What a stupid fool :



Why's she performing at the latin awards anyway? Does she really think she's sexy?

OMG, was she ever able to get up?

purplesweat said:

It's not unusual for MTV Latin Awards to have 1 or 2 non-Latin crossover acts on the roster. It's usually some kind of breakout artist...

veronikka said:

I'm still trying to figure what she fell into, was that cake or cream or something ?

Damm...she's didn't die!

MikeMatronik said:

I think she lost half her consciousness smacking into that concrete cake.

Funny shit.

Ottensen said:

Metallica played and KICKED ASS and the crowd was going nuts. The latin market actually is the most loyal of any market in the world.

purplesweat said:

Yep she's sexy and her song is much better than the rubbish Britney Spears is releasing.
The fall wasn't very embarrassing.

curioso said:

Yeah, Katy's fall is no where near as embarrassing as this hot mess/tragedy on stage:





Britney is number 1 when it comes to embarrassing one's self publicly. At least Katy looks like she's having fun. I would love to be able to dive into a huge cake...that looks like hella fun.

She's boring. bland. meh. She'll be gone in a year or two

lastdecember said:[quote]

Ottensen said:

Metallica played and KICKED ASS and the crowd was going nuts. The latin market actually is the most loyal of any market in the world.[/quote]

lojal? how?

curioso said:

You have ridiculously low standards.

You realise Ms Perry is a one hit wonder who will be nowhere in sight in a year or two.

Whereas Britney just jumped from 95 to #1 on the US Charts and is still going strong, ten years into her career.

Estelle -

She embarrassed herself once on stage during an era where her bipolar disease wasn't being medicated right. Are you really going to hold that against her? Because you're cruel if you do. Blame MTV for pushing her to do that performance in the first place.

purplesweat said:

Seriously, Britney fought getting help for the longest time, which is why soo many people (her family and the courts) had to step in and force her into psychiatric care. She was refusing to admit she had a problem, so her 'not being medicated right' was probably her own doing the majority of the time, so I guess I'm cruel because I do blame her for the majority of her actions...oh well . My mom suffered severe depression during my teen years and we didn't have to force her to seek treatment, she did that on her own and got better to not only help herself, but also our family.
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I can't blame MTV for pushing her to do anything, because bipolar or not, it was her choice; and it was also her sons' birthdays that weekend and she missed that special day to do this nonsense. Apparently being on the VMAs was more important to her than her babys' birthdays. Tons of celebrities cancel for lamer reasons, so I don't think anyone would have held it against her for not showing up because she chose to be with her sons. If they did, than screw em. From many reports, not just MTV, she was never at her rehearsals and chose to ignore producers when they recommended she wear a corset with the ensemble. In the end, nobody could force her to do anything, so she made all those decisions herself.

Linda Hamilton suffers bi-polar disorder and in an interview, she said she had known for a long time that she had it, but refused to take the recommended medications. Mental or not, if you refuse treatment than that's on you. Britney was going to gas stations several times a day during that period, so I don't know how she missed all the negative headlines. The magazines are usually right at the cash register, so you notice them. How did she miss all the magazines, not just tabloids either, printing stories about her being out of control and crazy and not think that maybe the doctors were right and she should seek treatment? She was even photographed reading them at points. I guess she believed that all publicity is good publicity or something.

People really need to stop treating this girl like a stupid, helpless child who doesn't know any better. Britney did what Britney wanted to do and her children are the ones who had to suffer through those episodes more than she did, because she thought she was fine. I don't care how many albums she has because, to me, she's always going to be a mother first. I may not like her, but it's wonnderful to see her in a happier place now, but she is still under her father's care, so I'm hesitant to call anything a success until after that conservatorship ends. Drug addiction is a mental illness as are eating disorders. Many addicts will go to rehab and therapy and come out and be clean and sober for only a few weeks before relapsing suddenly. I hope she'll always be able to control her illness and not let it control her. Just my

estelle81 said:

Which is common for people with mental problems. They're always the last to admit they have issues. Who's gonna tell Britney Spears she might need to calm down? Her employees? LOL! Her mother's an idiot and her dad wasn't really a part of her life until she called him in back in January so what do you expect?

How do you think MJ got to the stage of weirdness he did? Because who's gonna tell these mega stars when to stop?



Your mother was lucky enough to not be under public scrutiny. There's a certain humbling that comes with admitting problems and to do that in the public eye would be tough for anyone.



MTV approached her. Why would they do that after seeing her entering rehab and shaving her head? $$$$$ Why would they keep going ahead if they could see she wasn't ready? $$$$$ Why did they give her three (undeserved) awards this year? $$$$$

And her boys birthday's are the 12th and 14th of September, this performance was on the 9th.




These are all reports. No one knows what really went on, nothing has ever been confirmed. To me, she was probably left to her own devices, probably took one too many sedatives and took to the stage drugged and sleepy.



You answered your own questions, she did see them. Who knows why she made the decisions she did at that stage. What we do know is she had mental problems AND was being drugged by Sam Lutfi who now has a restraining order.

Again, are you really going to compare a completely sober Katy Perry making a fool of herself to a drugged up, mentally weak Britney Spears at one of her worst points?



And some people need to stop treating it so simplistically. Even her parents referred to her as an adult child.

Anyway, she's made a TON of progress since then and the conservatorship is said to end at the end of the year. I think we all need to collectively MOVE ON.

And if it's any reassurance, she's living on her own now too.

estelle81 said:

All people with mental illnesses are making their own decisions, but isn't it the mental disorder that's the main cause of what makes the choices bad?

Purplesweat said:

Personally, if I had any of the symptoms associated with bipolar disorder or any other mental illness for that matter, I'd run to the doctor, but that's just me. My aunt suffers from schizophrenia and I've never seen her become erratic because she was responsible and took her medications. I'd hate to see her when she's not on them that's for sure, because schizophrenia is probably the worst one to have; and, it's scary because many mental illnesses are hereditary, so I was paranoid for a while that I would get it, so I made sure to research the symptoms to look for with many mental illnesses.

I agree that her mother and father are far from being good parents, but she did divorce all those people who truly cared about her before she was famous (her entire family and childhood friends); and started hanging out with 'yes' people who just enabled her. The enablers are guilty of helping her destroy herself, but so is she for not doing what's best for herself and her children. People suffering from bipolar disorder do have moments of clarity when they aren't having episodes, so they can make decisions for themselves. Mental illness is not mental retardation, which is how many people make it sound when they defend individuals with mental illnesses.

When she checked into rehab after the head shaving excursion, it was mentioned that she could possibly be suffering from depression and maybe even bi-polar disorder at that time and that was months before the VMA performance. A doctor had to have told her that she had the illness otherwise she wouldn't have been given any medications because a doctor has to prescribe them to you. I don't see any drugs to treat severe mental illness that you can just buy over the counter, but she does live in LA so, maybe their Wal-greens pharmacies have different perks than the one's here in Florida; I don't know.

I can't compare Britney to MJ, because 1) MJ has been deemed a freak by many people even though he had a rough childhood and was also a child star, yet these same people feel sorry for Britney for being a child star (still don't get that double standard, don't think I ever will), and 2) MJ and several of his siblings, stated that they had to suffer mental and physical abuse as children at the hands of their father...how true that is, I can't say, because I didn't live with them, but Joe Jackson is definitely someone I wouldn't want to piss off. Nobody was abusing Britney....at least she hasn't said anything about abuse ever that I can remember. Christina was abused as a child and watched her mother get abused, yet all she did was dye her hair black; get all pierced and tatted up; and become trashy during the 'Stripped' era; instead of exhibiting erratic behavior in public with children in her care. Some people just handle negative situations better than others do I guess.





Battling a mental illness is hard whether cameras are on you are not. I hate when people use that 'she's in the public eye' bull...she chose to wonder around with paparazzos at that time...nobody forced her to live out her illness in the public eye, that was her decision. The courts would have put the custody trial on hold if she had requested them to, out of need to seek treatment at an undisclosed location. She was inviting these people into her home and even dumped on her kids to run off to Mexico with one of them. Mental illness doesn't make you dumb. Britney seemed to be concerned with her own happiness during that whole fiasco and followed after a loser who used her (again) instead of dedicating her time to the two boys who would give her unconditional love for the rest of her life. How many times do you have to fall on your face before you learn that if you date a jerk you will get hurt, so it's not going to work? That applies to girls and boys who aren't famous too.




She was photographed going into parties for the majority of that weekend, so this is factual evidence. She wasn't doing her rehearsals and anyone with eyes who watched that performance could see what happens when an artist whose whole career is mostly based on her dance routines looks like without rehearsals. It looked like she had never performed a day in her life, which was really the saddest thing about the whole performance. Why would someone take sedatives if they know they are about to perform, unless they have a drug problem? She looked like she was recovering from a severe hangover or had just gotten off the barstool after a few drinks and a couple shots.



Mental illnesses shouldn't be used as excuses for bad behavior and Sam wasn't in the picture when she did the VMAs and shaved her head. He emerged from his cave a little bit later on. If he was having to hide her pills or force her to take them, than that means she didn't want to treat herself and she knew she had a problem. She was on some serious anti-psychcotic medications so I'd hate to see what she would have been like had Sam not been hiding her pills in her food. I'm in no way okaying what he did by any means, but they probably use the same method of dosing mental patients in the psych ward when they refuse to take their medications.



After watching the red carpet footage of her at this year's VMAs in LA, I don't think Katy is all that stable either. She was talking about wanting to make-out with Miley Cyrus for a while there...joke or not, that child is illegal, Katy.



Mental illnesses can only be treated; not cured, so all these people saying, 'Britney's back!', need to accept that she's in this for the rest of her life and will never really be the same. If she stops taking her meds, she could very well become that person again. Right now, it's looking good for her, so I hope she continues to be able to fight off her demons after the conservatorship ends and she regains custody of her life and children, because her father still makes all the decisions for her at this point even though she's living on her own.

I know you love Britney, but fans making excuses for her didn't help her get better. I love Whitney, but after she became a crackhead, I refused to support her until she got clean. I'm not going to give her money so she can use it kill herself, nor was I going to blame Bobby for her choices. I believe everyone should be held accountable for what they do, mental illness or not; and the law feels the same way. If you have been diagnosed with a mental illness and given medications to treat it, but you don't take them and kill or injure someone than you're going to be arrested and taken to jail, because you're a menace to others.

Years ago, a man was diagnosed as having HIV and he knowingly went out and had unprotected sex with several people and gave them the virus and he was sentenced to life in prison. Here's the article:

http://www.associatedcont..._life.html

If a doctor says a person has a condition that can cause harm to others, than that person needs to be responsible and do what that doctor prescribes to ensure they don't hurt themselves or anyone else.

You can never say something so certain without really knowing what you'd be like. And it's very easy to sit there and say "Oh, well I would have done this!", everyone's actual reality is different.



Ok, so who do you think taught Britney responsibility? Who do you think taught her anything except how to stir up the media? Do you really think Britney is gonna go research mental illnesses. You're not seeing this from her point of view. She leads a very different life to you and me, a life where she could do as she pleased and her people would clean up the mess. A life where no one seemed to care she desperately wanted a break and kept pushing her to her limits with each album. Seriously, watch any behind the scenes footage from 2002 to 2004 and all the girl wants is to live her life but she's got tours, promo, more promo, more performances, more interviews. Her marriage in 2004 was the first real break she ever had.



None of the people in her life were good for her in the end. Employees ignored her situation, her mother decided to write a book and like I said, her dad was only around once she asked him to be. He's still the only one with any respect in my book because he's the only one who didn't go crying to the media.



And like I said, even her parents referred to her as an "adult child". How do we expect an adult child to be making correct decisions? I watched a 2003 interview with her once and afterwards the reporter was talking to his co-host. He said about her "She's really, very young. I wouldn't be thinking about her or viewing her in an adult way." And she was 22 then. She's been performing and on the road since around 9 or so, when she started doing Broadway in NY. It's like MJ, their minds stayed children while they physically grew.



Sam Lufti came into her life shortly after she got out of rehab which is when her behavior REALLY deteriorated. Who's to say it wasn't because he was giving her the wrong medication? He used to tell her that insomnia tablets would help her stay awake.




Now this is just cruel. Britney's mental issues aren't justified unless she was abused as a child? WTF? Think about what you're saying here! Do you look at your relatives with mental illness and say "Nope, you shouldn't be acting this way...your parents didn't hit you..." Come on now...




Yeah, she CHOSE to have paparazzi camping outside her house 24/7, she chose to have news teams flying helicopters over her house. She KNEW Sam was in contact with all the paparazzi and would inform them of where they'd be before they'd go out. Please, the girl hates the paparazzi, she dated one only because she had no one else and, once again, wasn't in her right mind. Now her sanity is back and she's back to trying to avoid them as much as possible. She has heaps of security, covers her face with her bag, tinted windows.



Sometimes many times. I've known people like this all my life. It takes years for them to even see what they're doing to themselves. I never thought Britney would actually snap out of it as quickly as she did.



Eh? She wasn't photographed ON the night at any parties. And so what if she was photographed there? She still could have taken something to calm her nerves but went too far with it.



You're not getting it! She was not mentally well. Why are you wondering why a mentally ill person isn't making the best decisions for themselves? ESPECIALLY if she was on the wrong medication.



What? Why?

Just consider as to whether you'd be this harsh with your own relatives.



He'd been in her life for 7 months before the VMAs.



What? I said he gave her the WRONG medication. He just bought any old thing and mixed them into her food. He spiked her drink right in front of her mother. She said Britney went upstairs with him and came downstairs all erratic and wanting to go out.



I'm aware of this. All we can do is hope for the best. I'd hate to see her slip back into that since she's getting so much time with her babies now.




I'm not making excuses for her, I couldn't stand her when she was crazy. I didn't understand it and I didn't want to see her like that. I never made any excuses for her believe me. And I'm not now. I just don't feel the need to come down on her like a ton of bricks for making bad decisions in a trying and confusing time for her. She made the right decision by getting rid of Sam and calling her father. She's fine now which means she DID want the help, she just didn't know who to turn to. And who would after being surrounded by people who've only been there for your money your whole life? She wrote a letter on her website once saying something to that degree. She knew in the end. She knew what people were doing so she got rid of everyone but fell because then she had no one. Hopefully, her team aren't as money hungry this time around.