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Bishop31 said: Empress said: Thankfully, my local classic rock station plays Jimi on a regular basis, probably even daily.
IMO - if one has to listen to the radio it might as well be classic rock! The other stations are just top 40 crap over and over again. So does my local rock station. It's just sad that the "rock crowd" seems to be his only support on the radio. Exactly! It seems that some black folks that I hear from or talk to wouldn't give classic rock the time of day, but they are the first to tell you how great Jimi is. I think Jimi is one of the greats too, but he gets little support from other blacks unless they are musicians. Same goes for Lenny Kravitz. Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing Lenny to Jimi, I'm just saying that Lenny gets very little support from the black community. | |
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JackieBlue said: I think if black kids from an early age were exposed to more music and instruments they might have more interest in music other than rap. If they understood the beauty of the guitar, held one, understood the different types, heard the various sounds it could create, there would be more appreciation not just for rock music but for musicianship in general.
If they’re taking music programs out of school or parents aren't getting their kids private lessons, instruments and the pioneers of rock and jazz are foreign to them. Most kids don’t know who Jimi Hendrix is or aren’t familiar with black guitarists, rock bands, etc. Listening to rock is equated with listening to ‘white music’. So they stick with what they know and what their parents and at this point what their grandparents are listening to, rap and mutated R&B. There's the excuse that Jimi Hendrix is before their time so there may be obvious disinterest but I bet they don't know who Captain Kirk is either. [Edited 9/8/08 9:36am] Interesting point. I never thought about that. Lack of music education in the black schools could contribute to the decline of music knowledge in our community. But, these kids have something I never had in High School...Youtube. Nowadays, if you have the internet, there is NO excuse for lack of knowledge on anything music related. You can check out almost any artists on Youtube...except for Prince! | |
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Bishop31 said: Interesting point. I never thought about that. Lack of music education in the black schools could contribute to the decline of music knowledge in our community. But, these kids have something I never had in High School...Youtube. Nowadays, if you have the internet, there is NO excuse for lack of knowledge on anything music related. You can check out almost any artists on Youtube...except for Prince! | |
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Graycap23 said: Bishop31 said: Interesting point. I never thought about that. Lack of music education in the black schools could contribute to the decline of music knowledge in our community. But, these kids have something I never had in High School...Youtube. Nowadays, if you have the internet, there is NO excuse for lack of knowledge on anything music related. You can check out almost any artists on Youtube...except for Prince! True. My first time being introduced to Hendrix was when I got the Sega CD system when it 1st came out. (Remember that?!) It came with this Disc that had these 16 bit videos to Music from Artists. One of those Videos was Jimi Hendrix - Fire. I thought he was a cartoon or something. He seemed unreal.... I'm gonna try to find that Youtube clip..if it exists. | |
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Empress said: Thankfully, my local classic rock station plays Jimi on a regular basis, probably even daily.
IMO - if one has to listen to the radio it might as well be classic rock! The other stations are just top 40 crap over and over again. :nod; That or other "oldies" formats. Kelowna used to have a local station that played music from just about every genre it could get ahold of from the 50's, 60's, and early 70's. I thought it was the greatest station ever. Sadly, they had to shut down due to lack of public interest. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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NDRU's comments about formats is dead-on, IMO.
The same comment could be made about "white rock" radio. [i]Why doesn't the "white community" honor Neil Diamond more? It's all subjective. Blacks honor Hendrix. I listen to his music all the time (check my sig), and I'm black. Maybe it wasn't Jimi's calling to be celebrated in R&B music directly. But listen to any tribute album for him that features R&B artists, and you hear his influence all over the place. | |
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JackieBlue said: I think if black kids from an early age were exposed to more music and instruments they might have more interest in music other than rap. If they understood the beauty of the guitar, held one, understood the different types, heard the various sounds it could create, there would be more appreciation not just for rock music but for musicianship in general.
Umm, well in the UK for the last two to three years guitar sales have been at their highest peak yet. The number of people I work with whose kids are having guitar lessons is quite staggering, classical, acoustic and electric. The number of pubs where I live, and also in the county, that have live music every week, open mic nights, etc is also much higher than it has been in a decade or so. Now that we have house/dance finding it's corner and slipping from mass-market popularity we are seeing an upsurge in musicians once more. The bedroom decks are replaced by the Les Paul copy. As they should be ") | |
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I heard in the news that a young lad spent his summer holidays busking on Brighton Pier. He was earning up to £70 a day ripping out Hendrix riffs. Not sure if he was black though. | |
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JackieBlue said: I think if black kids from an early age were exposed to more music and instruments they might have more interest in music other than rap. If they understood the beauty of the guitar, held one, understood the different types, heard the various sounds it could create, there would be more appreciation not just for rock music but for musicianship in general.
If they’re taking music programs out of school or parents aren't getting their kids private lessons, instruments and the pioneers of rock and jazz are foreign to them. Most kids don’t know who Jimi Hendrix is or aren’t familiar with black guitarists, rock bands, etc. Listening to rock is equated with listening to ‘white music’. So they stick with what they know and what their parents and at this point what their grandparents are listening to, rap and mutated R&B. There's the excuse that Jimi Hendrix is before their time so there may be obvious disinterest but I bet they don't know who Captain Kirk is either. [Edited 9/8/08 9:36am] Which one: Him? Or Him? Nah, but you are right. Because we've been led to understand and view Hip-Hop and R&B as the sound of young Black America, anything else that Blacks would attempt is not "black enough". But I know of Black folks that are into Country, Classical/Opera, Ska, Folk, Metal, etc. I'll bet you a lot of young Black folks that are in the dark are saying that Techno music is a white thing. Obviously they're too ignorant to know that Techno originated in Detroit by some brothas in their basement: Derrick May, Juan Atkins, and Kevin Saunderson. Sad but true. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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Seriously, check out these sites and you'll see there are many Black folks out there that love Rock and other types of genres outside the box:
http://www.myspace.com/bl...kcoalition www.afropunk.com http://www.myspace.com/urbalt NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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I gotta pull the Objection card on this thread, though.
Folks all over the black community dig out-of-the-box music. Black people on the Org constantly are talking about Living Colour, Jeff Lee Johnson, Meshell, Sananda, Lenny, Ben Harper, Alice Smith, Mint Condition, Erykah Badu, etc. I reference them, not because they're the definition of that music label, but because they either dabble or dwell in the rock side of things. I think blacks are pigeon-holed on all sorts of levels -- I especially hate to see it being done in the realm of music performance or enjoyment. It's like some Orgers match the stereotype of non-rock homogeneity with the stereotype of listening to only one type of music. We live in a society that's pretty slow to acknowledge black diversity; I hate to see the denial of that diversity passed off on the Org as reality. | |
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ThreadBare said: I gotta pull the Objection card on this thread, though.
Folks all over the black community dig out-of-the-box music. Black people on the Org constantly are talking about Living Colour, Jeff Lee Johnson, Meshell, Sananda, Lenny, Ben Harper, Alice Smith, Mint Condition, Erykah Badu, etc. I reference them, not because they're the definition of that music label, but because they either dabble or dwell in the rock side of things. I think blacks are pigeon-holed on all sorts of levels -- I especially hate to see it being done in the realm of music performance or enjoyment. It's like some Orgers match the stereotype of non-rock homogeneity with the stereotype of listening to only one type of music. We live in a society that's pretty slow to acknowledge black diversity; I hate to see the denial of that diversity passed off on the Org as reality. Exactly. The younger black generation in NY are into a lot of afropunk/electrock, (according to my nieces and their friends). They like new groups like J*Davey, Heavy, Game Rebellion, KUDU, just to name a few. I do wish people would stop generalizing what type of music we like, as though we all like the same type of music. We are all individuals and cannot be lumped into liking or listening to form of music, that's just plain ignorant for anyone to think that, especially when we have so many musicians/artists playing all types of music. As individuals, we have never just liked one type of music, and quite frankly people need to stop judging us by what type of music they hear on these so-called Black radio stations. Those stations do not speak for me or the kinds of music I like to listen to. If the station advertises as r&b, then it will only play r&b, but that does not necessarily mean the music they play is the voice for all Black Americans. If you listen to a Caribbean station that plays "Caribbean music" then that's what you will get, doesn't mean the music they play speak for all Black people's taste in music or even for all Caribbean people. It's just one form of music that's part of various cultures within our race as a whole....and yes, many of us embraced and still embrace Jimi's music and see him as an icon. People shouldn't think we don't just because you don't hear his music on a station that specifically focuses on r&b music and not rock music, by black musicians that play rock. You will find Jimi's music played moreso on a station that specializes in playing "rock" music in the various forms it comes in. | |
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Bishop31 said: 2elijah said: Jimi is definitely loved by his own people and of course many of us have one way or the other listened to rock music. I grew up with musicians that lived in the areas where I grew up that played rock music and they were Black. I also wouldn't use the fact that just because some black radio stations don't play Jimi's music, mean Jimi's own people didn't love him. That would be a bit harsh to imply, That would be misleading. Jimi's music was played on mostly rock and pop stations because of the "type" of music he played.. Prince's music can't really be put into on category which is why many black stations played a lot of Prince's music as well as white stations You would find more of Prince's "rock" tunes played on stations defined as rock/pop and his r&b/blues type tunes played mostly on black stations. Radio stations playof music of artists on their stations depending on the audience that are attracted to the type of music they play, which is obvious, but no, I cannot say that Black people didn't honor Jimi. As a matter of fact my very young 19 year old male cousin, who lives in Virginia, was sporting a Jimi Hendrix t-shirt because he is a fan of Jimi's music, so I can honestly say that even generations later, Jimi is loved by his people. Just because a radio station that mostly focuses on r&b music and doesn't play Jimi, doesn't mean they have no love for him, many well-known, established artists around Jimi's era and after, who made and still make reall music, can't even get their music on many stations today either, so I can't really say that just because you don't hear Jimi on black radio, doesn't mean they have no love for him. [Edited 9/5/08 11:14am] I agree with most of the points you made. As for the Radio playing Prince's Rock stuff on Rock stations & R&B stuff on R&B stations. The thing that gets me is Jimi didn't do just "Rock" music. He has a wide range of great R&B songs. But we never seem to hear this on the radio. That's why I said in my first post "..is Prince's music more "Black" sounding than Jimi's was.."? Something to think about... Yes, I know Jimi didn't play just rock music, he played blue's music as well. I honestly can't say they have never played his songs either. There are some stations that do specials and honor artists back in the day. There are so many other artists that have come from Jimi's time and their music varies, but you won't hear it on many of these stations either. I hear a lot of Prince's songs that are categorized as "rock" like Raspberry Beret, Little Red Corvette, I Will Die For You, played on mostly rock/pop stations, but rarely will you hear them play songs like "Do Me Baby" or "Adore." You will find those last two songs on r&b because it pretty much falls into that category. | |
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i love jimi!!! he wrote great song lyrics, poetic! i have all his music! | |
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I remember years ago (late 80s or early 90s),Spike Lee directed a music video for Fishbone.He made a comment about how blacks should support acts that are "different" and even went on to say something to the effect of "We (blacks) shouldn't only support artists who sound like Bobby Brown".He was pissed that blacks don't listen to music that is more alternative and different. | |
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SoulAlive said: I remember years ago (late 80s or early 90s),Spike Lee directed a music video for Fishbone.He made a comment about how blacks should support acts that are "different" and even went on to say something to the effect of "We (blacks) shouldn't only support artists who sound like Bobby Brown".He was pissed that blacks don't listen to music that is more alternative and different.
But he was wrong. I learned about Fishbone through other black people... The same applies for most of the artists I mentioned in my previous post. | |
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ThreadBare said: SoulAlive said: I remember years ago (late 80s or early 90s),Spike Lee directed a music video for Fishbone.He made a comment about how blacks should support acts that are "different" and even went on to say something to the effect of "We (blacks) shouldn't only support artists who sound like Bobby Brown".He was pissed that blacks don't listen to music that is more alternative and different.
But he was wrong. I learned about Fishbone through other black people... The same applies for most of the artists I mentioned in my previous post. Ok,but let's be honest....it's safe that say that many blacks didn't give Fishbone the time of day.They don't have the typical R&B sound that would have appealed to R&B fans who were listening to,say,Al.B Sure and Bobby Brown. | |
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2elijah said: Exactly. The younger black generation in NY are into a lot of afropunk/electrock, (according to my nieces and their friends). They like new groups like J*Davey, Heavy, Game Rebellion, KUDU, just to name a few. I do wish people would stop generalizing what type of music we like, as though we all like the same type of music. We are all individuals and cannot be lumped into liking or listening to form of music, that's just plain ignorant for anyone to think that, especially when we have so many musicians/artists playing all types of music. As individuals, we have never just liked one type of music, and quite frankly people need to stop judging us by what type of music they hear on these so-called Black radio stations. Those stations do not speak for me or the kinds of music I like to listen to. If the station advertises as r&b, then it will only play r&b, but that does not necessarily mean the music they play is the voice for all Black Americans. If you listen to a Caribbean station that plays "Caribbean music" then that's what you will get, doesn't mean the music they play speak for all Black people's taste in music or even for all Caribbean people. It's just one form of music that's part of various cultures within our race as a whole....and yes, many of us embraced and still embrace Jimi's music and see him as an icon. People shouldn't think we don't just because you don't hear his music on a station that specifically focuses on r&b music and not rock music, by black musicians that play rock. You will find Jimi's music played moreso on a station that specializes in playing "rock" music in the various forms it comes in. Great points. It's the worst-kept secret in America that black folk's musical tastes are broader than portrayed, even by ourselves. As a child of the 80's, I know there were a lot of black kids just as into the Clash, R.E.M., the Police, and the pop stars of the 80's. We just tried to keep it on the down low for fear of peer pressure. It's still that way. I know a bunch of black women that loved them some Shania Twain. Why does Maroon 5 show up on a Kanye joint? Why does Norah Jones show up on Kweli's album? How do you think De La sampled Johnny Cash? Et cetera. And, black folk never stop innovating. Whether it's krumping or afropunk, inevitably, we'll break the next big thing. Even hip-hop heavyweights are looking for that now. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Bishop31 said: I've always been frustrated by that theory by some that Rock Music is considered "White Music". I have even been asked by some black people while I was listening to Jimi Hendrix, "Why are you listening to that white rock shit?".
Why is it that B.E.T., a supposed "Black Entertainment" station, doesn't pay homage to a Legend Like Jimi Hendrix? Because he didn't do the typical R&B music, is he not considered Black enough? Why have people been so programmed to think that all Black people are supposed to play is Hip Hop or R&B? In all the years I have watched B.E.T. I have never once seen a Jimi Hendrix Video on that station. None of the Black Radio stations in my area ever play Jimi Hendrix. Not even on the Old School stations. Why is this? He is perhaps the most influential Guitarist ever. Yet they will play an Eminem song before will they play a Jimi Hendrix song. This is Blasphemy. Every now and then I will hear Purple Rain on the Radio or even see a Prince video on B.E.T. Is Prince considered more Black than Jimi? Has anybody else ever wondered why Jimi isn't even Championed by his own people? (I know some on this site Love Jimi. So this stereotype doesn't include you guys. You know who you are.) The politics of Black in America don't always make sense, as you well know. But I'll say this: black folk are proprietary when it comes to Jimi Hendrix. They'll be quick to point out that he should be ranked first among rock artists, even if they don't like his sound. Now, younger folk who've known nothing but hip-hop might be ignorant of Jimi, but he's been gone almost 40 years and his songs are almost 40 years old. I don't begrudge them. It's the older generations who've allowed black music to become a monolith of hip-hop. These kids might react the same way to the Temptations or Miles Davis, much less Jimi! Think you'll ever see videos for "I Like It There" or "endorphinmachine" on BET? Music has been segregated in ways that may be worse than before. Black music is not encouraging its mass audiences to embrace a diversity of sounds. We're segregating ourselves musically, and it's not a pretty sight. We're ignoring not only one of the greatest black musicians of the 20th century, but emerging greats of today? . Pretty much. But I think the younger generation might know Jimi's music if it's used in a video games like Guitar Hero. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Pretty much. But I think the younger generation might know Jimi's music if it's used in a video games like Guitar Hero. Great point. If a Hendrix version of Guitar Hero were licensed, I might be first in line for it! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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SoulAlive said: ThreadBare said: But he was wrong. I learned about Fishbone through other black people... The same applies for most of the artists I mentioned in my previous post. Ok,but let's be honest....it's safe that say that many blacks didn't give Fishbone the time of day.They don't have the typical R&B sound that would have appealed to R&B fans who were listening to,say,Al.B Sure and Bobby Brown. 1) I'm not budging from my point about diversity within black America. Sorry. 2) And, even if I were to say you were right about folks ignoring anything that wasn't typical "R&B/soul fans," a lot of great music is found within that genre, as well as great musicianship that influenced MANY musicians (from the Muscle Shoals crew to Teddy Riley, for example). | |
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namepeace said: 2elijah said: Exactly. The younger black generation in NY are into a lot of afropunk/electrock, (according to my nieces and their friends). They like new groups like J*Davey, Heavy, Game Rebellion, KUDU, just to name a few. I do wish people would stop generalizing what type of music we like, as though we all like the same type of music. We are all individuals and cannot be lumped into liking or listening to form of music, that's just plain ignorant for anyone to think that, especially when we have so many musicians/artists playing all types of music. As individuals, we have never just liked one type of music, and quite frankly people need to stop judging us by what type of music they hear on these so-called Black radio stations. Those stations do not speak for me or the kinds of music I like to listen to. If the station advertises as r&b, then it will only play r&b, but that does not necessarily mean the music they play is the voice for all Black Americans. If you listen to a Caribbean station that plays "Caribbean music" then that's what you will get, doesn't mean the music they play speak for all Black people's taste in music or even for all Caribbean people. It's just one form of music that's part of various cultures within our race as a whole....and yes, many of us embraced and still embrace Jimi's music and see him as an icon. People shouldn't think we don't just because you don't hear his music on a station that specifically focuses on r&b music and not rock music, by black musicians that play rock. You will find Jimi's music played moreso on a station that specializes in playing "rock" music in the various forms it comes in. Great points. It's the worst-kept secret in America that black folk's musical tastes are broader than portrayed, even by ourselves. As a child of the 80's, I know there were a lot of black kids just as into the Clash, R.E.M., the Police, and the pop stars of the 80's. We just tried to keep it on the down low for fear of peer pressure. It's still that way. I know a bunch of black women that loved them some Shania Twain. Why does Maroon 5 show up on a Kanye joint? Why does Norah Jones show up on Kweli's album? How do you think De La sampled Johnny Cash? Et cetera. And, black folk never stop innovating. Whether it's krumping or afropunk, inevitably, we'll break the next big thing. Even hip-hop heavyweights are looking for that now. Why do we need to keep our taste on the down low? That is what still disturbs me. We shouldn't limit ourselves to the typical hip hop culture. | |
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