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Reply #60 posted 10/08/08 3:18pm

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VoicesCarry said:

Have no clue why people would think she's on DRUGS. That's a new one. How malicious.

i've heard about janet and coke since the late 90s.
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Reply #61 posted 10/08/08 5:13pm

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ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:

No offense, but why does Janet need to explain anything more than that she is ill. This could be something they haven't diagnosed yet, or a serious illness. What if she had breast cancer - you want her to come out and say it just so she looks better to people who don't really give a shit about her anyway?

i could have sworn a couple years ago a Pop Diva was on a tour, and canceled it because she had breast cancer and everyone supported her so much. than she did a tour after she recovered that was similar to the last but different enough for her to tour places she had toured all ready plus make up the shows she missed. than she recorded another album and had another great tour.


that couldn't have really happened could it have?




please the public would be ok if that was the truth.


[Edited 10/8/08 15:23pm]


No shit the public would be OK with it - my POINT (which you failed to grasp) is that it is HER CHOICE to release information about sensitive health matters, and she should have the right to keep these matters private if she so wishes.
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Reply #62 posted 10/08/08 5:14pm

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ehuffnsd said:


i could have sworn a couple years ago a Pop Diva was on a tour, and canceled it because she had breast cancer and everyone supported her so much. than she did a tour after she recovered that was similar to the last but different enough for her to tour places she had toured all ready plus make up the shows she missed. than she recorded another album and had another great tour.


that couldn't have really happened could it have?




please the public would be ok if that was the truth.


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No shit the public would be OK with it - my POINT (which you failed to grasp) is that it is HER CHOICE to release information about sensitive health matters, and she should have the right to keep these matters private if she so wishes.


we other people have spent their hard earned cash to pay your damn bills you owe it to them to be honest.
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Reply #63 posted 10/08/08 5:15pm

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Janet doesn't OWE her fans shit. They got what they paid for - be it the music, the concert, whatever. Sorry, you don't own the individual simply because you bought her fucking CD's.
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Reply #64 posted 10/08/08 5:16pm

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VoicesCarry said:

Janet doesn't OWE her fans shit. They got what they paid for - be it the music, the concert, whatever. Sorry, you don't own the individual simply because you bought her fucking CD's.

we are her employeer.

if she's sick she needs to be honest with us.
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Reply #65 posted 10/08/08 5:20pm

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VoicesCarry said:

Janet doesn't OWE her fans shit. They got what they paid for - be it the music, the concert, whatever. Sorry, you don't own the individual simply because you bought her fucking CD's.



this is where we would have to agree to disagree- Janet does owe an explanation- it's not personal- simply professional

naw skipp that- it is personal with me- if I can rearrange my life to support you dammit give me an explanation- however simple!!!

no she didn't ask me to- but I did- and if myself along with 8 million other folks decided to stop- she probably would not have her career

i'm for stick up for my girl- but right is right and wrong is wrong!!!
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Reply #66 posted 10/08/08 5:29pm

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ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:

Janet doesn't OWE her fans shit. They got what they paid for - be it the music, the concert, whatever. Sorry, you don't own the individual simply because you bought her fucking CD's.

we are her employeer.

if she's sick she needs to be honest with us.


Sorry, you're not her employer. You are, however, the deciding factor in whether or not her employer decides to retain her services.

You can decide not to support her - but I would like that think that, as a fan, you would respect her humanity and right to privacy.

Her publicist has issued a statement of illness and that should be good enough.
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Reply #67 posted 10/08/08 5:32pm

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Evvy said:

VoicesCarry said:

Janet doesn't OWE her fans shit. They got what they paid for - be it the music, the concert, whatever. Sorry, you don't own the individual simply because you bought her fucking CD's.



this is where we would have to agree to disagree- Janet does owe an explanation- it's not personal- simply professional

naw skipp that- it is personal with me- if I can rearrange my life to support you dammit give me an explanation- however simple!!!

no she didn't ask me to- but I did- and if myself along with 8 million other folks decided to stop- she probably would not have her career

i'm for stick up for my girl- but right is right and wrong is wrong!!!


Not sure exactly what you want from her - she has already said she's ill. Does she need to give you constant updates on her pus and phlegm for you to be satisfied?
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Reply #68 posted 10/08/08 5:39pm

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ehuffnsd said:


we are her employeer.

if she's sick she needs to be honest with us.


Sorry, you're not her employer. You are, however, the deciding factor in whether or not her employer decides to retain her services.

You can decide not to support her - but I would like that think that, as a fan, you would respect her humanity and right to privacy.

Her publicist has issued a statement of illness and that should be good enough.


Yeah have to agree, its up to the artist what is told and what isnt, the only thing owed is your money back if the show is cancelled, they dont even owe you the "privellage" of rescheduling, though alot of artists do re-organize, sometimes it just cant happen. I have had a few shows cancelled in my concert going experience, once being Elton John, another being Adam Ant, Elton was able to re-book, however, adam, never came back to NYC to play a show, ever.

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Reply #69 posted 10/08/08 5:41pm

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Evvy said:




this is where we would have to agree to disagree- Janet does owe an explanation- it's not personal- simply professional

naw skipp that- it is personal with me- if I can rearrange my life to support you dammit give me an explanation- however simple!!!

no she didn't ask me to- but I did- and if myself along with 8 million other folks decided to stop- she probably would not have her career

i'm for stick up for my girl- but right is right and wrong is wrong!!!


Not sure exactly what you want from her - she has already said she's ill. Does she need to give you constant updates on her pus and phlegm for you to be satisfied?
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pus phlegm blood heartrate pulse weight the color of your stool - if what's affecting you affects me hell yeah- that vague mess ain't flyin with me- give me a creditable reason why if you are not hospitalized- you can't perform

break it down to me like i'm a 4 year old if necessary
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Reply #70 posted 10/08/08 5:42pm

VoicesCarry

Evvy said:

VoicesCarry said:



Not sure exactly what you want from her - she has already said she's ill. Does she need to give you constant updates on her pus and phlegm for you to be satisfied?
[Edited 10/8/08 17:32pm]


pus phlegm blood heartrate pulse weight the color of your stool - if what's affecting you affects me hell yeah- that vague mess ain't flyin with me- give me a creditable reason why if you are not hospitalized- you can't perform

break it down to me like i'm a 4 year old if necessary


eek confused Okay, then.
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Reply #71 posted 10/08/08 11:20pm

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ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:

Have no clue why people would think she's on DRUGS. That's a new one. How malicious.

i've heard about janet and coke since the late 90s.

Rene was the one on drugs,he was always in rehab. A doctor gave her liquid cocaine once without her knowledge. She was never on it
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Reply #72 posted 10/09/08 3:53am

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my homie in philly is in limbo... they won't refund his money yet because they haven't decided if that show will be cancelled..


the fans who have already seen the show should feel very fortunate lol Who knows what will happen with the other scheduled dates?
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Reply #73 posted 10/09/08 6:02am

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And Natalie is determined to tour even though it’s been advised that she continue to rest but she doesn’t want to disappoint her fans. She needs to take the rest of the year off.


Yeah,Natalie needs to take the rest of the year off.I heard some alarming news about her the other day.Her good friend,Quincy Jones,said that her condition is more serious than everybody thinks.He's urging her to see a special doctor/friend of his.I hope she listens to him!


What is LL supposed to say? I guess he’s disappointed because it eats into his promotion but what can he do? Fortunately he’s got other things going on.


speaking of opening acts....perhaps Janet should have asked her brothers to open for her lol I bet she would have no problem selling out arenas,if her reunited brothers were the opening act.
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Reply #74 posted 10/09/08 11:04am

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speaking of opening acts....perhaps Janet should have asked her brothers to open for her lol I bet she would have no problem selling out arenas,if her reunited brothers were the opening act.


Those brothers could not sell out the high school gym in Gary, In.
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Reply #75 posted 10/10/08 11:53am

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I wonder what all the HATERS are gona say tomorrow when she ROCKS in CT???
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Reply #76 posted 10/10/08 11:55am

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isthisdadawn said:

I wonder what all the HATERS are gona say tomorrow when she ROCKS in CT???

Define hater?
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Reply #77 posted 10/10/08 12:20pm

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Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:



speaking of opening acts....perhaps Janet should have asked her brothers to open for her lol I bet she would have no problem selling out arenas,if her reunited brothers were the opening act.


Those brothers could not sell out the high school gym in Gary, In.


evillol maybe the "trainwreck factor" would have helped sell tickets.If the Jackson brothers had their own reality show right now,I bet it would get sky high ratings!
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Reply #78 posted 10/10/08 12:22pm

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isthisdadawn said:

I wonder what all the HATERS are gona say tomorrow when she ROCKS in CT???

Define hater?


Someone like you dummy.
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Reply #79 posted 10/10/08 12:22pm

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SoulAlive said:

Graycap23 said:



Those brothers could not sell out the high school gym in Gary, In.


evillol maybe the "trainwreck factor" would have helped sell tickets.If the Jackson brothers had their own reality show right now,I bet it would get sky high ratings!

lol.....
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Reply #80 posted 10/11/08 10:02am

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isthisdadawn said:

I wonder what all the HATERS are gona say tomorrow when she ROCKS in CT???


Perhaps you spoke too soon? lol

seriously though....on the 'Tyra' show the other day,Janet revealed that she has been approached to do one of those Vegas/Celine Dion-type deals where she would perform at the same Vegas venue 5 nights a week or so.This would be a great idea for Janet.It would much easier,less stressful and she wouldn't have to travel all over the world.I really don't think Janet can handle the pressures of a grueling,months-long tour.The Rock Witchu Tour hasn't been running smoothly at all.
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Reply #81 posted 10/11/08 10:05am

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isthisdadawn said:

I wonder what all the HATERS are gona say tomorrow when she ROCKS in CT???


Perhaps you spoke too soon? lol

seriously though....on the 'Tyra' show the other day,Janet revealed that she has been approached to do one of those Vegas/Celine Dion-type deals where she would perform at the same Vegas venue 5 nights a week or so.This would be a great idea for Janet.It would be much easier,less stressful and she wouldn't have to travel all over the world.I really don't think Janet can handle the pressures of a grueling,months-long tour.The Rock Witchu Tour hasn't been running smoothly at all.
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Reply #82 posted 10/11/08 8:52pm

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SoulAlive said:

isthisdadawn said:

I wonder what all the HATERS are gona say tomorrow when she ROCKS in CT???


Perhaps you spoke too soon? lol

seriously though....on the 'Tyra' show the other day,Janet revealed that she has been approached to do one of those Vegas/Celine Dion-type deals where she would perform at the same Vegas venue 5 nights a week or so.This would be a great idea for Janet.It would much easier,less stressful and she wouldn't have to travel all over the world.I really don't think Janet can handle the pressures of a grueling,months-long tour.The Rock Witchu Tour hasn't been running smoothly at all.

I think a Vegas show would be too much for her. At least a traveling tour would end. A 3-year type of thing 5 night a week with the kind of dancing she does, I think it would be worse
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Reply #83 posted 10/13/08 6:09am

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LiquidGold said:

SoulAlive said:



Perhaps you spoke too soon? lol

seriously though....on the 'Tyra' show the other day,Janet revealed that she has been approached to do one of those Vegas/Celine Dion-type deals where she would perform at the same Vegas venue 5 nights a week or so.This would be a great idea for Janet.It would much easier,less stressful and she wouldn't have to travel all over the world.I really don't think Janet can handle the pressures of a grueling,months-long tour.The Rock Witchu Tour hasn't been running smoothly at all.

I think a Vegas show would be too much for her. At least a traveling tour would end. A 3-year type of thing 5 night a week with the kind of dancing she does, I think it would be worse


hmmm that's a good point.

She doesn't have too many more options left.Nobody buys CDs anymore.Touring is one of the main ways that a longtime artist can remain relevant and make alot of money.If touring doesn't work out for her,what's next?
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Reply #84 posted 10/13/08 6:26am

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Everybody's in bad shape these days. Even the hookers went up on their prices. lol



lol woot!

Janet: " I'm sick of "poor" ticket sales

consumer: I'm sick of being poor and trying to buy one of your tickets.
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Reply #85 posted 10/13/08 6:48am

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SoulAlive said:



Perhaps you spoke too soon? lol

seriously though....on the 'Tyra' show the other day,Janet revealed that she has been approached to do one of those Vegas/Celine Dion-type deals where she would perform at the same Vegas venue 5 nights a week or so.This would be a great idea for Janet.It would much easier,less stressful and she wouldn't have to travel all over the world.I really don't think Janet can handle the pressures of a grueling,months-long tour.The Rock Witchu Tour hasn't been running smoothly at all.

I think a Vegas show would be too much for her. At least a traveling tour would end. A 3-year type of thing 5 night a week with the kind of dancing she does, I think it would be worse


I don't agree at all. You wouldn't have to factor in the physical drain that comes with traveling and getting settled into a new accomdation and venue everyday 2 days. Remain stationary and do an entertaining 2 hour show by rote 5 nights a week. She's a veteran entertainer with 20+ years experience doing those hi-energy shows; as long as she has a clean bill of health I don't see why as an experienced professional she couldn't handle it. Plus, it wouldn't be that difficult for the art direction and choreography to be molded into a spectacle that's still visually entertaining, but accomadates her having having to pull this off 5 times a week. I have friends that do Broadway shows with 9 performances a week, full on dancing with obviouly no lip syncing. I'm sure with the appropriate vehicle tailored specifically for her talents (AND limitations), Janet could do just fine in the Vegas arena.
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Reply #86 posted 10/13/08 7:40am

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VoicesCarry said:

Janet doesn't OWE her fans shit. They got what they paid for - be it the music, the concert, whatever. Sorry, you don't own the individual simply because you bought her fucking CD's.

we are her employeer.

if she's sick she needs to be honest with us.

lol You must not be a Prince fan. lol
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Reply #87 posted 10/13/08 7:44am

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LiquidGold said:


I think a Vegas show would be too much for her. At least a traveling tour would end. A 3-year type of thing 5 night a week with the kind of dancing she does, I think it would be worse


I don't agree at all. You wouldn't have to factor in the physical drain that comes with traveling and getting settled into a new accomdation and venue everyday 2 days. Remain stationary and do an entertaining 2 hour show by rote 5 nights a week. She's a veteran entertainer with 20+ years experience doing those hi-energy shows; as long as she has a clean bill of health I don't see why as an experienced professional she couldn't handle it. Plus, it wouldn't be that difficult for the art direction and choreography to be molded into a spectacle that's still visually entertaining, but accomadates her having having to pull this off 5 times a week. I have friends that do Broadway shows with 9 performances a week, full on dancing with obviouly no lip syncing. I'm sure with the appropriate vehicle tailored specifically for her talents (AND limitations), Janet could do just fine in the Vegas arena.

Co-nod I've been saying this for ages. I think this would be the perfect medium for her type of show and she doesn't have to do it for 3 years. She could do it for 1 with an option for longer.
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Reply #88 posted 10/13/08 10:11pm

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Ottensen said:

LiquidGold said:


I think a Vegas show would be too much for her. At least a traveling tour would end. A 3-year type of thing 5 night a week with the kind of dancing she does, I think it would be worse


I don't agree at all. You wouldn't have to factor in the physical drain that comes with traveling and getting settled into a new accomdation and venue everyday 2 days. Remain stationary and do an entertaining 2 hour show by rote 5 nights a week. She's a veteran entertainer with 20+ years experience doing those hi-energy shows; as long as she has a clean bill of health I don't see why as an experienced professional she couldn't handle it. Plus, it wouldn't be that difficult for the art direction and choreography to be molded into a spectacle that's still visually entertaining, but accomadates her having having to pull this off 5 times a week. I have friends that do Broadway shows with 9 performances a week, full on dancing with obviouly no lip syncing. I'm sure with the appropriate vehicle tailored specifically for her talents (AND limitations), Janet could do just fine in the Vegas arena.

Most of the people who do Broadway shows stay in training constantly. When they're not hired for a show they are still taking voice/dance classes and auditioning. When Janet is not working...she's not working. I don't think she has the same stamina

I went to the L.A. show and I do not see her doing that 5 to 6 times a week. She would have to cut back on the dancing. She said something like she loses 3-5 pounds of water a show. Celine, Bette, and Cher don't do what Janet does. I've seen a lot of Vegas shows and they're not like a Janet show. What's messed up is people would go to a Janet Vegas show expecting her to do what she does on tour
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Reply #89 posted 10/14/08 5:25am

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Ottensen said:



I don't agree at all. You wouldn't have to factor in the physical drain that comes with traveling and getting settled into a new accomdation and venue everyday 2 days. Remain stationary and do an entertaining 2 hour show by rote 5 nights a week. She's a veteran entertainer with 20+ years experience doing those hi-energy shows; as long as she has a clean bill of health I don't see why as an experienced professional she couldn't handle it. Plus, it wouldn't be that difficult for the art direction and choreography to be molded into a spectacle that's still visually entertaining, but accomadates her having having to pull this off 5 times a week. I have friends that do Broadway shows with 9 performances a week, full on dancing with obviouly no lip syncing. I'm sure with the appropriate vehicle tailored specifically for her talents (AND limitations), Janet could do just fine in the Vegas arena.

Most of the people who do Broadway shows stay in training constantly. When they're not hired for a show they are still taking voice/dance classes and auditioning. When Janet is not working...she's not working. I don't think she has the same stamina

I went to the L.A. show and I do not see her doing that 5 to 6 times a week. She would have to cut back on the dancing. She said something like she loses 3-5 pounds of water a show. Celine, Bette, and Cher don't do what Janet does. I've seen a lot of Vegas shows and they're not like a Janet show. What's messed up is people would go to a Janet Vegas show expecting her to do what she does on tour


Maybe she should cut back on the dancing.This would free her to concentrate on her vocals.As artists get older,they need to chill out on the frenzied dancing anyway.That's why Madonna plays so much guitar during her recent tours....it allows her to stop,catch her breath,and take a break from all the dancing.No,I'm not saying that Janet should pick up a guitar (lol) but at her age,she probably won't be able to continue doing all that fast dancing.If Janet were to cut back on the dancing and allow her younger dancers to pick up the slack (like Cher does during her concerts),I think she'd be able to pull off a lengthy Vegas stint.
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