there's a lot of melody in "I Can't Help It" and it is accompanied by the crazy 13 or 11 jazzy chords that Stevie always puts in his songs. I've played it before on Piano and it really makes unexpected twists and turns. On top of that it features one of Michael's finest vocal performances and It's smooth, with a lot of feeling displayed. I've heard Stevie's original and that has a more Latin feel to it. Even though Stevie is my favorite artist and Michael is my second favorite I like Michael vocal over Stevie's.

"Off The Wall" isn't my favorite Michael album, to me it's "Dangerous" but Michael's vocal performances on "Off The Wall" are crazy good.


IMO there's nothing really complicated about I Can't Help It. The song obviously has a melody but it's just not memorable.
The song just coasts. There's no interesting change in rhythm, there's no bridge, no rousing buildups and it has cheesy sounding music. The verse and chorsus alternate and and there's no exciting changes within them.
The song had such a lack of ideas MJ was singing'dadada'.
The only thing I really like about that song is how MJ said baby. That was funny.

Before this thread I thought it was generally considered one of the worst 3 songs on Off The Wall.
Musically, Girlfriend and It's The Falling In Love smokes it.
What's so amazing about the vocal? To my ears there's a distinct lack of passion compared with other songs on the album.
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Reply #124 posted 10/14/08 1:15pm

Timmy84

curioso said:

NMusiqNSoul said:

I never really read or heard someone say they dislike "I Can't Help It" and my first response was "Are they on crack" but as with everything we all have different taste and opinions.

I think there's a lot of melody in "I Can't Help It" and it is accompanied by the crazy 13 or 11 jazzy chords that Stevie always puts in his songs. I've played it before on Piano and it really makes unexpected twists and turns. On top of that it features one of Michael's finest vocal performances and It's smooth, with a lot of feeling displayed. I've heard Stevie's original and that has a more Latin feel to it. Even though Stevie is my favorite artist and Michael is my second favorite I like Michael vocal over Stevie's.

"Off The Wall" isn't my favorite Michael album, to me it's "Dangerous" but Michael's vocal performances on "Off The Wall" are crazy good.


IMO there's nothing really complicated about I Can't Help It. The song obviously has a melody but it's just not memorable.
The song just coasts. There's no interesting change in rhythm, there's no bridge, no rousing buildups and it has cheesy sounding music. The verse and chorsus alternate and and there's no exciting changes within them.
The song had such a lack of ideas MJ was singing'dadada'.
The only thing I really like about that song is how MJ said baby. That was funny.

Before this thread I thought it was generally considered one of the worst 3 songs on Off The Wall.
Musically, Girlfriend and It's The Falling In Love smokes it.
What's so amazing about the vocal? To my ears there's a distinct lack of passion compared with other songs on the album.


"Generally considered" my black ass. razz wink lol
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Reply #125 posted 10/14/08 1:18pm

NMusiqNSoul

As they say whatever floats. lol
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Reply #126 posted 10/14/08 1:20pm

curioso

Timmy84 said:



"Generally considered" my black ass. razz wink lol


falloff I really did. The Stevie love is clouding your judgement.
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Reply #127 posted 10/14/08 1:25pm

NMusiqNSoul

I think you're the minority here curioso, considering that song at least. Well... at least you stand your ground. lol
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Reply #128 posted 10/14/08 1:27pm

curioso

NMusiqNSoul said:

I think you're the minority here curioso, considering that song at least. Well... at least you stand your ground. lol


On this site it seems that way. Thanks anyway.
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Reply #129 posted 10/14/08 1:29pm

Timmy84

curioso said:

Timmy84 said:



"Generally considered" my black ass. razz wink lol


falloff I really did. The Stevie love is clouding your judgement.


It ain't just the Wonderlove... I generally do love this song. wink

It ain't clouding my judgment.

Maybe you need to get that Beatle off your back. biggrin
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Reply #130 posted 10/14/08 1:45pm

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Timmy84 said:

curioso said:



falloff I really did. The Stevie love is clouding your judgement.


It ain't just the Wonderlove... I generally do love this song. wink

It ain't clouding my judgment.

Maybe you need to get that Beatle off your back. biggrin



Agreed! Even if Stevie Wonder wasn't associated with this song, I would still love it. It's rare to hear Michael sing such a lovely jazz-like song, and his vocals are fantastic.
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Reply #131 posted 10/14/08 1:49pm

Timmy84

WaterInYourBath said:

Timmy84 said:



It ain't just the Wonderlove... I generally do love this song. wink

It ain't clouding my judgment.

Maybe you need to get that Beatle off your back. biggrin



Agreed! Even if Stevie Wonder wasn't associated with this song, I would still love it. It's rare to hear Michael sing such a lovely jazz-like song, and his vocals are fantastic.


I agree. The Supremes' Susaye Greene co-wrote "I Can't Help It". smile
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Reply #132 posted 10/14/08 2:31pm

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so 'I can't help it' makes a recovery on this thread, bout time too, one of MJ's underrated classics, love the jazz feel to it. This always makes my ipod playlist.

'Girlfriend' sucks! mad

the only song i skip on otw.
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Reply #133 posted 10/14/08 2:40pm

SoulAlive

yeah,"I Can't Help It" has a jazzy feel to it.Although never released as a single,it has become a Quiet Storm favorite.It's a smooth,mesmerizing song.One of Michael's best!
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Reply #134 posted 10/14/08 7:02pm

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WaterInYourBath said:

Timmy84 said:



It ain't just the Wonderlove... I generally do love this song. wink

It ain't clouding my judgment.

Maybe you need to get that Beatle off your back. biggrin



Agreed! Even if Stevie Wonder wasn't associated with this song, I would still love it. It's rare to hear Michael sing such a lovely jazz-like song, and his vocals are fantastic.


I used to HATE the song. I didn't get it- I thought the lyrics were stupid and I thought it was repetitive. Now it's one of my fav songs of Michael's ever- it's so unique and his vocal performance is outstanding. I still like Get on the Floor better though- it's my fav song from the album. smile
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Reply #135 posted 10/14/08 10:43pm

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Timmy84 said:

WaterInYourBath said:




Agreed! Even if Stevie Wonder wasn't associated with this song, I would still love it. It's rare to hear Michael sing such a lovely jazz-like song, and his vocals are fantastic.


I agree. The Supremes' Susaye Greene co-wrote "I Can't Help It". smile

damn! how many members did the Supreme have? lol
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Reply #136 posted 10/14/08 11:01pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:



I agree. The Supremes' Susaye Greene co-wrote "I Can't Help It". smile

damn! how many members did the Supreme have? lol


Florence Ballard
Mary Wilson
Diana Ross
Barbara Martin (a fourth member during the group's early years)
Cindy Birdsong (Flo's replacement)
Jean Terrell (Diana's replacement)
Lynda Laurence (Cindy's replacement)
Scherrie Payne (Jean's replacement)
Susaye Greene (Cindy's replacement after Cindy rejoined the group for a brief period)

Nine. smile
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Reply #137 posted 10/15/08 12:58am

SoulAlive

Marrk said:

'Girlfriend' sucks! mad

the only song i skip on otw.


Why does everyone hate "Girlfriend"? confuse I don't get it.I think it's a nice song.
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Reply #138 posted 10/15/08 7:40am

dseann

Cloudbuster said:

dseann said:



Singing your heart out to me is soulful rather than the oohing and aahing, ho's and hee hee hee that his singing has evolved into. Most of his songs on Off The Wall, a couple on Thriller (Billy Jean, Human Nature) and a few others (Liberian Girl, Who Is It, Will You Be There, Stranger In Moscow)have captured his true soul, most of the others I can't stand to listen to. Please tell me what the fuck he's singing in Blood On The Dance Floor, he seems to be singing with great feeling and emotion in that song as well but I fail to find the "soul" there.


So it has to be every track he sings in order to be considered soulful. Yeah, okay.


In my first post I clearly stated that the Off The Wall days was when "MOST" of Michael's songs had soul(especially on that album). So yes, I do take the soulful sound on a song by song basis.
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Reply #139 posted 10/15/08 7:41am

dseann

Cloudbuster said:

Cloudbuster said:



So it has to be every track he sings in order to be considered soulful. Yeah, okay.


Thinking about it, Invincible has plenty of believable, soulful performances on it and that's his most recent album, so...


Like what? Speechless? Butterflies? You Rock My World? I don't think so.
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Reply #140 posted 10/15/08 8:09am

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dseann said:

Cloudbuster said:



Thinking about it, Invincible has plenty of believable, soulful performances on it and that's his most recent album, so...


Like what? Speechless? Butterflies? You Rock My World? I don't think so.

I think songs like Butterflies, Don´t Walk Away, Whatever Happens do have soul.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #141 posted 10/15/08 8:35am

monk76

dag said:

dseann said:



Like what? Speechless? Butterflies? You Rock My World? I don't think so.

I think songs like Butterflies, Don´t Walk Away, Whatever Happens do have soul.



Not only that but I think Prince didn´t wrote or delivered a vocal performance that can stand next to songs like Butterflies or Whatever Happens.
Man if you compare Whatever Happens to Chelsea Rodgers. It´s like Mozart compared to Lenny Kravitz.Whatever Happens or Butterflies beat the shit out of
songs like Chelsea Rodgers,Planet Earth,Mr. Goodnight
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Reply #142 posted 10/15/08 8:42am

midnightmover

curioso said:

IMO there's nothing really complicated about I Can't Help It. The song obviously has a melody but it's just not memorable.
The song just coasts. There's no interesting change in rhythm, there's no bridge, no rousing buildups and it has cheesy sounding music. The verse and chorsus alternate and and there's no exciting changes within them.
The song had such a lack of ideas MJ was singing'dadada'.
The only thing I really like about that song is how MJ said baby. That was funny.

Before this thread I thought it was generally considered one of the worst 3 songs on Off The Wall.
Musically, Girlfriend and It's The Falling In Love smokes it.
What's so amazing about the vocal? To my ears there's a distinct lack of passion compared with other songs on the album.

If ever I wanted to define the word "ignorant", I'd use this post as an illustration.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Reply #143 posted 10/15/08 8:53am

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monk76 said:

dag said:


I think songs like Butterflies, Don´t Walk Away, Whatever Happens do have soul.



Not only that but I think Prince didn´t wrote or delivered a vocal performance that can stand next to songs like Butterflies or Whatever Happens.
Man if you compare Whatever Happens to Chelsea Rodgers. It´s like Mozart compared to Lenny Kravitz.Whatever Happens or Butterflies beat the shit out of
songs like Chelsea Rodgers,Planet Earth,Mr. Goodnight




Maybe you should start comparing slow jams instead. IMHO i think the song''Somewhere here In Earth'' is as good if not better(especially musically) than ''Butterflies'' but i have a feeling that you may prefer MJ whatever song i mention. Am I wrong???
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Reply #144 posted 10/15/08 8:54am

midnightmover

SoulAlive said:

Marrk said:

'Girlfriend' sucks! mad

the only song i skip on otw.


Why does everyone hate "Girlfriend"? confuse I don't get it.I think it's a nice song.

I think the hate for "Girlfriend" stems from Paul McCartney's slightly old fashioned melody. You could easily imagine him singing it in 1964 with John and the gang. Personally I have no problem with that, especially when you've got a band as cool as the one Quincy assembled to accompany it. I love the bounciness of "Girlfriend". I also think it's one of Mike's best vocal performances. His tone is just gorgeous. It's easily one of my favourite tracks on the album. I'd take that over a thousand "Burn This Disco Out"s
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Reply #145 posted 10/15/08 9:10am

monk76

kanamit said:

monk76 said:




Not only that but I think Prince didn´t wrote or delivered a vocal performance that can stand next to songs like Butterflies or Whatever Happens.
Man if you compare Whatever Happens to Chelsea Rodgers. It´s like Mozart compared to Lenny Kravitz.Whatever Happens or Butterflies beat the shit out of
songs like Chelsea Rodgers,Planet Earth,Mr. Goodnight




Maybe you should start comparing slow jams instead. IMHO i think the song''Somewhere here In Earth'' is as good if not better(especially musically) than ''Butterflies'' but i have a feeling that you may prefer MJ whatever song i mention. Am I wrong???


Somewhere here on Earth?? His voice is awful on this track.Maybe when Prince was in his "20s voice".. he would make this song a smash(the song is not bad but a power fantastic-prince would sing this so much better!!) but not with his voice right now. So many songs on his recent albums just Fade-Out .....
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Reply #146 posted 10/15/08 9:17am

shesoffthewall

dag said:

dseann said:



Like what? Speechless? Butterflies? You Rock My World? I don't think so.

I think songs like Butterflies, Don´t Walk Away, Whatever Happens do have soul.


"Heaven Can Wait" and "Break of Dawn" as well.
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Reply #147 posted 10/15/08 9:24am

shesoffthewall

SoulAlive said:

Marrk said:

'Girlfriend' sucks! mad

the only song i skip on otw.


Why does everyone hate "Girlfriend"? confuse I don't get it.I think it's a nice song.


It's an OK song. I think what turns me off from it is that it's so Paul McCartneyish.
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Reply #148 posted 10/15/08 9:24am

kanamit

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monk76 said:

kanamit said:





Maybe you should start comparing slow jams instead. IMHO i think the song''Somewhere here In Earth'' is as good if not better(especially musically) than ''Butterflies'' but i have a feeling that you may prefer MJ whatever song i mention. Am I wrong???


Somewhere here on Earth?? His voice is awful on this track.Maybe when Prince was in his "20s voice".. he would make this song a smash(the song is not bad but a power fantastic-prince would sing this so much better!!) but not with his voice right now. So many songs on his recent albums just Fade-Out .....
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You prove my point, no debate is possible with someone as blindly dedicated to MJ.Prince's voice is awful??? WTF??? eek
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Reply #149 posted 10/15/08 9:28am

shesoffthewall

Wow, we're comparing Prince to MJ gain. eek
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