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Black groups & White groups What is the difference between Black and White singer/ Boy-girl groups? Black ones seem 2 get more approval, Why? I want 2 say, but I don't want 2 b racist...
What's ur frequency? (this is an old post i am posting back up due 2 the "Justin Timberlake thing goin on) [This message was edited Wed Jun 18 20:40:07 PDT 2003 by paisleypark4] Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: What is the difference between Black and White singer/ Boy-girl groups? Black ones seem 2 get more approval, Why? I want 2 say, but I don't want 2 b racist...
What's ur frequency? I already replied 2 this in the other thread but since u seem 2 think it's worthy of a new topic: what's the difference btween thinking racist and talking racist? And approval by what standard or by who? "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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no, because groups like Backstreet Boys, N Sync, & 98 Degrees always get the BEAT DOWN from people, and lose respect more often than groups like Dru Hill, 112, & Jagged Edge. I think its the whole SOUL, and usually black people are the ones that got it... (not 2 be racist, but it's is the tooth!) Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: no, because groups like Backstreet Boys, N Sync, & 98 Degrees always get the BEAT DOWN from people, and lose respect more often than groups like Dru Hill, 112, & Jagged Edge. I think its the whole SOUL, and usually black people are the ones that got it... (not 2 be racist, but it's is the tooth!)
Who gets the longterm acceptance and sales though? Who are seen as the credible legends/originators of all time? Elvis Presly, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles... Seems your point only rings true when talking about boybands/tennies in the pop/R&B field. | |
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compare the combined sales of Dru Hill, 112, & Jagged Edge to BB's or nsync sales and then tell me again who gets the most 'respect' from the general customer. "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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Essence said: paisleypark4 said: no, because groups like Backstreet Boys, N Sync, & 98 Degrees always get the BEAT DOWN from people, and lose respect more often than groups like Dru Hill, 112, & Jagged Edge. I think its the whole SOUL, and usually black people are the ones that got it... (not 2 be racist, but it's is the tooth!)
Who gets the longterm acceptance and sales though? Who are seen as the credible legends/originators of all time? Elvis Presly, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles... Seems your point only rings true when talking about boybands/tennies in the pop/R&B field. How are u comparing them to Elvis/ Rolling Stones? Nizza we talking ONLY about now, not back then...and YES that may ring tru, but u CANNOT compare them to pop teen music! :schocked: NSync/ Backstreet/ Dru / IMX/ N Sync...they aren't originators of anything. Thats only who Im talking about...I suggest u read my Question thuroughly. And who are they coming from? Jackson 5, New Edition, NKOTB, Who gets longterm acceptance!? I think black groups usually does not get knocked down as frequently as caucasian groups. Have u seen any sites hating black groups? (I havent) Have u seen any1 ever say "I can't stand those pop groups" Yes, who are they usually talking about. AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN ACCEPTED USUALLY UNTIL THEY START LOOKING UP TO BLACK PRODUCERS / SINGERS / RAPPERS TO BOOST THEIR SALES...and it happens...sad, but it's true. Just look at Justin Timberlake. And the upcoming JC 'Chavez', same deal, but at least he can sing...(unlike his significant other) Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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i hate all of them... to steal a phrase from michael jackson - it doesn't matter if they're black or white... they could be multi-racial and multi-sexed, and i'd still hate them...
i hate teen boy groups & i hate teen girl groups... they all sound exactly the same to me... they're singing the same shit... n'sync, 112, backstreet boys, dru hill, jagged edge, o-town, whothefuckever, and blahblahblah... i hate them all... i wish they would all just eat a dick and go away... 
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Since we're on the topic...
I heard that Boyz II Men are pissed that their latest CD isn't doing so well.Arista has even stopped promoting it after the first two singles bombed.Looks like it's "the end of the road" for these guys... | |
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Essence said: paisleypark4 said: no, because groups like Backstreet Boys, N Sync, & 98 Degrees always get the BEAT DOWN from people, and lose respect more often than groups like Dru Hill, 112, & Jagged Edge. I think its the whole SOUL, and usually black people are the ones that got it... (not 2 be racist, but it's is the tooth!)
Who gets the longterm acceptance and sales though? Who are seen as the credible legends/originators of all time? Elvis Presly, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles... Seems your point only rings true when talking about boybands/tennies in the pop/R&B field. surburbans dont want their children 2 understand soul Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Blame Maurice Starr... he started it with New Edition, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing because they were pretty much kept within the boundaries of R&B. But he pimped the soul with New Kids on the Block and it all became a marketing strategy to the "right" individuals... | |
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chickengrease said: Blame Maurice Starr... he started it with New Edition, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing because they were pretty much kept within the boundaries of R&B. But he pimped the soul with New Kids on the Block and it all became a marketing strategy to the "right" individuals...  | |
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Ellie said: chickengrease said: Blame Maurice Starr... he started it with New Edition, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing because they were pretty much kept within the boundaries of R&B. But he pimped the soul with New Kids on the Block and it all became a marketing strategy to the "right" individuals... So true. Lou Perlman should be giving Maurice Starr percentages! | |
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Janfriend said: Ellie said: chickengrease said: Blame Maurice Starr... he started it with New Edition, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing because they were pretty much kept within the boundaries of R&B. But he pimped the soul with New Kids on the Block and it all became a marketing strategy to the "right" individuals... So true. Lou Perlman should be giving Maurice Starr percentages! ha ha. I 4got Maurice selling out! Although he did make sum tight jams for them..gotta admit that. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Gotta love reverse racism. You guys make me sick...
... ... Who gets longterm acceptance!? I think black groups usually does not get knocked down as frequently as caucasian groups.
The reason N'Sync, BB and the rest are written off is because they are a Fad. Everyone, except the 14 year old girls that love them, know that they will be gone in a couple years. Dru Hill, 112 and the rest are doing the same thing Shai and Jodeci did before them. The same thing Barry White and Teddy Pendergrass did before them. The same thing Marvin Gaye and Otis Redding did before them. A long standing tradition of great R&B is harder to break than a boy-band pop fad. Who are seen as the credible legends/originators of all time? Elvis Presly, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles...
Not necessarily true. When I think of rock music, I think of Chuck Berry and Little Richard along with the Stones and Beatles. When I think of pop success and influences, I think of the Jackson 5, the Four Tops, the Temptations and all of Motown. Old Motown is the greatest music ever made and gets respect from everyone. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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paisleypark4 said: What is the difference between Black and White singer/ Boy-girl groups? Black ones seem 2 get more approval, Why? I want 2 say, but I don't want 2 b racist...
What's ur frequency? (this is an old post i am posting back up due 2 the "Justin Timberlake thing goin on) [This message was edited Wed Jun 18 20:40:07 PDT 2003 by paisleypark4] More soul...that's all. | |
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paisleypark4 said: What is the difference between Black and White singer/ Boy-girl groups? Black ones seem 2 get more approval, Why? I want 2 say, but I don't want 2 b racist...
What's ur frequency? (this is an old post i am posting back up due 2 the "Justin Timberlake thing goin on) [This message was edited Wed Jun 18 20:40:07 PDT 2003 by paisleypark4] What kind of question is that Brutha? There is a cultural difference and makeup with the way we sing, dance and move as compared to white people that's not racial it is just the way it is period. I only notice when white groups are trying to dance and sound black. For example when me and my homeboys first saw Vanilla Ice. We said "Look at this white boy trying to be down!!! He can dance a little bit too!!!" Look at the difference between a African-American gospe choir and a white choir. Our culture has always fascinated white people from the blues of the South to Hip-Hop. "Say it Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud!!!" - Brother James Brown
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gman1966 said: paisleypark4 said: What is the difference between Black and White singer/ Boy-girl groups? Black ones seem 2 get more approval, Why? I want 2 say, but I don't want 2 b racist...
What's ur frequency? (this is an old post i am posting back up due 2 the "Justin Timberlake thing goin on) [This message was edited Wed Jun 18 20:40:07 PDT 2003 by paisleypark4] What kind of question is that Brutha? There is a cultural difference and makeup with the way we sing, dance and move as compared to white people that's not racial it is just the way it is period. I only notice when white groups are trying to dance and sound black. For example when me and my homeboys first saw Vanilla Ice. We said "Look at this white boy trying to be down!!! He can dance a little bit too!!!" Look at the difference between a African-American gospe choir and a white choir. Our culture has always fascinated white people from the blues of the South to Hip-Hop. Very well said.  | |
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In all honesty, the answer actually has LESS to do with race and more to do with American CULTURE. It has been common practice over the past 25 years or so for our system of media to follow stars as they rise and fall. It has also been commonplace to attempt to help speed up that process. Exploit, explode, expire. Since Amerikkka has ALWAYS been fascinated with black culture and always seeks a white champion to support, what you speak of are simply the products of process. It happens to black artists as well, but since we are considered the "originators", we don't catch nearly as much backlash. Its like the media says" Hey, look at the white guy/girl who's doing the "black thang"". "They're really COOL", then when interest starts to dwindle, it turns to backlash. Backlash usually starts with comedians, because negativity is most easily introduced via humor and people are most likely to believe it. Leno & Letterman and those cats are at the forefront of creating backlash. Media oversaturation is the MAIN reason for backlash, though - not race. The problem is not many black artists get saturated like that. When white artists are doing R&B, its just one more thing to focus on when the backlash starts. White artists who do hardcore R&B just fade out like Jon B and Teena Marie (both of which I like). These artists get treated like black artists by the media. Its the "championed" artists that get the beatdown. I personally am waiting for Eminem's "day". Bubba Sparks on the other hand, will never have a "day", he just fades into the shadows. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:419ef8453c:0fae81e3d8]In all honesty, the answer actually has LESS to do with race and more to do with American CULTURE. It has been common practice over the past 25 years or so for our system of media to follow stars as they rise and fall. It has also been commonplace to attempt to help speed up that process. Exploit, explode, expire. Since Amerikkka has ALWAYS been fascinated with black culture and always seeks a white champion to support, what you speak of are simply the products of process. It happens to black artists as well, but since we are considered the "originators", we don't catch nearly as much backlash. Its like the media says" Hey, look at the white guy/girl who's doing the "black thang"". "They're really COOL", then when interest starts to dwindle, it turns to backlash. Backlash usually starts with comedians, because negativity is most easily introduced via humor and people are most likely to believe it. Leno & Letterman and those cats are at the forefront of creating backlash. Media oversaturation is the MAIN reason for backlash, though - not race. The problem is not many black artists get saturated like that. When white artists are doing R&B, its just one more thing to focus on when the backlash starts. White artists who do hardcore R&B just fade out like Jon B and Teena Marie (both of which I like). These artists get treated like black artists by the media. Its the "championed" artists that get the beatdown. I personally am waiting for Eminem's "day". Bubba Sparks on the other hand, will never have a "day", he just fades into the shadows.
Excellent points!!! As far as Emimen I can't stand him "The Elvis of Hip Hop" "Say it Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud!!!" - Brother James Brown
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okaypimpn said: gman1966 said: paisleypark4 said: What is the difference between Black and White singer/ Boy-girl groups? Black ones seem 2 get more approval, Why? I want 2 say, but I don't want 2 b racist...
What's ur frequency? (this is an old post i am posting back up due 2 the "Justin Timberlake thing goin on) [This message was edited Wed Jun 18 20:40:07 PDT 2003 by paisleypark4] What kind of question is that Brutha? There is a cultural difference and makeup with the way we sing, dance and move as compared to white people that's not racial it is just the way it is period. I only notice when white groups are trying to dance and sound black. For example when me and my homeboys first saw Vanilla Ice. We said "Look at this white boy trying to be down!!! He can dance a little bit too!!!" Look at the difference between a African-American gospe choir and a white choir. Our culture has always fascinated white people from the blues of the South to Hip-Hop. Very well said. back then i was sayin why do the white people diss their own kinds more than they do if it were black group. I dunno, it's a question that's basically already answered. Keep in mind this is an old thread...OLD THREAD Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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gman1966 said: BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:419ef8453c:0fae81e3d8:5807403789]In all honesty, the answer actually has LESS to do with race and more to do with American CULTURE. It has been common practice over the past 25 years or so for our system of media to follow stars as they rise and fall. It has also been commonplace to attempt to help speed up that process. Exploit, explode, expire. Since Amerikkka has ALWAYS been fascinated with black culture and always seeks a white champion to support, what you speak of are simply the products of process. It happens to black artists as well, but since we are considered the "originators", we don't catch nearly as much backlash. Its like the media says" Hey, look at the white guy/girl who's doing the "black thang"". "They're really COOL", then when interest starts to dwindle, it turns to backlash. Backlash usually starts with comedians, because negativity is most easily introduced via humor and people are most likely to believe it. Leno & Letterman and those cats are at the forefront of creating backlash. Media oversaturation is the MAIN reason for backlash, though - not race. The problem is not many black artists get saturated like that. When white artists are doing R&B, its just one more thing to focus on when the backlash starts. White artists who do hardcore R&B just fade out like Jon B and Teena Marie (both of which I like). These artists get treated like black artists by the media. Its the "championed" artists that get the beatdown. I personally am waiting for Eminem's "day". Bubba Sparks on the other hand, will never have a "day", he just fades into the shadows.
Excellent points!!! As far as Emimen I can't stand him "The Elvis of Hip Hop" no it will be hard for other "eminems" to get recognition now, and as far as i can c, it dont bother me. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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u know what pp4 iv'e watched your posts, and every post u have to throw a race card issue in it, whats the deal with that man?.. i mean shit are you that sensitive to the difference in one's color?.
personally i really think you need to take a step back and check yourself on that man, because. that shit can consume you and mess your whole center of being up,whether a person is black,white,brown,yellow,magenta,or blue. talen comes from hard work and practice and has nothing to do with one's color indeed. | |
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such a ridiculous topic! i really do wonder when america's obsession with race will end. it seems as though now there is this self imposed segregation of sorts. can't they just music "groups", period? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:419ef8453c:00b68596cb]In all honesty, the answer actually has LESS to do with race and more to do with American CULTURE. It has been common practice over the past 25 years or so for our system of media to follow stars as they rise and fall. It has also been commonplace to attempt to help speed up that process. Exploit, explode, expire. Since Amerikkka has ALWAYS been fascinated with black culture and always seeks a white champion to support, what you speak of are simply the products of process. It happens to black artists as well, but since we are considered the "originators", we don't catch nearly as much backlash. Its like the media says" Hey, look at the white guy/girl who's doing the "black thang"". "They're really COOL", then when interest starts to dwindle, it turns to backlash. Backlash usually starts with comedians, because negativity is most easily introduced via humor and people are most likely to believe it. Leno & Letterman and those cats are at the forefront of creating backlash. Media oversaturation is the MAIN reason for backlash, though - not race. The problem is not many black artists get saturated like that. When white artists are doing R&B, its just one more thing to focus on when the backlash starts. White artists who do hardcore R&B just fade out like Jon B and Teena Marie (both of which I like). These artists get treated like black artists by the media. Its the "championed" artists that get the beatdown. I personally am waiting for Eminem's "day". Bubba Sparks on the other hand, will never have a "day", he just fades into the shadows.
Co-sign. Although I can't really blame Em for his hype, he was cashing in on the media attention likening him to Elvis and championing his street cred. Plus, he had the 21st-century Col. Parker, Dr. Dre, cashing in from the production side. Interesting how the script got flipped. Actually, to be honest, I am now hoping that hip-hop itself has its "day" so it can reinvent itself. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Finess said: u know what pp4 iv'e watched your posts, and every post u have to throw a race card issue in it, whats the deal with that man?.. i mean shit are you that sensitive to the difference in one's color?.
personally i really think you need to take a step back and check yourself on that man, because. that shit can consume you and mess your whole center of being up,whether a person is black,white,brown,yellow,magenta,or blue. talen comes from hard work and practice and has nothing to do with one's color indeed. Finess I respect u highly so im not gonna talk dirty 2 u, but in the sense of everything that was goin on at the moment this seemed 2 b a good topic 2 bring up (Justin Timberlake ordeal). And other reasons were...ITS THE TRUTH. Nor do u see me defending any other races out there. I hate when I hav 2 c people always sayin "them damn arabs" all the time..them damn niggers...them damn white people...cum n now. But some things stand the truth and It is still going on till this day Finess. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: Finess said: u know what pp4 iv'e watched your posts, and every post u have to throw a race card issue in it, whats the deal with that man?.. i mean shit are you that sensitive to the difference in one's color?.
personally i really think you need to take a step back and check yourself on that man, because. that shit can consume you and mess your whole center of being up,whether a person is black,white,brown,yellow,magenta,or blue. talen comes from hard work and practice and has nothing to do with one's color indeed. Finess I respect u highly so im not gonna talk dirty 2 u, but in the sense of everything that was goin on at the moment this seemed 2 b a good topic 2 bring up (Justin Timberlake ordeal). And other reasons were...ITS THE TRUTH. Nor do u see me defending any other races out there. I hate when I hav 2 c people always sayin "them damn arabs" all the time..them damn niggers...them damn white people...cum n now. But some things stand the truth and It is still going on till this day Finess. no disrespect man i respect u as well, im just saying it seems as tho u disect things a lil too much.thats all, i understand racism is still very much alive and still rampid especially in the music industry.theres no beef between me and you its just we have to do all w can in the music business to bring that to a halt man, no beef between me and you,so its all good  [This message was edited Sun Jun 29 19:24:49 PDT 2003 by Finess] | |
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Ooh! Another racial thread!I best keep my mouth shut so I won't get beaten down like last year. | |
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