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PrintableBishop31 said: SoulAlive said: If he stayed away from these lame shit hop producers and worked on a retro-funk album instead,the results could be amazing.He should let Jamiroquai produce his next album.
Great Idea! I never thought of that one.  In the fall of 2001,Jamiroquai released 'A Funk Odyssey' and Michael released 'Invincible'.I think the Jamiroquai album is far superior.There are no silly hip-hop elements or guest rappers.It's just a fun,retro-styled funk/disco album...exactly the type of infectious grooves that Michael should be doing.I like several of the slower songs on 'Invincible' but for the most part,the uptempo tracks are sub-par. | |
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It's funny. There seems to be some interest in him again since his 50th. I think the industry is at such a boring, low point that people are looking back to someone who made it exciting and remembering the real reasons he was famous, because he was a truly incredible performer and was ORIGINAL which is what basically every pop act lacks these days. The furor over his charges also seems to have settled with people finally realising he was ACQUITTED.
So I think with this sudden interest again, he should hopefully make the most of it and perhaps make an appearance somewhere. A friend who works with Extra, a gossip/celeb news company like E!, said a VMA insider told him "Once you find out who else is performing you won't even care about Britney" (he's a big Brit fan). Who else would people love so much enough to take over Britney's spotlight? So maybe there's a possible VMA spot coming up? It is the 25th VMAs after all... As for an album if he appears at the VMAs, it'd be a good chance to leak or release a single. Or even just preview it. | |
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As far as I can remember, Jay Kay of Jamiroquai has made some pre-t-t-ayee nasty comments about Michael Jackson and his ways...
Ain't gonna happen.  | |
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Invincible remains my second favourite album of his, so... | |
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mj could have done just stand up, the melody sounds like something he would have done | |
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Bishop31 said: bboy87 said: I think he is
I don't blame him for being slow with releasing records these past couple of years. From 1969-1987, he released over 24 albums, sometimes 2 or 3 a year during the Jackson 5 days. He seems to want to be a father to his kids. Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if his kids turn out to be great and responsible people. I remember back in 2000, he did a speech at Oxford and said that he wants to have as much time with them and be a good father to them. They made him rethink his relationship with his father You probably weren't surprised to hear that I did not have an idyllic childhood. The strain and tension that exists in my relationship with my own father is well documented. My father is a tough man and he pushed my brothers and me hard, from the earliest age, to be the best performers we could be. He had great difficulty showing affection. He never really told me he loved me. And he never really complimented me either. If I did a great show, he would tell me it was a good show. And if I did an OK show, he told me it was a lousy show. He seemed intent, above all else, on making us a commercial success. And at that he was more than adept. My father was a managerial genius and my brothers and I owe our professional success, in no small measure, to the forceful way that he pushed us. He trained me as a showman and under his guidance I couldn't miss a step. But what I really wanted was a Dad. I wanted a father who showed me love. And my father never did that. He never said I love you while looking me straight in the eye, he never played a game with me. He never gave me a piggyback ride, he never threw a pillow at me, or a water balloon. But I remember once when I was about four years old, there was a little carnival and he picked me up and put me on a pony. It was a tiny gesture, probably something he forgot five minutes later. But because of that moment I have this special place in my heart for him. Because that's how kids are, the little things mean so much to them and for me, that one moment meant everything. I only experienced it that one time, but it made me feel really good, about him and the world. But now I am a father myself, and one day I was thinking about my own children, Prince and Paris and how I wanted them to think of me when they grow up. To be sure, I would like them to remember how I always wanted them with me wherever I went, how I always tried to put them before everything else. But there are also challenges in their lives. Because my kids are stalked by paparazzi, they can't always go to a park or a movie with me. So what if they grow older and resent me, and how my choices impacted their youth? Why weren't we given an average childhood like all the other kids, they might ask? And at that moment I pray that my children will give me the benefit of the doubt. That they will say to themselves: "Our daddy did the best he could, given the unique circumstances that he faced. He may not have been perfect, but he was a warm and decent man, who tried to give us all the love in the world." I hope that they will always focus on the positive things, on the sacrifices I willingly made for them, and not criticise the things they had to give up, or the errors I've made, and will certainly continue to make, in raising them. For we have all been someone's child, and we know that despite the very best of plans and efforts, mistakes will always occur. That's just being human. And when I think about this, of how I hope that my children will not judge me unkindly, and will forgive my shortcomings, I am forced to think of my own father and despite my earlier denials, I am forced to admit that me must have loved me. He did love me, and I know that. There were little things that showed it. When I was a kid I had a real sweet tooth - we all did. My favourite food was glazed doughnuts and my father knew that. So every few weeks I would come downstairs in the morning and there on the kitchen counter was a bag of glazed doughnuts - no note, no explanation - just the doughnuts. It was like Santa Claus. Sometimes I would think about staying up late at night, so I could see him leave them there, but just like with Santa Claus, I didn't want to ruin the magic for fear that he would never do it again. My father had to leave them secretly at night, so as no one might catch him with his guard down. He was scared of human emotion, he didn't understand it or know how to deal with it. But he did know doughnuts. And when I allow the floodgates to open up, there are other memories that come rushing back, memories of other tiny gestures, however imperfect, that showed that he did what he could. So tonight, rather than focusing on what my father didn't do, I want to focus on all the things he did do and on his own personal challenges. I want to stop judging him. I have started reflecting on the fact that my father grew up in the South, in a very poor family. He came of age during the Depression and his own father, who struggled to feed his children, showed little affection towards his family and raised my father and his siblings with an iron fist. Who could have imagined what it was like to grow up a poor black man in the South, robbed of dignity, bereft of hope, struggling to become a man in a world that saw my father as subordinate. I was the first black artist to be played on MTV and I remember how big a deal it was even then. And that was in the 80s! My father moved to Indiana and had a large family of his own, working long hours in the steel mills, work that kills the lungs and humbles the spirit, all to support his family. Is it any wonder that he found it difficult to expose his feelings? Is it any mystery that he hardened his heart, that he raised the emotional ramparts? And most of all, is it any wonder why he pushed his sons so hard to succeed as performers, so that they could be saved from what he knew to be a life of indignity and poverty? I have begun to see that even my father's harshness was a kind of love, an imperfect love, to be sure, but love nonetheless. He pushed me because he loved me. Because he wanted no man ever to look down at his offspring. And now with time, rather than bitterness, I feel blessing. In the place of anger, I have found absolution. And in the place of revenge I have found reconciliation. And my initial fury has slowly given way to forgiveness. That is why I want to forgive my father and to stop judging him. I want to forgive my father, because I want a father, and this is the only one that I've got. I want the weight of my past lifted from my shoulders and I want to be free to step into a new relationship with my father, for the rest of my life, unhindered by the goblins of the past. Thanx 4 this post. I never heard or read this. It's a great read. A very different perspective of Joe. Really? You better read the whole thing. It´s beautiful. I love MJ getting all phylosifical. I think he´s very underrated in this way. Totally love his Dancing the dream book, for instance. Click on Mr. Jackson, interviews/speeches, speeches, Oxford Speech. http://www.steady-laughin.../slcom.htm BTW why did Jay Kay say? As for the question of the thread, I still think he´s capable of doing some amazing music. It´s iteresting that what people fear the most is him collaborating with others and everyone would love to see him work alone which proves how much trust people have in his abilities. I personally do. And I don´t think he´s quiet these days because he´s not capable anymore, he just has different priorities. I think Mike may fear how people will welcome him after all he´s been through, but I don´t think he fears that he´s not able to do things anymore...but I can´t get into his head, so I may be wrong, but that´s how I feel about it. [Edited 9/6/08 8:29am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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everything up to dangerous i concider to be great! and history is decent and it would have been better if 5 songs where cut. if mj capable of making another history with a few classic jams? t he classics we have been waiting for for years. i hope so but if you look at the people he is working with.. | |
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motownlover said: everything up to dangerous i concider to be great! and history is decent and it would have been better if 5 songs where cut. if mj capable of making another history with a few classic jams? t he classics we have been waiting for for years. i hope so but if you look at the people he is working with..
See, that´s what I was saying, it´s not about MJ himself really, but those we don´t want him to work with. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Bishop31 said: Thanx 4 this post. I never heard or read this. It's a great read. A very different perspective of Joe. Really? You better read the whole thing. It´s beautiful. I love MJ getting all phylosifical. I think he´s very underrated in this way. Totally love his Dancing the dream book, for instance. Click on Mr. Jackson, interviews/speeches, speeches, Oxford Speech. http://www.steady-laughin.../slcom.htm BTW why did Jay Kay say? As for the question of the thread, I still think he´s capable of doing some amazing music. It´s iteresting that what people fear the most is him collaborating with others and everyone would love to see him work alone which proves how much trust people have in his abilities. I personally do. And I don´t think he´s quiet these days because he´s not capable anymore, he just has different priorities. I think Mike may fear how people will welcome him after all he´s been through, but I don´t think he fears that he´s not able to do things anymore...but I can´t get into his head, so I may be wrong, but that´s how I feel about it. [Edited 9/6/08 8:29am] Thanx 4 that Link! I really love reading his interviews/speeches. He really is an amazing writer. Very visual. And this is coming from a person who hates reading things like this.  | |
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Bishop31 said: dag said: Really? You better read the whole thing. It´s beautiful. I love MJ getting all phylosifical. I think he´s very underrated in this way. Totally love his Dancing the dream book, for instance. Click on Mr. Jackson, interviews/speeches, speeches, Oxford Speech. http://www.steady-laughin.../slcom.htm BTW why did Jay Kay say? As for the question of the thread, I still think he´s capable of doing some amazing music. It´s iteresting that what people fear the most is him collaborating with others and everyone would love to see him work alone which proves how much trust people have in his abilities. I personally do. And I don´t think he´s quiet these days because he´s not capable anymore, he just has different priorities. I think Mike may fear how people will welcome him after all he´s been through, but I don´t think he fears that he´s not able to do things anymore...but I can´t get into his head, so I may be wrong, but that´s how I feel about it. [Edited 9/6/08 8:29am] Thanx 4 that Link! I really love reading his interviews/speeches. He really is an amazing writer. Very visual. And this is coming from a person who hates reading things like this. YOu´re welcome. I love reading his interviews as well. And I am also not a passionate reader. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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luv4u said: If he can use the formula of Off The Wall and Thriller, I think it's possible.
I agree. Go back to Quincy Jones and beg him to help you put together another soulful album. He lost his soul with all the "King Of Pop" bullshit ... and coincidentally, his pigmentation. | |
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I think the Quincy/Michael days are over. I think he should work with
?uestlove and Jame Poyser Rick Rubin Mark Ronson "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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luv4u said: If he can use the formula of Off The Wall and Thriller, I think it's possible.
That's my thinking. Why wouldn't the creator of that magic want to stick to that formula. I hate jennifer hudson's new single now because it's the sperm of neyo. I sure as hell don't want a neyo sounding or akon sounding michael jackson album. I'd leave it on the shelf. If you consider those to be his best work why wouldn't you want that sound modernized for micheal jackson now. It seems to be working for Al Green and questlove told him to go for his classic sound instead of doing something contemporary. Don't laugh at my funk
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So it looks like many of us agree: Mike needs to leave shit hop alone and get back to a funky,retro 'Off The Wall'-type sound.These days,many longtime artists are going retro and Michael should too.The best moments on Madonna's latest CD are the songs that sound like the 80s.Al Green's latest CD finds him getting back to basics.That's what it's all about.Besides,hip hop isn't Michael's style. | |
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SoulAlive said: So it looks like many of us agree: Mike needs to leave shit hop alone and get back to a funky,retro 'Off The Wall'-type sound.These days,many longtime artists are going retro and Michael should too.The best moments on Madonna's latest CD are the songs that sound like the 80s.Al Green's latest CD finds him getting back to basics.That's what it's all about.Besides,hip hop isn't Michael's style.
My original choice was MJ working with The Neptunes. Pharrell knows MJ's catalog well and few would remember that he actually interviewed MJ a while back and told him the "That's What You Get For Being Polite (off the Destiny album) was one of his favorite cuts. Now when you listen to a statement like that and listen to Usher's "You Don't Have To Call" (which was rumored to be have been originally written for MJ to sing on) and even Justin's first solo album - you know that Pharrell knows MJ's sound better than most of the cats that Michael is working with now (Will-I-Am and Akon to name a few). The biggest mistake that MJ made during the time of Invincible was not releasing "Butterflies" as the first single; complete with a video and a nice classy makeover in the image department. Overall, I agree with many of you and think that he should do to a back-to-basics style production with more live instrumentation and just kill the game. Also.....I know that this has been a subject of discussion off and on for many years now, but I would be curious to know what a collaboration with him and "The Man" (you know who...) would be like. All egos aside....have "The Man" handle the production (all live bass, drums, guitars, and keys) and have MJ write and record the vocals on about 10 tracks. Just them two in the studio for about a month. Yeah....wishful thinking I know and I know a lot of you is like "whatever", but hey - can't hurt to try. We all just wanna hear that soulful sh*t that we used to love from him during his heyday; regardless to who he works with. | |
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Hes got to want it more than he does. Thriller 25 was ok but pedestrian very little new, you may hear him sing with Fergie but thats it. The rest is Thriller ear songs sampled in to modern hip hoppery remakes. But theres enough post history material that makes him worthwhile. Blood on the dancefloor was truly hair standing on end, its great, he still has the magic and U rock my world not as good, but still great, but yeah the ballads are his finest 9i mean go and listen to Cry in a distraction free environment, its incredible). He is still a great musician and its clearly obvious he has a unique gift. I say bring it on.
PS History was a great album, especially Stranger in Moscow, little susie and Tabloid Junkie 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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jrodndigo said: SoulAlive said: So it looks like many of us agree: Mike needs to leave shit hop alone and get back to a funky,retro 'Off The Wall'-type sound.These days,many longtime artists are going retro and Michael should too.The best moments on Madonna's latest CD are the songs that sound like the 80s.Al Green's latest CD finds him getting back to basics.That's what it's all about.Besides,hip hop isn't Michael's style.
My original choice was MJ working with The Neptunes. Pharrell knows MJ's catalog well and few would remember that he actually interviewed MJ a while back and told him the "That's What You Get For Being Polite (off the Destiny album) was one of his favorite cuts. Now when you listen to a statement like that and listen to Usher's "You Don't Have To Call" (which was rumored to be have been originally written for MJ to sing on) and even Justin's first solo album - you know that Pharrell knows MJ's sound better than most of the cats that Michael is working with now (Will-I-Am and Akon to name a few). The biggest mistake that MJ made during the time of Invincible was not releasing "Butterflies" as the first single; complete with a video and a nice classy makeover in the image department. Overall, I agree with many of you and think that he should do to a back-to-basics style production with more live instrumentation and just kill the game. Also.....I know that this has been a subject of discussion off and on for many years now, but I would be curious to know what a collaboration with him and "The Man" (you know who...) would be like. All egos aside....have "The Man" handle the production (all live bass, drums, guitars, and keys) and have MJ write and record the vocals on about 10 tracks. Just them two in the studio for about a month. Yeah....wishful thinking I know and I know a lot of you is like "whatever", but hey - can't hurt to try. We all just wanna hear that soulful sh*t that we used to love from him during his heyday; regardless to who he works with. I think Will I Am is a great choice. Akon, not much
Will I AM ?uestlove and James Poyser Mark Ronson Rick Rubin Bill Bottrell THAT would be one hell of an album, although I do enjoy Michael's own productions like Stranger In Moscow, Stranger In Moscow, Smile, and several of the OTW, Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous demos "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: I think Will I Am is a great choice. Akon, not much Akon's remix of Wanna Be Startin' Something was the only listenable remix on Thriller 25. | |
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purplesweat said: bboy87 said: I think Will I Am is a great choice. Akon, not much Akon's remix of Wanna Be Startin' Something was the only listenable remix on Thriller 25. Theonly linstenable remix to me is actually The Girl Is Mine. Maybe because it was made of the original demo which I adore. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I hate will.i.am | |
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jrodndigo said: My original choice was MJ working with The Neptunes. Pharrell knows MJ's catalog well and few would remember that he actually interviewed MJ a while back and told him the "That's What You Get For Being Polite (off the Destiny album) was one of his favorite cuts. Now when you listen to a statement like that and listen to Usher's "You Don't Have To Call" (which was rumored to be have been originally written for MJ to sing on) and even Justin's first solo album - you know that Pharrell knows MJ's sound better than most of the cats that Michael is working with now (Will-I-Am and Akon to name a few). The biggest mistake that MJ made during the time of Invincible was not releasing "Butterflies" as the first single; complete with a video and a nice classy makeover in the image department. Overall, I agree with many of you and think that he should do to a back-to-basics style production with more live instrumentation and just kill the game.
Pharrell would actually be a good choice for Michael.He's great at creating retro funk/disco sounds.On Madonna's latest CD,he came up with some great songs that are reminscent of her 80s work ("Give It To Me","She's Not Me","Heartbeat" and "Beat Goes On").It's clear that he used Madonna's first album as inspiration.With Michael,he would probably use 'Off The Wall' as his inspiration.Didn't he produce "Rock Your Body" for Justin Timberlake? That's exactly the type of retro groove that Michael needs! It sounds like an 'Off The Wall' outtake. | |
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bboy87 said: SoulAlive said: If he stayed away from these lame shit hop producers and worked on a retro-funk album instead,the results could be amazing.He should let Jamiroquai produce his next album.
He needs to get ?uestlove on the joint Hell, ?uest himself said that he would love to work with Michael. He and D'Angelo were wondering what they could've done with Invincible What did they say? | |
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bboy87 said: Rick Rubin Wow, if he would get together with Rick Rubin, that would be interesting! That would mean an album mostly done by Michael with some outside input from Rubin! | |
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Never been an MJ fan, but i dont think he has ever released a album that wasnt a quality, professionally produced, sung and recorded record, ....the one thing Prince can learn from MJ
im talking mostly about 90's - present [Edited 9/7/08 20:01pm] | |
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I think he can, but he should not put too much hope on Thiller sales, those days are gone.
He and Prince should forget about generating huge sales and being idols to todays kids a-la Norma Desmond "Sunset Boulevard" I would love it if they just created a meaningfull album that said something about them at their age, .....no crotch grabbing thank you! [Edited 9/7/08 20:25pm] | |
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i wont be interested in any of his albums unless it has the word
UNPLUGGED on it. 
words like Akon, Neyo, Will and Neptunes on a MJ album. make me  | |
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smoothoperator said: bboy87 said: He needs to get ?uestlove on the joint Hell, ?uest himself said that he would love to work with Michael. He and D'Angelo were wondering what they could've done with Invincible What did they say? ?uest said he wanted to work with Michael and almost did about 2 years ago when Michael was having talks with LA Reid, but it fell through. He said when Invincible came out, he and D-Angelo were listening to it and kept thinking what they could've done on it, maybe improve on it "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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ThaCat said: words like Akon, Neyo, Will and Neptunes on a MJ album.
make me After hearing Thriller 25, I am not so opposed to the idea. I mean think of the "current" producers he used on Invincible.. they were actually out of step for 2001. Those producers would still sound good in 2009. | |
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