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PrintableAnxiety said: Bewdy said: What a truly bizarre place the world is, where a man can declare himself not only to be gay, but also father of a new born child, while at the same time claiming to be a born again christian?!?
mccain should have chosen him as a running mate.  oh, if only!  My Legacy
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Next thing you know, he'll be announcing he was on American Idol.
Why bother even saying it if it's already common knowledge? It's like Lance Bass of *N SYNC's coming out. Why'd HE bother? Everyone who'd been paying attention figured that out years ago anyways. Maybe it's a personal issue though -it's not "real" until they say it outloud themselves. And I get that, I really do. But Lance really should have stayed away from prattling off about how tough it was to be gay and in a boyband. I'm not going to get into details here into hwo I know, but I happen to know that even if a guy's career doesn't enable him to come out publicly, being in a boyband is probably one of the safest environments you could pick. Geez Lance... "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Gaykin was in what i like to call a "glass closet". what i mean i that they're deeply in the closet, but everone can see them because the closet is made of glass and can see right in it. the only person who's shocked about this is his mother, everyone else knew. Join me under the waterfall
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While it's not surprising at all, I really give him props for coming out. I remember what it was like to come out to my relatives and it SCARY and that's putting it mildly. To have it all for the world to see just puts 10 times more pressure on an already sensitive topic. I saw his interview witht Diane Sawyer this morning on GMA and I actually respect him more cause some of his experiences mirrored mine. I say good for him for coming out when he was ready to and I hope that he's a great father to his son.
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While I do think it’s brave and liberating to come out, why does it need to be an announcement? Why does the world need to know you’re gay? Who cares? But then I’m the same person that thinks asking people ‘what are you?’ is weird. Who cares what someone’s ethnic or racial makeup is only so they can pigeon hole or classify them in some way or satisfy their own hang ups or curiosities. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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In situations like Clay, I wouldn't say 'coming out' so much as 'fessing up'. | |
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JackieBlue said: While I do think it’s brave and liberating to come out, why does it need to be an announcement? Why does the world need to know you’re gay? Who cares? But then I’m the same person that thinks asking people ‘what are you?’ is weird. Who cares what someone’s ethnic or racial makeup is only so they can pigeon hole or classify them in some way or satisfy their own hang ups or curiosities.
I completely agree, why announce it? On the one hand as a society we now come to expect that it's completely normal and OK to be gay, then on the other hand it gets a front page cover story, and accolades from people saying well done. Positive discrimination it seems. Lets all be gay! Then it will be a story if someones actually straight. | |
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totaldiva said: Did he REALLY need to come out of the closet. I knew he was a screaming queen on American Idol. As my girl Wendy Williams would say, "HOWUDOIN"?
Was he ever IN the closet? Sh!t, even Stevie Wonder could tell this cat's gay. |
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Imago said: In situations like Clay, I wouldn't say 'coming out' so much as 'fessing up'.
i wouldn't even call it "fessing up". i'd call it "clarifying". but it's refreshing. it's like when dolly parton makes jokes about her wigs and her plastic surgery. they know we know. it's just nice when they acknowledge the fact. | |
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Bewdy said: JackieBlue said: While I do think it’s brave and liberating to come out, why does it need to be an announcement? Why does the world need to know you’re gay? Who cares? But then I’m the same person that thinks asking people ‘what are you?’ is weird. Who cares what someone’s ethnic or racial makeup is only so they can pigeon hole or classify them in some way or satisfy their own hang ups or curiosities.
I completely agree, why announce it? On the one hand as a society we now come to expect that it's completely normal and OK to be gay, then on the other hand it gets a front page cover story, and accolades from people saying well done. Positive discrimination it seems. Lets all be gay! Then it will be a story if someones actually straight. Society does not say yet that it's completely normal and okay to be gay. Witness the uncountable thousands who hide behind religious belief in their bigotry. Witness the thousands of gay people in Canada and America that daily face the threat of violence. It's okay to be gay in our society? Tell that to Matthew Shepherd's family. Generally I'd say coming out is still a necessary step in terms of personal identity and one's place in society. BUT I have to question why Clay Aiken bothered. Everyone already knew. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Is He top or bottom?
Or he is a carot top.... Get it! [Edited 9/25/08 15:48pm] | |
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meow85 said: Bewdy said: I completely agree, why announce it? On the one hand as a society we now come to expect that it's completely normal and OK to be gay, then on the other hand it gets a front page cover story, and accolades from people saying well done. Positive discrimination it seems. Lets all be gay! Then it will be a story if someones actually straight. Society does not say yet that it's completely normal and okay to be gay. Witness the uncountable thousands who hide behind religious belief in their bigotry. Witness the thousands of gay people in Canada and America that daily face the threat of violence. It's okay to be gay in our society? Tell that to Matthew Shepherd's family. Generally I'd say coming out is still a necessary step in terms of personal identity and one's place in society. BUT I have to question why Clay Aiken bothered. Everyone already knew. i look forward to a time when people can casually talk about their same-sex partners the way we're used to people talking about their husbands and wives of the opposite sex, with the general reaction being non-chalant. i don't believe in the whole "don't tell because it's nobody's business" philosophy. i DO believe in the "don't be afraid to tell when it is relevant" attitude. | |
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Yeah, I've never gotten that mentality. "You shouldn't say what you are because it's nobody's business and your private life should be kept private." But no one has a problem when straight people babble on about who they're fucking and who they're dating. There are different ways to come out. I think Clay felt the need to address his fans this way, as he is a public figure. Someone else can come out just by name-dropping their partner at the appropriate time. Different strokes. | |
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Timmy84 said: Bewdy said: WTF? where did he get that baby from then? ugh, i thought if you were gay you didn't have sex with girlies? Artificial insemination. I can't really picture him pregnant  Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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Nikademus said: Timmy84 said: Artificial insemination. I can't really picture him pregnant I meant the surrogate mother.  | |
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Timmy84 said: 
Clay is gay: Aiken comes out of the closet "aint no fun if the homies cant have none." | |
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Christopher said: Timmy84 said:
Clay is gay: Aiken comes out of the closet "aint no fun if the homies cant have none." 
I saw you listening to Clay's anthem over in the other thread | |
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VoicesCarry said: Yeah, I've never gotten that mentality. "You shouldn't say what you are because it's nobody's business and your private life should be kept private." But no one has a problem when straight people babble on about who they're fucking and who they're dating. There are different ways to come out. I think Clay felt the need to address his fans this way, as he is a public figure. Someone else can come out just by name-dropping their partner at the appropriate time. Different strokes.
exactly. i was goofing on lindsay lohan, but i think the generation of people for whom she is relevant are a lot more blase about homosexuality than the people who make up clay aiken's fan demographic. whereas lindsay can just casually start frolicking in public with her girlfriend and her teenage fans are all like "whatever", i can see how clay aiken would have to break it down to the middle aged midwestern housewife demographic. | |
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Anxiety said: meow85 said: Society does not say yet that it's completely normal and okay to be gay. Witness the uncountable thousands who hide behind religious belief in their bigotry. Witness the thousands of gay people in Canada and America that daily face the threat of violence. It's okay to be gay in our society? Tell that to Matthew Shepherd's family. Generally I'd say coming out is still a necessary step in terms of personal identity and one's place in society. BUT I have to question why Clay Aiken bothered. Everyone already knew. i look forward to a time when people can casually talk about their same-sex partners the way we're used to people talking about their husbands and wives of the opposite sex, with the general reaction being non-chalant. i don't believe in the whole "don't tell because it's nobody's business" philosophy. i DO believe in the "don't be afraid to tell when it is relevant" attitude.
I'm by no means a Lohan fan, but I really respect how Lindsay Lohan's handled this whole girlfriend business. She just treats it as matter of fact that if people don't know, they will sooner or later -just like straight people get to do everyday with their opposite-sex partners. She doesn't make a big deal out of it, but she doesn't hide it either. Someday we'll all get a chance to do that. Go Lindsay! "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Anxiety said: VoicesCarry said: Yeah, I've never gotten that mentality. "You shouldn't say what you are because it's nobody's business and your private life should be kept private." But no one has a problem when straight people babble on about who they're fucking and who they're dating. There are different ways to come out. I think Clay felt the need to address his fans this way, as he is a public figure. Someone else can come out just by name-dropping their partner at the appropriate time. Different strokes.
exactly. i was goofing on lindsay lohan, but i think the generation of people for whom she is relevant are a lot more blase about homosexuality than the people who make up clay aiken's fan demographic. whereas lindsay can just casually start frolicking in public with her girlfriend and her teenage fans are all like "whatever", i can see how clay aiken would have to break it down to the middle aged midwestern housewife demographic. The thing is, I can't understand how anyone -no matter how sheltered and middle America -could possibly have mistaken Aiken for anything but gay. I question why he came out not because I don't think he shouldn't have that right, but because I didn't think there was anyone who would honestly be surprised. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Anxiety said: exactly. i was goofing on lindsay lohan, but i think the generation of people for whom she is relevant are a lot more blase about homosexuality than the people who make up clay aiken's fan demographic. whereas lindsay can just casually start frolicking in public with her girlfriend and her teenage fans are all like "whatever", i can see how clay aiken would have to break it down to the middle aged midwestern housewife demographic. The thing is, I can't understand how anyone -no matter how sheltered and middle America -could possibly have mistaken Aiken for anything but gay. I question why he came out not because I don't think he shouldn't have that right, but because I didn't think there was anyone who would honestly be surprised. There are still people who believe homosexuality is a choice and every gay person is going straight to hell. With this in mind, is it any wonder there are people who didn't believe Clay was gay? If homosexuality doesn't exist for in their little worlds, how can they possibly identify it? A whole generation thought Liberace was straight. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug. [Edited 9/26/08 15:17pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: meow85 said: The thing is, I can't understand how anyone -no matter how sheltered and middle America -could possibly have mistaken Aiken for anything but gay. I question why he came out not because I don't think he shouldn't have that right, but because I didn't think there was anyone who would honestly be surprised. There are still people who believe homosexuality is a choice and every gay person is going straight to hell. With this in mind, is it any wonder there are people who didn't believe Clay was gay? If homosexuality doesn't exist for in their little worlds, how can they possibly identify it? A whole generation thought Liberace was straight. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug. [Edited 9/26/08 15:17pm] And Little Richard...and Freddie Mercury.... What I don't understand is, if certain people are so ready to demonize gays, shouldn't they know how to identify the "enemy"? It's not as if Clay was some butch construction worker that would've jammed the most accurate of gaydars. My grandma knew he was gay, for God's sake, and she's not exactly the most progressive person out there. I still remember watching TV with her a while ago, and a ad for ET came on featuring a clip of Aiken. Nana looked at the TV quietly for a while, and when the clip ended looked at me and said "That one likes to dance with men, doesn't he?" "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: VoicesCarry said: There are still people who believe homosexuality is a choice and every gay person is going straight to hell. With this in mind, is it any wonder there are people who didn't believe Clay was gay? If homosexuality doesn't exist for in their little worlds, how can they possibly identify it? A whole generation thought Liberace was straight. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug. [Edited 9/26/08 15:17pm] And Little Richard...and Freddie Mercury.... What I don't understand is, if certain people are so ready to demonize gays, shouldn't they know how to identify the "enemy"? It's not as if Clay was some butch construction worker that would've jammed the most accurate of gaydars. My grandma knew he was gay, for God's sake, and she's not exactly the most progressive person out there. I still remember watching TV with her a while ago, and a ad for ET came on featuring a clip of Aiken. Nana looked at the TV quietly for a while, and when the clip ended looked at me and said "That one likes to dance with men, doesn't he?" Some people can't add 2 and 2. Some people have no common sense. I'm through trying to figure out what people should know | |
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The thing is that in either respect, this shouldnt be topic for magazine covers, its like "who the fuck cares" and also "we knew this already". But in all respects these actions are purely for "attention" and some sort of boost in popularity. I mean we all knew he was gay, and im sure everyone in his life knew it, and im sure his mother knew also, so what else is could be the motive than to sell some magazines, gain back some attention, sell some records etc...
The thing is that people forget that times have really changed, though we still have racism, and homophobia in various circles, this will not hurt Clay's "career" nor should it, but back in the day Elton John saying he was "bi" cost him album sales, ALOT of sales, and Paul McCartney admitting drug use cost him alot of sales, now these admissions get you talk show time, and a HUGE boost in sales. I talked to a label rep at Clay's label, and he said his albums showed a 300% spike in sales the next day. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Well it's certainly not a suprise but good for Clay. I know it must feel like a huge burden has been lifted off his shoulders now. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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Clay is just fronting. He and Barry Manilow have a harem of blue haired ladies who'll do anything for them. It's some kind of adult contemporary pimping.
Wait until they redo "The Girl Is Mine". "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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SUPRMAN said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Source! Link! Don't believe til the media confirms!
ROFLMAO . . . It's all over . . . . Lindsay Lohan finally admits dating Samantha Ronson lindsayadmitssamgay.jpg It's like a big ole coming out party! First Clay Aiken admits he's gay, now Lindsay Lohan is tumbling right out of the closet. As if we didn't already know that Clay is gay and Lindsay is a lesbian, the two singers have finally come out of the closet. While appearing on the radioshow "Loveline" to speak with DJ Stryker about DJ AM's plane crash, Stryker asked how long Lindsay had been with her girlfriend Samantha Ronson. Lohan replied with, "A very long time." Stryker wished the two girls the best of luck. Lindsay and Samatha join such other high-profile lesbian couples as Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi and Cynthia Nixon and Sarah Paulson on the Hollywood circuit. Congrats to Lindsay and Samantha. Welcome to family Lohan! " Posted by Charles Winters on September 23, 2008 5:01 PM Clay Aiken Comes Out For the first time, former American Idol star and new daddy Clay Aiken admits he's gay Tuesday, September 23, 2008 Daily Entertainment Photos - "Get the latest celeb gossip!" American Idol Clay Aiken graces the cover of People magazine's new issue, telling the mag that he is gay. "I cannot raise a child to lie or hide things," he is quoted as saying. Aiken became a father to son Parker Foster Aiken in August. His longtime friend Jaymes Foster, 50, became pregnant through in vitro fertilization. Photo Copyright Getty Images Copyright © 2003-2008 Clear Channel. All rights reserved. [Edited 9/23/08 14:50pm] In a year, lindsay will be just another Hasbian.  | |
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HE'S SO DISGUSTING AND UGLY. I WISH HE'D DIE OFF. |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said:  Wow. . . he looks like a feminine K.D. Lang.He does.
When I first saw him with that moptop look he was sporting in 2006, I remember singing "connnnnstaaaant craaaavin'".
But hell least he admitted it! Everyone knew he was gay anyway. Yeah, when Rosie O'Donnell outed that man before he was ready. | |
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