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PrintableAlexdeParis said: lastdecember said: Actually it is disputable and even steve jobs himself said it. They have sold billions of iPods and yet 2% of what is on peoples iPods is purchased from the itunes store. That's not even relevant to the point I was making. Apple has sold over 5 billion songs. The vast majority of those are available for free, which proves that people are willing to pay for music. Period. Im not disputing their sales, but its a decaying industry, nothing is up, they are talking about upward swings of record losses. The bigger point is they all made it too easy to copy, steal, take whatever you wanna call it. If you ask a person on the street, here this is for free or will you pay for it, what are they gonna say? the people buying still in this digital media, were pretty much the loyal buyer that just came over, but dont tell me those buying arent also hitting up sites stealing shit, thats what the 2% of iTunes product on iPods proves. The convienence of the iPod is the plus, but with the plus come alot of minuses much more than when cds took out vinyl and cassettes. Its not about the industry embracing digital, its about enough people embracing paying for their music to keep the boat above water. iTunes can only function because there is no overhead, but once enough artists stand up for the way their music is sold, iTunes will then start to feel some "Costs", all it takes is a big seller like a u2 or Coldplay to kick them in the balls. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: AlexdeParis said: That's not even relevant to the point I was making. Apple has sold over 5 billion songs. The vast majority of those are available for free, which proves that people are willing to pay for music. Period. Im not disputing their sales, but its a decaying industry, nothing is up, they are talking about upward swings of record losses. The bigger point is they all made it too easy to copy, steal, take whatever you wanna call it. If you ask a person on the street, here this is for free or will you pay for it, what are they gonna say? the people buying still in this digital media, were pretty much the loyal buyer that just came over, but dont tell me those buying arent also hitting up sites stealing shit, thats what the 2% of iTunes product on iPods proves. How does it "prove" that? What about all the millions of iPods that are filled with songs ripped from CDs? Are you assuming that all songs that aren't bought from the iTunes Store have been downloaded illegally? What kind of f-ed up logic is that? "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: lastdecember said: Im not disputing their sales, but its a decaying industry, nothing is up, they are talking about upward swings of record losses. The bigger point is they all made it too easy to copy, steal, take whatever you wanna call it. If you ask a person on the street, here this is for free or will you pay for it, what are they gonna say? the people buying still in this digital media, were pretty much the loyal buyer that just came over, but dont tell me those buying arent also hitting up sites stealing shit, thats what the 2% of iTunes product on iPods proves. How does it "prove" that? What about all the millions of iPods that are filled with songs ripped from CDs? Are you assuming that all songs that aren't bought from the iTunes Store have been downloaded illegally? What kind of f-ed up logic is that?  | |
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Stymie said: bboy87 said: I don't really agree with the 99 cent thing. I think if the album is available, you should buy the whole album, the way it's meant to be, unless it's a single So you want me to buy a whole shitty album? If people weren't making shitty music so often, it wouldn't be a problem "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Stymie said: So you want me to buy a whole shitty album?
If people weren't making shitty music so often, it wouldn't be a problem I think its way beyond shitty albums, i spent and we all spent our fair share of $$ on shitty albums, one day that shoulld be a thread. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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If record companies would quit shooting for the one big hit and filling the rest of the album with crap then there wouldn't be a problem. Record companies are no longer interested in artist longevity. They want instant gratification and if that means selling you an album that is 80% horse shit, then so be it.
Bottom line for me, if it's an artist I like, I'm buying it. If it's some one hit wonder, I'm gonna download it. Shake it til ya make it  | |
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Shitty music is NOT the reason the music industry is getting it's ass straight whupped:
taken from wikipedia: 1990s * The best-selling album of 1990 was Rhythm Nation 1814, by Janet Jackson. [35] * The best-selling album of 1991 was Mariah Carey, by Mariah Carey. [36] * The best-selling album of 1992 was Ropin' the Wind, by Garth Brooks. [37] * The best-selling album of 1993 was The Bodyguard Soundtrack. [38] * The best-selling album of 1994 was The Sign, by Ace of Base . [39] * The best-selling album of 1995 was Cracked Rear View, by Hootie and the Blowfish. [40] * The best-selling album of 1996 was Jagged Little Pill, by Alanis Morissette. [41] * The best-selling album of 1997 was Spice, by Spice Girls. [42] * The best-selling album of 1998 was Titanic Soundtrack. [43] * The best selling album of 1999 was Millennium, by Backstreet Boys. [44] [edit] 2000s * The best-selling album of 2000 was No Strings Attached, by *NSYNC. [45] * The best-selling album of 2001 was 1, by The Beatles. [46] * The best-selling album of 2002 was The Eminem Show, by Eminem. [47] * The best-selling album of 2003 was Get Rich or Die Tryin', by 50 Cent. [48] * The best-selling album of 2004 was Confessions, by Usher. [49] * The best-selling album of 2005 was The Emancipation of Mimi, by Mariah Carey. [50] * The best-selling album of 2006 was High School Musical Soundtrack.[51] * The best-selling album of 2007 was Noel, by Josh Groban ...most of those records fall under the "shitty" category, if you ask me. Shitty music has ALWAYS charted/sold. Computer technology, the rapid ascent of the internet and the lack of foresight by record label suits in adjusting their business model are the culprits, if you ask me. EDIT: I hate Firefox. [Edited 9/13/08 20:17pm] | |
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chuckaducci said: Shitty music is NOT the reason the music industry is getting it's ass straight whupped:
taken from wikipedia: 1990s * The best-selling album of 1990 was Rhythm Nation 1814, by Janet Jackson. [35] * The best-selling album of 1991 was Mariah Carey, by Mariah Carey. [36] * The best-selling album of 1992 was Ropin' the Wind, by Garth Brooks. [37] * The best-selling album of 1993 was The Bodyguard Soundtrack. [38] * The best-selling album of 1994 was The Sign, by Ace of Base . [39] * The best-selling album of 1995 was Cracked Rear View, by Hootie and the Blowfish. [40] * The best-selling album of 1996 was Jagged Little Pill, by Alanis Morissette. [41] * The best-selling album of 1997 was Spice, by Spice Girls. [42] * The best-selling album of 1998 was Titanic Soundtrack. [43] * The best selling album of 1999 was Millennium, by Backstreet Boys. [44] [edit] 2000s * The best-selling album of 2000 was No Strings Attached, by *NSYNC. [45] * The best-selling album of 2001 was 1, by The Beatles. [46] * The best-selling album of 2002 was The Eminem Show, by Eminem. [47] * The best-selling album of 2003 was Get Rich or Die Tryin', by 50 Cent. [48] * The best-selling album of 2004 was Confessions, by Usher. [49] * The best-selling album of 2005 was The Emancipation of Mimi, by Mariah Carey. [50] * The best-selling album of 2006 was High School Musical Soundtrack.[51] * The best-selling album of 2007 was Noel, by Josh Groban ...most of those records fall under the "shitty" category, if you ask me. Shitty music has ALWAYS charted/sold. Computer technology, the rapid ascent of the internet and the lack of foresight by record label suits in adjusting their business model are the culprits, if you ask me. EDIT: I hate Firefox. [Edited 9/13/08 20:17pm] true, shitty music has always charted, but not such an overabdundance "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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chuckaducci said: Shitty music is NOT the reason the music industry is getting it's ass straight whupped:
taken from wikipedia: 1990s * The best-selling album of 1990 was Rhythm Nation 1814, by Janet Jackson. [35] * The best-selling album of 1991 was Mariah Carey, by Mariah Carey. [36] * The best-selling album of 1992 was Ropin' the Wind, by Garth Brooks. [37] * The best-selling album of 1993 was The Bodyguard Soundtrack. [38] * The best-selling album of 1994 was The Sign, by Ace of Base . [39] * The best-selling album of 1995 was Cracked Rear View, by Hootie and the Blowfish. [40] * The best-selling album of 1996 was Jagged Little Pill, by Alanis Morissette. [41] * The best-selling album of 1997 was Spice, by Spice Girls. [42] * The best-selling album of 1998 was Titanic Soundtrack. [43] * The best selling album of 1999 was Millennium, by Backstreet Boys. [44] [edit] 2000s * The best-selling album of 2000 was No Strings Attached, by *NSYNC. [45] * The best-selling album of 2001 was 1, by The Beatles. [46] * The best-selling album of 2002 was The Eminem Show, by Eminem. [47] * The best-selling album of 2003 was Get Rich or Die Tryin', by 50 Cent. [48] * The best-selling album of 2004 was Confessions, by Usher. [49] * The best-selling album of 2005 was The Emancipation of Mimi, by Mariah Carey. [50] * The best-selling album of 2006 was High School Musical Soundtrack.[51] * The best-selling album of 2007 was Noel, by Josh Groban ...most of those records fall under the "shitty" category, if you ask me. Shitty music has ALWAYS charted/sold. Computer technology, the rapid ascent of the internet and the lack of foresight by record label suits in adjusting their business model are the culprits, if you ask me. EDIT: I hate Firefox. [Edited 9/13/08 20:17pm] Which version you're using? | |
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