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Reply #30 posted 09/05/08 7:02am

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Harlepolis said:

What is SO wrong with having a lil' ambition? lol Ya'll are something else.

She stepped on Tina's toe! I still haven't forgiven her ass for that shit


I don't care if she was "Sasha" somebody needs to whoop whoever she was at the moment's ass for that shit alone lol



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Reply #31 posted 09/05/08 9:23am

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Beyonce is sexy and she can sing,but I don't see her as an "icon".She is nowhere near being an icon.I don't really think there are too many icons in today's music scene....just a bunch of young "artists" making disposable pop music,but not really breaking any ground or doing something that hasn't been done before.
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Reply #32 posted 09/05/08 10:09am

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I'll never treat her as an icon. For me she's totally liteweight and superficial. Yes, I dislike her.
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Reply #33 posted 09/05/08 11:19am

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I'll never treat her as an icon. For me she's totally liteweight and superficial. Yes, I dislike her.


Me too! Why would you say something so idiotic to a reporter.

It makes me dislike her even more
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Reply #34 posted 09/05/08 11:25am

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Seriously though if Beyonce wants to be an icon like Diana, MJ and Janet, she has to find her identity. She's still stuck at a Destiny's Child phase and also many of her songs seems to be with "hip-hop acts". But in truth it just doesn't fit her. But I guess since her husband is Jay-Z she has no choice I guess.


I always thought she had the talent to be another huge adult contemporary star like Whitney or Mariah or r&b/soul artist like 70's Michael, Janet or Diana and would go very far, but I was disappointed with Crazy in Love (though the song grew on me) and the image she had, extremely disappointed. Everyone I knew LOVED Baby Boy as well cause Sean Paul was cool that year, but I wasn't feeling it at all and didn't believe a word she was saying about being true to herself on Dangerously in Love. She was being true to Jay Z, that's what. I blamed it on Jay Z as well and felt like she was doing shit hop and trying too hard for the masses. And it's too bad too because I loved Work It Out for Austin Powers 3 and got really excited about what her solo career would have been like. The songs on her second album are much better though. I played B'day all the time last year and saw her on tour, but I'm not feeling her anymore this year, it's songs like Flaws and All, Listen, Green Light, Suga Mama that have an old school feel and have aged the best in a year's time. I never liked her duets with Ameel and Jay Z in the early 00's and unfortunately she went that direction with her solo career.

I'm glad she's active and a hard worker, more than most female artists from today with nice talent, but even her voice annoys me now, and her dancing is average, even if I saw her live and thought she was great then.
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Reply #35 posted 09/05/08 12:17pm

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newpowerhippies said:

graecophilos said:

I'll never treat her as an icon. For me she's totally liteweight and superficial. Yes, I dislike her.


Me too! Why would you say something so idiotic to a reporter.

It makes me dislike her even more



Are you thinking of Solange?
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Reply #36 posted 09/05/08 1:13pm

Harlepolis

bboy87 said:

Harlepolis said:

What is SO wrong with having a lil' ambition? lol Ya'll are something else.

She stepped on Tina's toe! I still haven't forgiven her ass for that shit


I don't care if she was "Sasha" somebody needs to whoop whoever she was at the moment's ass for that shit alone lol


falloff

I couldn't even laugh that shit off, I was MAD @ her evillol

And you know Anna Mae Bulllock raised a Nutbush City Limits hell on the clumsy bitch backstage
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Reply #37 posted 09/05/08 4:50pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

Her character, the Grammy-winning blues legend Etta James, battled a decade-long heroin addiction. ‘I’ve been saying for a long time that I wanted to do something dark. People are going to be very shocked. It’s the complete opposite of me. It was very emotionally draining. I was exhausted.’


People are already shocked that this acting lightweight is playing Etta James.



this makes me want to see the film even more... we'll see.. she may do a great job..
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Reply #38 posted 09/06/08 12:47am

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SoulAlive said:

Beyonce is sexy and she can sing,but I don't see her as an "icon".She is nowhere near being an icon.I don't really think there are too many icons in today's music scene....just a bunch of young "artists" making disposable pop music,but not really breaking any ground or doing something that hasn't been done before.

And thats it right there. I believe Beyonce has the talent and the ambition to become an icon, but she lacks a couple of other key ingredients: creativity and uniqueness. To be an icon, you have to have the creativity, unique personality, individuality and have a bit of a daring or fearless streak in you. You have to be willing to take risks, go against the status quo and march to the beat of your own drum. You cant become an icon by being a copycat and doing what everyone else is doing.

Take a look at the 3 biggest icons of the 80's: Michael Jackson, Madonna and Prince. The reason why they were huge back in the day and are legends today with many of today's young artists trying to copy their styles is because each one of them were unique, brought something totally different to the table, played by their own rules, took risks and didnt care what people said about them. They each stood out not just based on talent alone, but by their unique fashion sense, their personalities and their lifestyles.

Michael was the genius who revolutionized the way music videos were done, Prince was the mysterious and gifted genius who caused controversy by his super-sexual songs and performances, Madonna was dynaminc, controversial, liked pushing people's buttons and made iconic music videos as well all the while reinventing herself. All 3 of them were controversial in either their music or had controversial private lives or both. Two of them (Madge and MJ) were masters at manipulating the media to their advantage. Just merely copying either of these 3 will not automatically make you an icon, it will just make you a copycat. Being an icon is all about having your own distinctive style and bringing something totally different to the table that hasnt really been done before.

This is what I see missing from Beyonce. She's got the talent and the ambition, but I dont see much creativity or individuality on her part. What makes her stand out is her beauty, but thats about it. And yes she is a very good live performer, but then again there are alot of very good and great live performers out there. If she wants to be an icon and be remembered like her idol MJ, then she's gonna have to come up with something that will accomplish that. Thats my 2 1/2 cents.
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Reply #39 posted 09/06/08 12:58am

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Reply #40 posted 09/09/08 4:19pm

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B'Day Set for New Beyonc??

Gina Serpe
Tue Sep 9, 4:09 AM ET

Los Angeles (E! Online)

Mark your calendars. Beyoncé has finally set a release date for her as-yet-untitled third studio album: The wannabe icon will unleash her new tunes on Nov. 18.

While she probably doesn't need to worry too much about hyping the hotly anticipated release, she'll still be amping things up on Oct. 7, when she simultaneously releases the first two singles from the album, "If I Were A Boy" and "Single Ladies."

The new album—her first as a (quietly) married woman—follows up 2006's B'Day and, according to her Columbia record label is the Grammy winner's "most personal, reflective and revelatory collection to date."

The 27-year-old cowrote and coproduced every track on the album.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/e...b_eo/27997

Well folks, a new album from B is on the way. Was she gone long enough for you to miss her? razz
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Reply #41 posted 09/09/08 6:28pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

Beyonce: 'I'm Over Being a Pop Star'


Beyonce Knowles wants more than pop stardom -- she wants to be an icon!

The singer and actress tells UK's Marie Claire that although she's reached great heights in her career, she's got even bigger goals.

The Grammy winner had this to say:

"I'm over being a pop star. I don't wanna be a hot girl. I wanna be iconic. And I feel like I've accomplished a lot. I feel like I'm highly respected, which is more important than any award or any amount of records. And I feel like there comes a point when being a pop star is not enough."

Beyonce also talks about gaining 20 lbs. for her role playing soul singer Etta James in the upcoming film 'Cadillac Records.' After gaining the weight, Beyonce had to shed the pounds quickly for another role in the psychological thriller 'Obsessed.' She said gaining the weight was "so much fun," but losing weight made her "angry" with herself.

The talented, self-proclaimed "workaholic" is scheduled to release her next album in November – although it is still untitled, the mag says.

http://www.etonline.com/n...index.html

What, being an icon of the weave industry isnt enough? razz
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Dear Beyonce,

When Madonna & Janet were on the road to become pop music icons, they learn to take control over their professional careers by moving forward WITHOUT their fathers doing any cutthroat dealings on their behalves.

Think about it!

With Much (Dis)respect
----TVD 9/9/2008

[Edited 9/9/08 16:45pm]
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Reply #42 posted 09/09/08 6:47pm

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I'm tired of being considered a musical Icon - next I aspire to be God.
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Reply #43 posted 09/09/08 7:25pm

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A Icon dont have to SAY THEY ARE AN ICON!
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Reply #44 posted 09/09/08 7:57pm

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But God always reminds the people of Israel that he is indeed God?
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Reply #45 posted 09/10/08 12:44pm

alphastreet

I'm so over her. I don't even like her new sound from what I heard from the leaked tracks. And her voice sounds terrible, she's tired it out and has already peaked IMO.
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Reply #46 posted 09/10/08 1:59pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

SoulAlive said:

Beyonce is sexy and she can sing,but I don't see her as an "icon".She is nowhere near being an icon.I don't really think there are too many icons in today's music scene....just a bunch of young "artists" making disposable pop music,but not really breaking any ground or doing something that hasn't been done before.

And thats it right there. I believe Beyonce has the talent and the ambition to become an icon, but she lacks a couple of other key ingredients: creativity and uniqueness. To be an icon, you have to have the creativity, unique personality, individuality and have a bit of a daring or fearless streak in you. You have to be willing to take risks, go against the status quo and march to the beat of your own drum. You cant become an icon by being a copycat and doing what everyone else is doing.

Take a look at the 3 biggest icons of the 80's: Michael Jackson, Madonna and Prince. The reason why they were huge back in the day and are legends today with many of today's young artists trying to copy their styles is because each one of them were unique, brought something totally different to the table, played by their own rules, took risks and didnt care what people said about them. They each stood out not just based on talent alone, but by their unique fashion sense, their personalities and their lifestyles.

Michael was the genius who revolutionized the way music videos were done, Prince was the mysterious and gifted genius who caused controversy by his super-sexual songs and performances, Madonna was dynaminc, controversial, liked pushing people's buttons and made iconic music videos as well all the while reinventing herself. All 3 of them were controversial in either their music or had controversial private lives or both. Two of them (Madge and MJ) were masters at manipulating the media to their advantage. Just merely copying either of these 3 will not automatically make you an icon, it will just make you a copycat. Being an icon is all about having your own distinctive style and bringing something totally different to the table that hasnt really been done before.

This is what I see missing from Beyonce. She's got the talent and the ambition, but I dont see much creativity or individuality on her part. What makes her stand out is her beauty, but thats about it. And yes she is a very good live performer, but then again there are alot of very good and great live performers out there. If she wants to be an icon and be remembered like her idol MJ, then she's gonna have to come up with something that will accomplish that. Thats my 2 1/2 cents.



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Reply #47 posted 09/10/08 2:13pm

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She needs to get over herself. And her sister, too. Divas, and not in the good sense.
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Reply #48 posted 09/10/08 6:26pm

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daPrettyman said:

How about working for 20 years and do ground-breaking work. Then we'll see about achieving the "icon" status.

I was just about to say something like that. Beyonce needs to sit her ass DOWN.
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Reply #49 posted 09/10/08 6:41pm

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Already an icon in my eyes.
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Reply #50 posted 09/10/08 7:14pm

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scorp84 said:

Already an icon in my eyes.

Then you should go see a doctor.... something's wrong with your eyes!
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Reply #51 posted 09/10/08 7:33pm

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PatrickS77 said:

scorp84 said:

Already an icon in my eyes.

Then you should go see a doctor.... something's wrong with your eyes!

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Reply #52 posted 09/10/08 7:39pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

SoulAlive said:

Beyonce is sexy and she can sing,but I don't see her as an "icon".She is nowhere near being an icon.I don't really think there are too many icons in today's music scene....just a bunch of young "artists" making disposable pop music,but not really breaking any ground or doing something that hasn't been done before.

And thats it right there. I believe Beyonce has the talent and the ambition to become an icon, but she lacks a couple of other key ingredients: creativity and uniqueness. To be an icon, you have to have the creativity, unique personality, individuality and have a bit of a daring or fearless streak in you. You have to be willing to take risks, go against the status quo and march to the beat of your own drum. You cant become an icon by being a copycat and doing what everyone else is doing.

Take a look at the 3 biggest icons of the 80's: Michael Jackson, Madonna and Prince. The reason why they were huge back in the day and are legends today with many of today's young artists trying to copy their styles is because each one of them were unique, brought something totally different to the table, played by their own rules, took risks and didnt care what people said about them. They each stood out not just based on talent alone, but by their unique fashion sense, their personalities and their lifestyles.

Michael was the genius who revolutionized the way music videos were done, Prince was the mysterious and gifted genius who caused controversy by his super-sexual songs and performances, Madonna was dynaminc, controversial, liked pushing people's buttons and made iconic music videos as well all the while reinventing herself. All 3 of them were controversial in either their music or had controversial private lives or both. Two of them (Madge and MJ) were masters at manipulating the media to their advantage. Just merely copying either of these 3 will not automatically make you an icon, it will just make you a copycat. Being an icon is all about having your own distinctive style and bringing something totally different to the table that hasnt really been done before.

This is what I see missing from Beyonce. She's got the talent and the ambition, but I dont see much creativity or individuality on her part. What makes her stand out is her beauty, but thats about it. And yes she is a very good live performer, but then again there are alot of very good and great live performers out there. If she wants to be an icon and be remembered like her idol MJ, then she's gonna have to come up with something that will accomplish that. Thats my 2 1/2 cents.



Excellent words. I completely agree.
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Reply #53 posted 09/10/08 7:50pm

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Beyonce is such a trip! lol

If it's not crashing down on other artists album release dates it's stating who her stage ego is & hogging the mike when she on the stage with a true icon.

You can't demand status Beyonce, just like you have to earn respect.

A few hits written by other folk, award show performances with major star idols, and the perfect weave occasionally...not to mention the power marriage arrangement...& we have to view her as an icon because she's tired of being a pop star? Too many people talking in your ear girl! You need some realness. her and her family sure know how to put on some airs!!!!
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Reply #54 posted 09/12/08 1:55am

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #55 posted 09/12/08 1:57am

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Reply #56 posted 09/12/08 3:11am

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Beyonce, here's a hint:

QUIT CHANTING AND START SINGING! mad
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Reply #57 posted 09/12/08 4:10am

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I don't like Beyonce. At all. But even I can admit she does have potential. Potential being the key word. She's not there yet, not even close.

But stomping on Tina? Hogging Prince's mike? Having the nerve to think she can play Etta? Then announcing she wants to be the next big diva? no no no! Nay, nay, Bee.
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Reply #58 posted 09/12/08 5:26am

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uPtoWnNY said:

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

This is the problem with today's 'superstars'...to desperate to get to THAT iconic level after 3 albums..


I don't remember Stevie ever saying he wanted to be an icon. All he did was make wonderful music.



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Reply #59 posted 10/09/08 7:18am

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Timmy84 said:

Seriously though if Beyonce wants to be an icon like Diana, MJ and Janet, she has to find her identity. She's still stuck at a Destiny's Child phase and also many of her songs seems to be with "hip-hop acts". But in truth it just doesn't fit her. But I guess since her husband is Jay-Z she has no choice I guess.


I always thought she had the talent to be another huge adult contemporary star like Whitney or Mariah or r&b/soul artist like 70's Michael, Janet or Diana and would go very far, but I was disappointed with Crazy in Love (though the song grew on me) and the image she had, extremely disappointed. Everyone I knew LOVED Baby Boy as well cause Sean Paul was cool that year, but I wasn't feeling it at all and didn't believe a word she was saying about being true to herself on Dangerously in Love. She was being true to Jay Z, that's what. I blamed it on Jay Z as well and felt like she was doing shit hop and trying too hard for the masses. And it's too bad too because I loved Work It Out for Austin Powers 3 and got really excited about what her solo career would have been like. The songs on her second album are much better though. I played B'day all the time last year and saw her on tour, but I'm not feeling her anymore this year, it's songs like Flaws and All, Listen, Green Light, Suga Mama that have an old school feel and have aged the best in a year's time. I never liked her duets with Ameel and Jay Z in the early 00's and unfortunately she went that direction with her solo career.

I'm glad she's active and a hard worker, more than most female artists from today with nice talent, but even her voice annoys me now, and her dancing is average, even if I saw her live and thought she was great then.
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i do think jay is bringing her down in a way
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