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Timbaland pushed Pharrell to do more songs with Madonna In an interview by Blackfile Pharrell talks about how Timbaland pushed him to do more then one record for Madonna. “Timbaland was pushing me, he was like ‘I like that one song you did’ and I was like yeah? And he was like ‘u gotta hear the album I did almost the whole thing’ and I was like Yeah?! Then Madonna kept teasing like ‘Tim Got More Sooongs Then You, Tim Got More Songs Then You’ and I was like.. Okay u aint gonna like me when I start turning green.. ”
http://www.youtube.com/wa...rg/page/2/ My newest theory is that Madonna and PW did Candy Shop together (their first song) and probably the eraly Beat Goes On version. Than Timbaland came in and they must have written many songs including Devil Wouldn't Reckognize, Voices, Miles Away and 4 Minutes (and probably Across The Sky) in April so he mocked PW, who started working on some demos for Madonna, Heartbeat, Spanish Lesson and Ring My Bell. In the second half of their working relationship Madonna worked on a few more other songs with Timbaland, and PW might have come up with She's Not Me, Give It 2 Me and the new Beat Goes On version and probably some others. So in the end PW had one more song on the album than Timbaland. And I like Pharrell's songs much more than Timbalands!! AGAIN, it would be soo cool to have some more songs from that album!! [Edited 9/24/08 4:11am] | |
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When Madonna works with multiple producers on an album,she likes to make it seem like a friendly competition  She wants them to compete with each other.She'll tell one producer "Check out this amazing song that I recorded with this person!".She does this to make sure that she gets some strong material from everybody.And she's not afraid to pick favorites,despite the fact that some feelings may get hurt.During the recording of 'Music',William Orbit submitted several tunes that weren't used.In the end,she used mostly songs recorded with Mirwais.The same thing happened with 'Hard Candy'.Timbaland came up with 10 songs but Madonna was more impressed with the Pharrell songs. | |
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graecophilos said: My newest theory is that Madonna and PW did Candy Shop together (their first song) and probably the early Beat Goes On version.
That's correct."Candy Shop" and the early version of "Beat Goes On" were the first tracks recorded for the album.She and Pharrell recorded these songs in early 2007 (probably January and February). Then Timbaland came in and they must have written many songs including Devil Wouldn't Recognize, Voices, Miles Away and 4 Minutes (and probably Across The Sky) in April
When Madonna entered the studio with Timbaland and Justin,she brought along some rough sketches of songs that she had already written: "Devil Wouldn't Recognize You" and "Voices".She wrote "Miles Away" with Justin and that was the first song that was recorded during these sessions. so he mocked PW, who started working on some demos for Madonna, Heartbeat, Spanish Lesson and Ring My Bell.
Did you know that "Incredible" was the final song added to the album? I like Pharrell's songs much more than Timbaland!!
Me too.I think his songs are a perfect fit for Madonna.They're retro-sounding and reminscent of her 80s work."Give It To Me",in particular,sounds just like a long-lost outtake from 'Like A Virgin'."Heartbeat","She's Not Me" and "Beat Goes On" sound like 80s Madonna songs with a slightly modern/urban twist. However,my favorite song on the album is "Miles Away",one of the Timbaland tracks!
AGAIN, it would be soo cool to have some more songs from that album!!
Warners is preparing the Greatest Hits CD.They should use one or two of the unreleased 'Hard Candy' tracks.It would be a shame to let those songs go to waste. | |
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Do you remember in spring 2007 when we heard rumors about the tracks that were recorded for the album? Remember these titles?
Sleep Deprivation Turn It Up Going Down Little Thang (with Justin Timberlake) It's The Beat (early version of "Beat Goes On") Tight Fit Black Off The Hook (featuring Timbaland) Candy Store Eleven Minutes (an early version of "4 Minutes"?) Do I Care Freelancer.34 (an unfinished instrumental interlude) U N'Me Starlight Hit It Hard Got This Down Right I don't know how many of these song titles are real.It's rumored that "Off The Hook" is one of two songs that Timbaland may use on his own upcoming album ("La La" is the other one). | |
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Don't forget that Hey You is a pharrell production. It was a reworking of Keep the trance. | |
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I agree with soulalive. The pharrell tracks are excellent. | |
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SoulAlive said: Do you remember in spring 2007 when we heard rumors about the tracks that were recorded for the album? Remember these titles?
Sleep Deprivation Turn It Up Going Down Little Thang (with Justin Timberlake) It's The Beat (early version of "Beat Goes On") Tight Fit Black Off The Hook (featuring Timbaland) Candy Store Eleven Minutes (an early version of "4 Minutes"?) Do I Care Freelancer.34 (an unfinished instrumental interlude) U N'Me Starlight Hit It Hard Got This Down Right I don't know how many of these song titles are real.It's rumored that "Off The Hook" is one of two songs that Timbaland may use on his own upcoming album ("La La" is the other one). Haha, SoulAlive I can see you and me are the only ones who actually love HC and are hoping for some leaks or b-sides. You're so righT! I forgot about Incredible. I didn't know it was the last song. From where do you know?? okay, Off The Hook I don't believe this. In an interview Timbaland said his songs with M were "off the chain". I think this is where that rumour's coming from!! The rest seems really fake to me. Especially 11 Minutes. From what both, Madonna and JT, told the song was obviously called 4 Minutes from the beginning! | |
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graecophilos said: SoulAlive said: Do you remember in spring 2007 when we heard rumors about the tracks that were recorded for the album? Remember these titles?
Sleep Deprivation Turn It Up Going Down Little Thang (with Justin Timberlake) It's The Beat (early version of "Beat Goes On") Tight Fit Black Off The Hook (featuring Timbaland) Candy Store Eleven Minutes (an early version of "4 Minutes"?) Do I Care Freelancer.34 (an unfinished instrumental interlude) U N'Me Starlight Hit It Hard Got This Down Right I don't know how many of these song titles are real.It's rumored that "Off The Hook" is one of two songs that Timbaland may use on his own upcoming album ("La La" is the other one). Haha, SoulAlive I can see you and me are the only ones who actually love HC and are hoping for some leaks or b-sides. You're so righT! I forgot about Incredible. I didn't know it was the last song. From where do you know?? okay, Off The Hook I don't believe this. In an interview Timbaland said his songs with M were "off the chain". I think this is where that rumour's coming from!! The rest seems really fake to me. Especially 11 Minutes. From what both, Madonna and JT, told the song was obviously called 4 Minutes from the beginning! What about me? | |
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SoulAlive said: When Madonna works with multiple producers on an album,she likes to make it seem like a friendly competition
She wants them to compete with each other.She'll tell one producer "Check out this amazing song that I recorded with this person!".She does this to make sure that she gets some strong material from everybody.And she's not afraid to pick favorites,despite the fact that some feelings may get hurt.During the recording of 'Music',William Orbit submitted several tunes that weren't used.In the end,she used mostly songs recorded with Mirwais.The same thing happened with 'Hard Candy'.Timbaland came up with 10 songs but Madonna was more impressed with the Pharrell songs.yeah, she always was doing that. I think the first time on the True Blue album!! The first song M wrote with Pat Leonard was "Love Makes The World Go Round" in 1985. I bet Steve Bray was pissed when another songwriter came in, haha!! Especially if you think how many Steve Bray songs had been left out (Pipeline, Each Time You Break My Heart, Spotlight, Working My Fingers To The Bones) More intersting it was on Like A Prayer, where Steve only got TWO song!! (I admit I love both!!) I'd die to hear the two known Steve Bray outtakes "First Is A Kiss" and ... how's teh other one called?? Madonna MUST have prefered writing with Pat Leonard in this stage of her career. Think of "Possessive Love" and "Just A Dream". Add this to the other songs with pat from LAP and who you got a whole album. Then of course she chose to work with PAT for Dick Tracy... Poor Steve Bray did not even get "Get Over" on the best of. Imagien how much money he DIDN't make with that song, haha!! But actually, most Steve Bray songs have the same chord change (In Into The Groove, Causing A Commotion, Over And Over and Keep It Together) and other migt as well. | |
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MikeMatronik said: graecophilos said: Haha, SoulAlive I can see you and me are the only ones who actually love HC and are hoping for some leaks or b-sides. You're so righT! I forgot about Incredible. I didn't know it was the last song. From where do you know?? okay, Off The Hook I don't believe this. In an interview Timbaland said his songs with M were "off the chain". I think this is where that rumour's coming from!! The rest seems really fake to me. Especially 11 Minutes. From what both, Madonna and JT, told the song was obviously called 4 Minutes from the beginning! I'm sorry, I didn't know you're in the club as well. Sorry What about me? | |
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BTW, I think "Ring My Bell" was written before She's Not Me. Both have the same chords...
From the PW demo-snippet of "Ring My Bell" it's not clear yet whether or not his song was called RMB as well (I still hope the guy who leaked the clips will give us the full demos at some point), but Madonna probably talked with Pharrell about the disco song with the same name (which has *surprise, surpirse* the same chord change!!!) and how much she liked it. Then I imagine Pharrell re-worked Anita Ward's "Ring My Bell" to She's Not Me, which is soooo inspired by the Anita Ward song! Interesting story, no? | |
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graecophilos said: BTW, I think "Ring My Bell" was written before She's Not Me. Both have the same chords...
From the PW demo-snippet of "Ring My Bell" it's not clear yet whether or not his song was called RMB as well (I still hope the guy who leaked the clips will give us the full demos at some point), but Madonna probably talked with Pharrell about the disco song with the same name (which has *surprise, surpirse* the same chord change!!!) and how much she liked it. Then I imagine Pharrell re-worked Anita Ward's "Ring My Bell" to She's Not Me, which is soooo inspired by the Anita Ward song! Interesting story, no? She's not me is the best song prince never produced imo. Personnally I think Ring my bell is b-side material. While Spanish lesson is very good song, even tough all the fans hate it, I truly like it. I think Hard Candy would have worked better as an album if they used the Promo tour mix of Candy Shop, deleted 4 minutes out of the tracklist and had the orchestral version of Voices in it | |
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Talking about impressions...I think dance 2night is one of the gems of the set. It's clearly a madonna/jt colab. | |
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graecophilos said: SoulAlive said: Do you remember in spring 2007 when we heard rumors about the tracks that were recorded for the album? Remember these titles?
Sleep Deprivation Turn It Up Going Down Little Thang (with Justin Timberlake) It's The Beat (early version of "Beat Goes On") Tight Fit Black Off The Hook (featuring Timbaland) Candy Store Eleven Minutes (an early version of "4 Minutes"?) Do I Care Freelancer.34 (an unfinished instrumental interlude) U N'Me Starlight Hit It Hard Got This Down Right I don't know how many of these song titles are real.It's rumored that "Off The Hook" is one of two songs that Timbaland may use on his own upcoming album ("La La" is the other one). Haha, SoulAlive I can see you and me are the only ones who actually love HC and are hoping for some leaks or b-sides. You're so righT! I forgot about Incredible. I didn't know it was the last song. From where do you know?? okay, Off The Hook I don't believe this. In an interview Timbaland said his songs with M were "off the chain". I think this is where that rumour's coming from!! The rest seems really fake to me. Especially 11 Minutes. From what both, Madonna and JT, told the song was obviously called 4 Minutes from the beginning! I can't recall where I read it,but "Incredible" is said to be a last-minute addition to the album.It was recorded in the final phase of production (sometime after September 2007). Yeah,"11 Minutes" sounds like a fake title.... we only got 11 minutes to save the world! | |
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graecophilos said: SoulAlive said: When Madonna works with multiple producers on an album,she likes to make it seem like a friendly competition
She wants them to compete with each other.She'll tell one producer "Check out this amazing song that I recorded with this person!".She does this to make sure that she gets some strong material from everybody.And she's not afraid to pick favorites,despite the fact that some feelings may get hurt.During the recording of 'Music',William Orbit submitted several tunes that weren't used.In the end,she used mostly songs recorded with Mirwais.The same thing happened with 'Hard Candy'.Timbaland came up with 10 songs but Madonna was more impressed with the Pharrell songs.yeah, she always was doing that. I think the first time on the True Blue album!! The first song M wrote with Pat Leonard was "Love Makes The World Go Round" in 1985. I bet Steve Bray was pissed when another songwriter came in, haha!! Especially if you think how many Steve Bray songs had been left out (Pipeline, Each Time You Break My Heart, Spotlight, Working My Fingers To The Bones) More intersting it was on Like A Prayer, where Steve only got TWO song!! (I admit I love both!!) I'd die to hear the two known Steve Bray outtakes "First Is A Kiss" and ... how's the other one called?? Madonna MUST have prefered writing with Pat Leonard in this stage of her career. Think of "Possessive Love" and "Just A Dream". Add this to the other songs with pat from LAP and who you got a whole album. Then of course she chose to work with PAT for Dick Tracy... Poor Steve Bray did not even get "Get Over" on the best of. Imagien how much money he DIDN't make with that song, haha!! But actually, most Steve Bray songs have the same chord change (In Into The Groove, Causing A Commotion, Over And Over and Keep It Together) and other might as well. "Love Attack" is the title of that LAP outtake  | |
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I think madonna should have left Timbaland and only had used JT and Danja! | |
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SoulAlive said: graecophilos said: yeah, she always was doing that. I think the first time on the True Blue album!! The first song M wrote with Pat Leonard was "Love Makes The World Go Round" in 1985. I bet Steve Bray was pissed when another songwriter came in, haha!! Especially if you think how many Steve Bray songs had been left out (Pipeline, Each Time You Break My Heart, Spotlight, Working My Fingers To The Bones) More intersting it was on Like A Prayer, where Steve only got TWO song!! (I admit I love both!!) I'd die to hear the two known Steve Bray outtakes "First Is A Kiss" and ... how's the other one called?? Madonna MUST have prefered writing with Pat Leonard in this stage of her career. Think of "Possessive Love" and "Just A Dream". Add this to the other songs with pat from LAP and who you got a whole album. Then of course she chose to work with PAT for Dick Tracy... Poor Steve Bray did not even get "Get Over" on the best of. Imagien how much money he DIDN't make with that song, haha!! But actually, most Steve Bray songs have the same chord change (In Into The Groove, Causing A Commotion, Over And Over and Keep It Together) and other might as well. "Love Attack" is the title of that LAP outtake Did madonna actually record By Alien means? | |
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MikeMatronik said: Talking about impressions...I think dance 2night is one of the gems of the set. It's clearly a madonna/jt colab.
"Dance 2Night" is straight from the early 80s.It captures that era/sound very well.Too bad she's not performing it on her tour  | |
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MikeMatronik said: Did madonna actually record By Alien Means?
I have no idea.I know that Prince's demo version is floating around out there but I don't know if Madonna ever recorded her own version. | |
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SoulAlive said: MikeMatronik said: Talking about impressions...I think dance 2night is one of the gems of the set. It's clearly a madonna/jt colab.
"Dance 2Night" is straight from the early 80s.It captures that era/sound very well.Too bad she's not performing it on her tour david u will go insane with HC songs in a live context. Heartbeat and She's not me are better than an orgasm | |
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SoulAlive said: MikeMatronik said: Did madonna actually record By Alien Means?
I have no idea.I know that Prince's demo version is floating around out there but I don't know if Madonna ever recorded her own version. I'd love have had more Madonna/Prince songs. I must the only human that simply adores "Love Song" | |
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MikeMatronik said: She's not me is the best song prince never produced imo.
Wendy's funky guitar playing is great 
Personnally I think Ring my bell is b-side material. While Spanish lesson is very good song, even though all the fans hate it, I truly like it.
I agree with you about "Ring My Bell".That song is B-side material and I think it was the right decision to leave it off the album."Spanish Lesson",I don't like.I like the idea of Madonna doing a latin dance track,but I wish she had done it right. I think Hard Candy would have worked better as an album if they used the Promo tour mix of Candy Shop, deleted 4 minutes out of the tracklist and had the orchestral version of Voices in it
 I think the album would have worked better if the songs "Spanish Lesson" and "Voices" were removed and replaced with two funky Timbaland jams.[Edited 9/24/08 5:44am] | |
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MikeMatronik said: SoulAlive said: "Dance 2Night" is straight from the early 80s.It captures that era/sound very well.Too bad she's not performing it on her tour david u will go insane with HC songs in a live context. Heartbeat and She's not me are better than an orgasm November can't come fast enough for me! | |
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MikeMatronik said: SoulAlive said: I have no idea.I know that Prince's demo version is floating around out there but I don't know if Madonna ever recorded her own version. I'd love have had more Madonna/Prince songs. I must the only human that simply adores "Love Song" There's a rumor that in 1995,Prince and Madonna recorded two more duets together: "Mad" and "Funk Of A Thousand Years" I'm assuming that this rumor is fake,since those songs have never leaked. | |
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SoulAlive said: MikeMatronik said: She's not me is the best song prince never produced imo.
Wendy's funky guitar playing is great
I agree with you about "Ring My Bell".That song is B-side material and I think it was the right decision to leave it off the album."Spanish Lesson",I don't like.I like the idea of Madonna doing a latin dance track,but I wish she had done it right. I think Hard Candy would have worked better as an album if they used the Promo tour mix of Candy Shop, deleted 4 minutes out of the tracklist and had the orchestral version of Voices in it
Are u being a mariah fan? (aka crazy!) Spanish lessons is great. It's one of those madonna oddities...just like Bowie's Tonight, that are addictive I think the album would have worked better if the songs "Spanish Lesson" and "Voices" were removed and replaced with two funky Timbaland jams.
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SoulAlive said: MikeMatronik said: I'd love have had more Madonna/Prince songs. I must the only human that simply adores "Love Song" There's a rumor that in 1995,Prince and Madonna recorded two more duets together: "Mad" and "Funk Of A Thousand Years" I'm assuming that this rumor is fake,since those songs have never leaked. For the Robert Rodriguez movie.... Well I have to versions of Mad. One is a the solo npg version(from a early config of Exodus) and the prince solo version that is very Newpower soul-ish | |
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MikeMatronik said: SoulAlive said: There's a rumor that in 1995,Prince and Madonna recorded two more duets together: "Mad" and "Funk Of A Thousand Years" I'm assuming that this rumor is fake,since those songs have never leaked. For the Robert Rodriguez movie.... Well I have to versions of Mad. One is a the solo npg version(from a early config of Exodus) and the prince solo version that is very Newpower soul-ish Yeah I have those two versions of "Mad" too.I can't imagine it being a duet with Madonna. | |
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By Alien Means was not recorded with Madonna.
Well, you both (Mike and David) have intersting thoughts. I admit I really like Voices. When we first heard the snippets I thoght it was the weakest song along with Incredible (the snippet only was 30 sec of the first half!). Voices has his own charm I think. I totally dislike Spanish Lesson. I like Ring My Bell more though I agree, it was born to be a b-side. Since I like fast and funky songs I'm with David and wished he would have used more fast Timbaland tracks. Although I'm sure they're not as good as we wished, haha!!! I gotta dmit I'm a bit disapointed by Dance 2Nite. I consider the verse melody weak. The chorus is great though, reminds me of Shalamar or Delegation. | |
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Man this album was in my opinion her best she ever gave. I really do hope for a expanded tour edition like Confessions. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: Man this album was in my opinion her best she ever gave. I really do hope for a expanded tour edition like Confessions.
yeah, I think it's her best pop album!! Unfortunately most of her fans prefer Euro-pop and LOATHE Hard Candy!! You should see them moaninga dn weeping over this "awful" era. | |
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