abierman said:

And some of us are and are willing to learn. We get that racism is stupid to some of you guys or it's not a big deal but when some of you guys are unwilling to at least try to see what we are talking about, communication breaks down and the namecalling begins.

Stymie said:

I was in no way saying that racism isn't real in the US..... I am only getting a bit tired of the Elvis-discussion, whether he did or did not take black music to build a career. The guy has been dead for 31 years now and his music that was relevant is over 45 years old.
I have never been into Elvis at all, I'm certainly not a fan.

Talking 'bout black or white music.....the only true American musical genres (the ones that originate from the US) are the blues and the genres that came from it (jazz, funk, and later even hiphop/rap, not so much rock).....The rest have European roots, i.e. Country & Western music.

abierman said:

lol wut?

abierman said:

then why didn't you just say that?

I don't categorize music into color but I do understand how some people would harbor resentment towards someone who took music they worked really hard on and became rich and famous off it, no matter what the color of his skin was.

Stymie said:

stuff like that happened in those days, it is part of American history.....what is the use of keep repeating it?? This Elvis story as meow85 started this thread rears its ugly head at least twice a year here on these threads.....what is the use???

BTW, the Beastie Boys took rap and got really rich from it..... are they hated as well? No, they have street-credibility, also in the black hiphop-/rap-community.....
How is this different from what Elvis has done?? Or is it because they're jewish???
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abierman said:

i think this topic is reoccuring because the kids are just discovering this historical tidbit and feel the need to discuss it.

abierman said:

Black americans are used to other cultures co-opting their style and getting rich off it. Beasties are no different.

abierman said:

well, there aren't any stories or legends of them being racists. and probably because they truly assilmilated within the culture. i don't think there are too many black people mad at Eminem either. also the Beasties being on DefJam was credible enough.

abierman said:

I think it stems from the fact they emerged at a time when it easier for white artists to acknowledge their black influences. Plus, Hip Hop will FOREVER be known as a black music. Meaning, there really is no way to steal it, unlike Rock n Roll and other genres.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

So Eminem had the luck of being Dr. Dre's protoge (sp.?) and the Beasties were signed to DefJam and are jewish so can't be racist.....The Red Hot Chili Peppers had the luck have been discovered by George Clinton.....
Elvis came from the rural South in a time when racial segregation was an issue of the day. I haven't heard any stories that he was an active racist, don't you think that, if he was, he wouldn't have touched this so-called black music he allegedly stole? Couldn't he have loved this music and just got very successful with it?? Again, I am NOT an Elvis-fan at all.....I just find this racist-stuff a bit over the top, it reeks like envy! Prince was master at stealing musical styles (i.e. white new wave!!) .....big fuckin' deal!
The Beatles stole music from the black music-community as well, I don't hear people bitching about them.....wait, they were British!

Wow, I wasn't even aware that there was much hatred for Elvis, although I guess I can understand... Saying something negative about Elvis seems to most people to be like dissing Jesus.

Stymie said:

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Stymie said:

so why can't black Americans see it as a tribute??? And fuck it, the Beasties were a lot better than many black hiphop artists (not all!). I think their succes was well deserved!

abierman said:

One point: Some whites embraced "black" music even though they hated black people. Hell, there are white people on this site right now that hate black people but buy Prince's music.

Carry on.

Stymie said:

I see what you're saying, Stymie.....and you've got a point. Still, I haven't heard a bit about Elvis' hatred of black people.....

abierman said:

i'm not accusing him of being a racist, but there are stories. many of them have been discredited but there's a infamous interview where he stated after being asked if he was influenced by "colored" music, that the only thing a black man could do for him is shine his shoes.

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magnificentsynthesizer said:

if true, that's bad.....but also, it was probably was in 1956 and in that time a lot of things worse than that was said about African Americans.....still bad, nonetheless!

Shit, America.....ýou all will have to live with your past heading to your future!
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magnificentsynthesizer said:

http://www.elvisinfonet.c...acist.html

magnificentsynthesizer said:

Nah, Elvis' name was kicked around in that "Artists you have an Irrational Hatred for" thread, somebody obviously took offense, and it became the inspiration to create this topic.


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Mara said:

missed that one.

Mara said:

Really?

magnificentsynthesizer said:

I edited my original response. But, yeah, mainly that was the inspiration. People got pissed that Elvis was getting dissed on in that thread.

GNS said:

thanks. i had a feeling it wasn't true, but good luck with getting this info to the masses.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

No problemo.

While I fail to see the appeal of Elvis, he doesn't deserve the false labeling of being a racist.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

We actually discussed it on another thread ad nauseum.

As far as I am concerned, the people on that thread didn't say why they hated Elvis so I wondered why the reasons are being assumed. Fuck, I hate Elvis too.

abierman said:

That's because there wasn't any: The Elvis "Quote" Myth
The above is a post I did 2 years ago so that let's you know, as with many topics, this one keeps circling like a merry-go-round.

One update.
The link in my post used in association with this statement...
A Calvin Newborn tribute site that mentions the Newborn's relationship with Elvis, should be substitued with this one - http://yellowdogrecords.c...raphy.html
(the original one has expired)

Again, even with all this data supplied, i'm sure this topic will continue to resurface in all its inaccurate glory.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

Wonder what kind of people would spread rumours like these

And what for, apart from keeping hatred alive that is

theAudience said:

Thanks for this and the links, Neal!

uPtoWnNY said:

Man did you see his E! True Hollywood Stories on his last years alive? Dude was psycho crazy!