Cloudbuster said:

I'm trying to see if there are other fans who feel as I do Surely I can't be the only one...lol...

Thing is, tho, whatever he does he'll recieve critisism for it.For years people had been wanting him to go back to his old soulful sound, yet when he did (Invincible) he got trashed anyway.

After reading reviews for that album I was preparing myself for one of the worst records ever made.But I actaully think it's one of the very best that he's put his name to.

If he went back to an Off The Wall type sound with a full band people would slag him off for not trying something new and relying on old tricks to sell new songs.

They'd say he was out of touch with modern music and simply rehashing past glories. He can't win.

Besides, I'd rather him not go back there anyway. I want new sounds from him. Not Destiny and Off The Wall revisited, even if they are two of my favourites.

Whoa,back up! Let's not get crazy here.Sure,there are a couple of songs on 'Invincible' that are reminiscent of his 'OTW' sound,but it's a stretch to say that the album is a return to his "old soulful sound".That's why I was saying that he should "go all the way" with a retro/funk/soul sound and let's face it,he won't be able to do that with the producers that he's working with now.

Yes,he can win,if he would only lower his expectations and make music that's genuine without worrying about the charts.

When you say you want "new sounds" from him,surely you aren't referring to music produced by Ne-Yo or will.i.am? Is that really the "new sounds" you want from him?

Are you kidding? I think most people would applaud him if he went back to his roots and made music that feels genuine and sincere.The general consensus among many people is that,hip-hop/modern-day urban music is not his style.It feels forced.

SoulAlive said:

And with this one you're only kidding yourself. This is MJ we're talking about. He's gonna ripped on no matter what he does.
Let's not pretend otherwise.

Cloudbuster said:

Nearly every longtime artist gets criticized when they release new music,especially when they try to "update" their sound.But many artists get alot of respect and praise when they go back to their roots and make music that feels genuine and from the heart.Look at all the rave reviews that Al Green has received for his latest CD.

SoulAlive said:

But Al Green isn't Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying.

And quit this "genuine" shit, will ya?
That's like saying Prince stopped being genuine when he went from the soul/funk Prince album to the new wave inspired Dirty Mind.
If Prince can make different kinds of music and be considered genuine then so can everyone else.

I honestly don't feel that much of MJ's recent music is "genuine".I doubt that he even likes the music produced by Ne-Yo and will.i.am.He's just working with them because their music is "hot" and he wants to remain popular.It's not the music he truly wants to make,imo.

SoulAlive said:

We'll agree to disagree.

I'm getting bored with this discussion.Any news on Bee Gees remasters?

You just want me to agree with you, that's all.

And in answer to your question... No, just more delays.

Deep down inside,you do agree with me You know I'm right.

ElectricBlue said:

If it´s that easy, why don´t you do it yourself?

I am sick and tired of this MJ bashing and questioning his talent. Sade hasn´t released anything in ages, do we question her talent? No. Prince has released ton´s of stuff - hardly any great ones recently. Do we question his talent? No.

MJ´s not chasing Thriller sales. He wants the album to be great¨and he knows he HAS to. Answer this question for yourself honestly? Would you be happy with anything average from him? Of course, not. So don´t pretend you want him to release just anything as long as it´s released now.

WHY does anyone else have to work on this album but Michael Jackson??? If this guy 1/16th of the talent he pretends to have he wouldnt need producers - other people's ideas.

Do it yourself!

Turn you mic on and just sing - isnt it sad that this guy is respected and we dont have 100% proof he can actually sing anymore or lets be honest for the last 20 years! Sure he can carry a tune but that tune never sounds in key and its never like the album.

So simple...

Walk on Stage.
Go to the Mic.
TURN THE MIC ON.
and...
Sing.

Simple.

Question:

Why doesnt he do it?

No Gimmicks.

If he could do that he wouldnt need a new album. A new album that SOMEONE else is going to make and MJ is just going to put his name on it.

ElectricBlue said:

If it´s that easy, why don´t you do it yourself?

I am sick and tired of this MJ bashing and questioning his talent. Sade hasn´t released anything in ages, do we question her talent? No. Prince has released ton´s of stuff - hardly any great ones recently. Do we question his talent? No.

MJ´s not chasing Thriller sales. He wants the album to be great¨and he knows he HAS to. Answer this question for yourself honestly? Would you be happy with anything average from him? Of course, not. So don´t pretend you want him to release just anything as long as it´s released now.

I'm really not sure what you mean by "genuine"

For once, try to make a point without throwing Prince in there. MJ and Prince went in separate directions 25 years ago. Prince is all about music and MJ hates it. Understandable since old Joe crammed it down his throat-- and he's been choking on it ever since. Talent was never the question

People don't rip Sade because we never expected anything from her on the level of MJ-- hell, she's a glorified lounge singer. A damned good one though lol People don't rip Prince the same way because he's still trying and whatever he's lost in the studio it hasn't affected him on the stage.

That´s right. What is genuine? Does it mean that the music expresses passionately the lyrics? If that´s what it is that MJ´s VERY genuine. Listen to Stranger in Moscow. Earth Song, Dirty Diana, We´ve had enough. Little Susie and tell me those songs aren´t powerful and don´t express the lyrics enough.
If genuine means that it´s personal than Mike´s done that, too. Childhood, Stranger in Moscow, Scream, Tabloid Junkie. His later work is much more genuine than his "early" solo stuff like Thriller where MJ did not pretend that he also wants to tell stories with his music and stressed that it´s not always personal.


We´re on the Prince board, so why not through in Prince. BTW, I think I am the last one over here to creat threads to compare these two that seem to be appear on this board here and there.


Yeah, I know that people do not expect of other artists what they expect of MJ. I find interesting the fact that many people have been questioning his talent and at the same time they expect the most of him . That´s contradictory to me.
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^ his and quincy jones? Is there a demo of APOM or are you talking about the demo version used at the end of Captain EO?

alphastreet said:

I doubt he pust a DEMO version of one of his songs in a movie!!

It's just that he wrote the song in 1984 or 85 and produced it in his style.

Later Quincy redid the song and his version is far superior.

graecophilos said:

well it was still an early version of APOM, where can I hear the 84/85 version? Or is it just something that existed the way Liberian Girl/Pyramid Girl did in 1984?

timbo and mj seems to be hooking up , timbo might be a guarantee for a hit but is it the kind of song we want from mj? i gues timbo wants it to be a hit too because he would be dubbed as the man who brought mj " back

ElectricBlue said:

Jackson is a good but not a great producer. He own Quincy Jones A LOT. Just listen to his and QJ's productions of "Another Part Of Me".

graecophilos said:

MJ is a great producer, "starnger in moscow " is the prime example, I think some fans here should check the man's history before talking basless crap about him, People just want to bash the man, its really getting annoying.