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PANDURITO said: Marrk said: beyonce's black?!
 She used to be, at least  There were no creoles in Texas pre-Hurricane Katrina! | |
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TonyVanDam said: PANDURITO said: She used to be, at least There were no creoles in Texas pre-Hurricane Katrina!  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: TonyVanDam said: There were no creoles in Texas pre-Hurricane Katrina! Yeah I said it! Beyonce needs to be slap on her booty (in the way it hurts, NOT the way she like it.  ) for promoting that BPB test bullshit.
Real creoles are from Louisiana. And they know they're black regardless of the French influences.  | |
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SCNDLS said: poeticrockstar said: Mica Paris? What the hell has she done that's so relevant as of late? Folks need to get their panties out of a wad and leave Beyonce the hell alone! I have never seen one artist get hated on as much as this young lady! There is nothing wrong with that damn ad! LETITGO! If you read her statement she's not slamming Beyonce, in fact she compliments her. She criticizes L'oreal which regardless of how "relevant" she may or may not be she's entirely within her rights to do. It's all about perspective, and if you're not a black woman you may not understand or be able to empathize with why this IS offensive and disappointing. and why we as a country are doomed what happened to comprehension skills?  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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TonyVanDam said: MuthaFunka said: Yeah I said it! Beyonce needs to be slap on her booty (in the way it hurts, NOT the way she like it. ) for promoting that BPB test bullshit.
Real creoles are from Louisiana. And they know they're black regardless of the French influences. Yeah, but Creole people DO migrate, dawg . My chick in H-Town was Creole.nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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| I thought the ad was an effort to promote the Jaundiced community. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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daPrettyman said: PANDURITO said: She used to be, at least As ghetto as she is, she'll never abandon being black. Just wait until her next album drops, you'll hear more ebonics than you will care to hear in a 40 minute listening session (like the prior projects). They should've just used Mariah, but probably thought she was too ghetto. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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vainandy said: They're just trying to match her skin color to her music, that's all.
Beige and bland? 
I don't like Beyonce, and I don't use L'Oreal products to begin with so there's nothign to stop buying, and I'm not black, but I'm still taking issue with this ad. Lightening up her skin was just not cool.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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this is the funniest thread ever! and everything here is all sooooo true!
especially about the fact that there is no dark women getting airplay. Soon bee and mariah won't LMAO and that's F'O-real not L'Oreal nipsy | |
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MuthaFunka said: TonyVanDam said: There were no creoles in Texas pre-Hurricane Katrina!  | |
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meow85 said: Lightening up her skin was just not cool.
But, is it OK when they artificially tan white models? | |
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PANDURITO said: meow85 said: Lightening up her skin was just not cool.
But, is it OK when they artificially tan white models? That's just as stupid IMO. Be proud of what you've got, people. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Be proud of what you've got, people.
I blame Warhol
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MOST advertising is insulting to black people., especially food commercials | |
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BlaqueKnight said: MOST advertising is insulting to black people., especially food commercials
KFC, Church's, and Popeyes, anyone? Ads for fast food places that serve chicken are some of the worst offenders, but it goes beyond that. I guess that's one positive to Native's lack of media visibility. We'll never be pandered to offensively in ads. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Harlepolis said: namepeace said: But does black-generated/targeted media (television, music, videos, mags, et al.) send some of the same messages?
Hell yes! Its subtler now,,,but it doesn't take somebody to be sharp to know what time it is. There's absloutly NO dark skinned women in the hit charts,,,,and it won't be enough, soon they'll get rid of the red-toned women and there'll be nobody but white women singing RnB. could it be that maybe there is no good RnB music right now? And also no good dark skinned women that produce good records?? Don't you think that if there were any, the black community would go out and buy their stuff, so these would appear in the hit charts??? Don't you think?? | |
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abierman said: Harlepolis said: Hell yes! Its subtler now,,,but it doesn't take somebody to be sharp to know what time it is. There's absloutly NO dark skinned women in the hit charts,,,,and it won't be enough, soon they'll get rid of the red-toned women and there'll be nobody but white women singing RnB. could it be that maybe there is no good RnB music right now? And also no good dark skinned women that produce good records?? Don't you think that if there were any, the black community would go out and buy their stuff, so these would appear in the hit charts??? Don't you think?? No, no, yes and no. You want me to list the dark skinned females of the day for you? How much time you got? | |
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Harlepolis said: abierman said: could it be that maybe there is no good RnB music right now? And also no good dark skinned women that produce good records?? Don't you think that if there were any, the black community would go out and buy their stuff, so these would appear in the hit charts??? Don't you think?? No, no, yes and no. You want me to list the dark skinned females of the day for you? How much time you got? I got loads of time, I'm easy..... I firmly believe that if there are so many talented dark skinned women that produce good RnB, they would show up in the charts.....I believe the real problem is that the public (both black & white) is bored with the direction that modern RnB has taken itself, and therefore donb't buy that shit! This is not a race thing, and I think it is wrong to state it like that. It is just that the public in general are bored with modern RnB!  | |
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abierman said: Harlepolis said: No, no, yes and no. You want me to list the dark skinned females of the day for you? How much time you got? This is not a race thing. and I think its wrong to state it like that. Its thee BIG ELEPHANT that is sitting in the middle of the room, so to speak. Why shouldn't I state it like that when I'm looking straight @ it? EVERYTHING is about race,,,,if it wasn't an issue, you wouldn't see everything catering to it, esp money. Here're couple of talented dark skinned sistas: Conya Doss India Arie Angie Stone Ledisi Hill St. Soul Sandra St. Victor Choklate Lizz Wright Sharon Jones(Of the Dap Kings) Not only do they go after the dark skinned women but the dames with the "certain weight" or women(thin or thick) who happen to have an overly afrocentric image as well.. Ann Nesby Kelly Price Jill Scott Erykah Badu Lalah Hathaway Adriana Evans Trina Broussard And many monre to mention. You have to understand, white America is sensitive to everything that may alienate its youth, no matter how much substance and depth it possesse. So there's your argument, a WHOLE bunch of black women with extremely talented skills and nothing to show for it because they couldn't fit the description of a magazine cover or the "brown paper bag" test. And yes, GOOD RnB is still around,,,,,but there's no labels to support it. How do you want the people to go out and support it if the mainstream media isn't? Not everybody's gonna hit the internet and look for them on blogs, and even so, that won't put money on their pockets. [Edited 8/20/08 6:10am] | |
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Although I like Crazy In Love, I was disappointed in her for going the shit-hop route cause I thought she had raw talent and could have been like another shitney or Mariah and been mature, but she was acting ghetto fab and using sex to sell. I liked her second album way better than the first, I loved the ballads like Flaws and All, Listen, Resentment, Kissing You and If, and the jackson 5-ish vibes of Suga Mama, and Deja Vu. I hope she goes the mature route with her next album. | |
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Harlepolis said: abierman said: This is not a race thing. and I think its wrong to state it like that. Its thee BIG ELEPHANT that is sitting in the middle of the room, so to speak. Why shouldn't I state it like that when I'm looking straight @ it? EVERYTHING is about race,,,,if it wasn't an issue, you wouldn't see everything catering to it, esp money. Here're couple of talented dark skinned sistas: Conya Doss India Arie Angie Stone Ledisi Hill St. Soul Sandra St. Victor Choklate Lizz Wright Sharon Jones(Of the Dap Kings) Not only do they go after the dark skinned women but the dames with the "certain weight" or women(thin or thick) who happen to have an overly afrocentric image as well.. Ann Nesby Kelly Price Jill Scott Erykah Badu Lalah Hathaway Adriana Evans Trina Broussard And many monre to mention. You have to understand, white America is sensitive to everything that may alienate its youth, no matter how much substance and depth it possesse. So there's your argument, a WHOLE bunch of black women with extremely talented skills and nothing to show for it because they couldn't fit the description of a magazine cover or the "brown paper bag" test. And yes, GOOD RnB is still around,,,,,but there's no labels to support it. How do you want the people to go out and support it if the mainstream media isn't? Not everybody's gonna hit the internet and look for them on blogs, and even so, that won't put money on their pockets. [Edited 8/20/08 6:10am] Preach!  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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alphastreet said: Although I like Crazy In Love, I was disappointed in her for going the shit-hop route cause I thought she had raw talent and could have been like another shitney or Mariah and been mature, but she was acting ghetto fab and using sex to sell. I liked her second album way better than the first, I loved the ballads like Flaws and All, Listen, Resentment, Kissing You and If, and the jackson 5-ish vibes of Suga Mama, and Deja Vu. I hope she goes the mature route with her next album.
I heard she's doing another song with Jay-Z so at least one track will still be along the lines of the same ole stuff. I'll check back on her in a decade or so. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Harlepolis said: You have to understand, white America is sensitive to everything that may alienate its youth, no matter how much substance and depth it possesse. So there's your argument, a WHOLE bunch of black women with extremely talented skills and nothing to show for it because they couldn't fit the description of a magazine cover or the "brown paper bag" test. Excellent analysis, Harl, and if I may, I'd like to add one caveat. Black America is a factor in this as well. Music as a whole has become as much a visual medium as anything else. It's distributed via video and it's marketed and promoted through images. This is plainly obvious, I know, but black Americans are among the biggest consumer classes in the country. Black Americans, by and large, set the trends and make the stars in R&B. We like looking at Cassie, Beyonce, Rihanna, et al. We may like LISTENING to Erykah, Jill, Ledisi and Jaguar, but we don't need to look at them because their primary purpose is making music. The Queen of Soul is Aretha Franklin. Could she have made it today? Martha Wash had one of the best and most sought-after voices in pop music in the early 1990's and she couldn't be recognized in a lineup. Janet kills herself with yo-yo dieting to stay relevant, and she's one of the biggest female recording stars in history. But her look has increasingly more to do with her appeal than her voice (which is just as much her fault as ours). Music has become visual, and the market is reflective of our own standards of beauty, in both the black and white communities. Great post, Harl.  Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Harlepolis said: abierman said: This is not a race thing. and I think its wrong to state it like that. Its thee BIG ELEPHANT that is sitting in the middle of the room, so to speak. Why shouldn't I state it like that when I'm looking straight @ it? EVERYTHING is about race,,,,if it wasn't an issue, you wouldn't see everything catering to it, esp money. Here're couple of talented dark skinned sistas: Conya Doss India Arie Angie Stone Ledisi Hill St. Soul Sandra St. Victor Choklate Lizz Wright Sharon Jones(Of the Dap Kings) Not only do they go after the dark skinned women but the dames with the "certain weight" or women(thin or thick) who happen to have an overly afrocentric image as well.. Ann Nesby Kelly Price Jill Scott Erykah Badu Lalah Hathaway Adriana Evans Trina Broussard And many monre to mention. You have to understand, white America is sensitive to everything that may alienate its youth, no matter how much substance and depth it possesse. So there's your argument, a WHOLE bunch of black women with extremely talented skills and nothing to show for it because they couldn't fit the description of a magazine cover or the "brown paper bag" test. And yes, GOOD RnB is still around,,,,,but there's no labels to support it. How do you want the people to go out and support it if the mainstream media isn't? Not everybody's gonna hit the internet and look for them on blogs, and even so, that won't put money on their pockets. [Edited 8/20/08 6:10am]  | |
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The ads cater to "mainstream" America. Their target market is obvious. The idea is to make her as racially undefinable as possible for the purpose of pushing their product.
Considering that it was said that part of the reason for Farrah Franklin's "departure" from Destiny's Child was because she was naturally "lighter skinned" than Beyonce and it bugged papa Knowles that in many pictures she stood out more than his precious little star. Growing up with that mentality in her house, I can see how she wouldn't object to an ad like this. Keep in mind that the goal of the ad is to sell cosmetics. They are always going to target the larger market when creating the ads. | |
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namepeace said: Harlepolis said: You have to understand, white America is sensitive to everything that may alienate its youth, no matter how much substance and depth it possesse. So there's your argument, a WHOLE bunch of black women with extremely talented skills and nothing to show for it because they couldn't fit the description of a magazine cover or the "brown paper bag" test. Excellent analysis, Harl, and if I may, I'd like to add one caveat. Black America is a factor in this as well. Music as a whole has become as much a visual medium as anything else. It's distributed via video and it's marketed and promoted through images. This is plainly obvious, I know, but black Americans are among the biggest consumer classes in the country. Black Americans, by and large, set the trends and make the stars in R&B. We like looking at Cassie, Beyonce, Rihanna, et al. We may like LISTENING to Erykah, Jill, Ledisi and Jaguar, but we don't need to look at them because their primary purpose is making music. The Queen of Soul is Aretha Franklin. Could she have made it today? Martha Wash had one of the best and most sought-after voices in pop music in the early 1990's and she couldn't be recognized in a lineup. Janet kills herself with yo-yo dieting to stay relevant, and she's one of the biggest female recording stars in history. But her look has increasingly more to do with her appeal than her voice (which is just as much her fault as ours). Music has become visual, and the market is reflective of our own standards of beauty, in both the black and white communities. Great post, Harl. How prophetic was MTV when their very 1st video ever played was "Video Killed The Radio Star"? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: How prophetic was MTV when their very 1st video ever played was "Video Killed The Radio Star"?
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muse87 said: MuthaFunka said: How prophetic was MTV when their very 1st video ever played was "Video Killed The Radio Star"?
Crazy, ain't it? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Does Beyonce have approval rights of what pictures they are going to use? does she approve the final prints? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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