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Printableshorttrini said: People will pay for something that they want.
Erm, not really. How many times have you made a boot for a friend? Also, I have found that people who file, are those people who are looking for things that the are "out of print" or things that Itunes don't carry.
You're in the minority though and so are those searching for stuff out of print(stuff actually worth listening to  ), and the technology was backlash. It's not like this was tossed in the industry's lap and they passed it up for CD sales. It's bootlegging on steroids.
Maybe I'm underestimating the pool of those looking for rare and out of print material though. It seems to me that the bulk of DLing is a lot of the same worthless crap the machine is tossing out there now and up to five years back. You'd think that access to just about anything would make people step outside of what all kinds of media(including web spaces)are flooded with, but most don't seem to be all that interested. [Edited 8/1/08 15:11pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: 1. Shitney Houston
2. Shit Hop 3. Radio Monopolies 4. Record Label Merges and Monopolies Thanks VA. That's the short version of the article 728huey was showing.  Yep. Short, to the point, and telling it exactly like it went down. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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[quote] guitarslinger44 said: krayzie said: A bunch of naive stuff
So which label do you work for?  Oh Lord, I'm dying up in here!Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Graycap23 said: krayzie said: LOL Oh not that weak ass argument again... There's nothing more hypocrital than blaming poor music quality to explain the sudden decline of CD sales... Are you assuming that if music was extraordinary good, artists would sell records by millions like in the good old days ???? And everybody would prefer to spend 15 dollars over downloading music for free ?... Give me a break.... Who's stupid enough to buy that ??? The highest peak of CD sales was year 2000, and who were the top selling acts : Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Christina Aguilera and N Sync That argument is the dumbest ever made...
Good or Bad music, artists will never sell anymore... Again, I'm ONLY speaking 4 me. I will and do BUY the cd's. me, too. A free file doesn't fill my desire to get a complete product, with album art, liner notes & better sound to boot. My Legacy
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Dance said: shorttrini said: People will pay for something that they want.
Erm, not really. How many times have you made a boot for a friend? Also, I have found that people who file, are those people who are looking for things that the are "out of print" or things that Itunes don't carry.
You're in the minority though and so are those searching for stuff out of print(stuff actually worth listening to ), and the technology was backlash. It's not like this was tossed in the industry's lap and they passed it up for CD sales. It's bootlegging on steroids.
Maybe I'm underestimating the pool of those looking for rare and out of print material though. It seems to me that the bulk of DLing is a lot of the same worthless crap the machine is tossing out there now and up to five years back. You'd think that access to just about anything would make people step outside of what all kinds of media(including web spaces)are flooded with, but most don't seem to be all that interested. [Edited 8/1/08 15:11pm] I have not made a boot for a friend in awhile. However, let me asked you this, if you're a fan of an artist, I am willing to bet that you would pay money for that artist's material instead of getting the boot. Although there are those that are downloading new stuff, there are those who are downloading old hard to find music or music from yester year, more than you might think. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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Bishop31 said: Dance said:
Kid... nevermind Let me know the joke so I can laugh also.
I'm not laughing cuz I get the joke. I'm only laughing cuz Dance's laugh is always so infectious. | |
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lastdecember said: Downloading is only hurting the "mainstream" that is out there today. Nobody is downloading and ripping off the new Tony Bennet or Barry Manilow for the most part, the longevity of artists and the older crowd are all that can save things.
Things this article missed is The elimination of artists building catalog, also Target being called a music retailer is why you are where you are at. Go into Best Buy now and see how the crunch of label prices is effected what they carry and how long they can sale price a cd and how many they can sale price. I said this almost 10 years ago when people were crying over cd prices saying that stores like Tower and Goody were ripping the "consumer" off, when it was the label destroying the retailer. Basicall labels killed their own children, and sorry to say, music will die off in this generation, though people say it will never die, well stick around and see how. IM laughing at your comment and that entire article posted. |
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Its so funny. Do they realize people aren't buying music like that cause its crap. The mainstream music today stinks. I only support a few artists. and thats cause im a loyal fan.
but i have not even bought rihanna's latest album. who wouldn't download that stuff for free. its garbage anyways. and you will get tired of listening to it after a few months.
its not worth investing in, when it will be one of those songs you like for a minute and then a year later look back and think, why did i like this crap.
If people made good solid albums, Not just two or three decent songs and the rest, slow boring fillers, then i would buy the album. But im not wasting money on some junk. When i can get it for free from a friend. And to top it off, the music artist today act so arrogant, like they are jesus christ, and save someone body's life, So i don't want to put money in their pocket either. |
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krayzie said: Graycap23 said: The article makes some valid points but if left quite a bit out. That said, I don't believe I've heard very many cd's WORTH my money. Or let me put it 2 u this way, when I hear something really GOOD, I go out and BUY the cd.
Prince, Mint Condition, Ledisi, Meshell and others still command me actually buying their product. It's pretty simple 2 me. Free does NOT awlays mean good. LOL Oh not that weak ass argument again... There's nothing more hypocrital than blaming poor music quality to explain the sudden decline of CD sales... Are you assuming that if music was extraordinary good, artists would sell records by millions like in the good old days ???? And everybody would prefer to spend 15 dollars over downloading music for free ?... Give me a break.... Who's stupid enough to buy that ??? The highest peak of CD sales was year 2000, and who were the top selling acts : Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Christina Aguilera and N Sync That argument is the dumbest ever made...
Good or Bad music, artists will never sell anymore... but you have to realize music has gotten even worst then before. and i remember during 2000s is when i got my first cd player i was 14 and went out buying britney spears albums and janet jackson. So i think it also has a lot to do with technology being available. |
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shorttrini said: Dance said: But like I said, the sharing came out of ridiculous CD prices and total crap music and by the time that door was opened how could they possibly reel it in or get people to pay a fee? People will pay for something that they want. They will not, however, pay for what they don't want. I have the perfect example. There was a song done a few years ago called, "I don't ever wanna see you again", by a artist who called himself, Uncle Sam. Now, I like that song. I like it some much in fact, I purchased the CD. That song was not only the best song on the CD, but it was the LAST song on the CD. This meant that I had to wade through 9 tracks to hear the song that I liked. I had spend $12 bucks on that CD, this does not include bus fare. This was certainly a case of clever marketing by the record company. This has stopped with the concept of file sharing and Itunes. Those who file share, now have a choice. Also, I have found that people who file, are those people who are looking for things that the are "out of print" or things that Itunes don't carry. As a D.J., I find most of my house music on different file sharing services. Why, because they are out of print everywhere else. exactly. I wasn't going to buy the cd anyways. So if i can get it for free why not. If i can't get it for free, then oh well, i didn't want it anyways. |
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The idea that music dieing may seem crazy to people, but wake up! Why does it have to survive? If everyones philosphy is "im not going to pay for this unless i like it" is total bullshit, because people still are buying shit albums with tons of filler by artists that will never record again and are good for nothing but a ringtone on some assholes cellphone. But im sick of hearing that artists will always survive. Sure established ones will, the ones that have been around and have fan bases and can tour, but what happens when they stop? Does everyone think a new breed is going to come along? Look it takes money to put things together yourself, and if labels are gone and retail is gone, whos gonna pay for some new artist that doesnt have the money? your talent can only get you so far. So you will see new artists start to dwindle down to nothing and like anything else music will die off, just like the 8-track and the cassette tape. Work within the business and then you can understand how this happens, consumers have no clue how things work. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I'm sick & tired of the entire music industry!
And of all the artists, wether they be long-standing or flavors of the week. And of all the fans. Fuck everybody!  !! | |
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lastdecember said: The idea that music dieing may seem crazy to people, but wake up! Why does it have to survive? If everyones philosphy is "im not going to pay for this unless i like it" is total bullshit, because people still are buying shit albums with tons of filler by artists that will never record again and are good for nothing but a ringtone on some assholes cellphone. But im sick of hearing that artists will always survive. Sure established ones will, the ones that have been around and have fan bases and can tour, but what happens when they stop? Does everyone think a new breed is going to come along? Look it takes money to put things together yourself, and if labels are gone and retail is gone, whos gonna pay for some new artist that doesnt have the money? your talent can only get you so far. So you will see new artists start to dwindle down to nothing and like anything else music will die off, just like the 8-track and the cassette tape. Work within the business and then you can understand how this happens, consumers have no clue how things work.
People are buying those albums based on the artist's rep alone. Like you said, as long as that artist has a fanbase, people will buy their stuff. Yes, that artist may have one hit on that cd and the rest is "filler", but their true fans will buy it nonetheless. As for those new artist that you are talking about, I think that you will see a more indie labels coming out, that will be run by the artist themselves. These indie labels will have to rely on file sharing services to get their music heard. Most new artist, even though they are in it for the money, they know it is NOT going to happen overnight. They know that if they want their music heard, it is going to take alot of blood, sweet and tears. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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damn thats crazy son ~downloading 40 songs~ crazyness. | |
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shorttrini said: lastdecember said: The idea that music dieing may seem crazy to people, but wake up! Why does it have to survive? If everyones philosphy is "im not going to pay for this unless i like it" is total bullshit, because people still are buying shit albums with tons of filler by artists that will never record again and are good for nothing but a ringtone on some assholes cellphone. But im sick of hearing that artists will always survive. Sure established ones will, the ones that have been around and have fan bases and can tour, but what happens when they stop? Does everyone think a new breed is going to come along? Look it takes money to put things together yourself, and if labels are gone and retail is gone, whos gonna pay for some new artist that doesnt have the money? your talent can only get you so far. So you will see new artists start to dwindle down to nothing and like anything else music will die off, just like the 8-track and the cassette tape. Work within the business and then you can understand how this happens, consumers have no clue how things work.
People are buying those albums based on the artist's rep alone. Like you said, as long as that artist has a fanbase, people will buy their stuff. Yes, that artist may have one hit on that cd and the rest is "filler", but their true fans will buy it nonetheless. As for those new artist that you are talking about, I think that you will see a more indie labels coming out, that will be run by the artist themselves. These indie labels will have to rely on file sharing services to get their music heard. Most new artist, even though they are in it for the money, they know it is NOT going to happen overnight. They know that if they want their music heard, it is going to take alot of blood, sweet and tears. but thats where the problem is, artists that are now running their own labels, like a john mellencamp,rick sprinfield,prince etc..they dont have to worry because they have the base already built when they were with a label. but someone out of the gate is gonna need something to get that up and running, many little indie labels arent "indie" they are owned by bigger labels. But what you wont see is an artist being able to survive just on making his own cd (which costs money) playing his own gigs (which can cost alot in booking), there will have to be some sort of involvement from another investor, or this way of doing things will not work anymore. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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TheMightyCelestial said: I'm sick & tired of the entire music industry!
And of all the artists, wether they be long-standing or flavors of the week. And of all the fans. Fuck everybody! !!I'm not that far from co-signing this. | |
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shorttrini said: lastdecember said: The idea that music dieing may seem crazy to people, but wake up! Why does it have to survive? If everyones philosphy is "im not going to pay for this unless i like it" is total bullshit, because people still are buying shit albums with tons of filler by artists that will never record again and are good for nothing but a ringtone on some assholes cellphone. But im sick of hearing that artists will always survive. Sure established ones will, the ones that have been around and have fan bases and can tour, but what happens when they stop? Does everyone think a new breed is going to come along? Look it takes money to put things together yourself, and if labels are gone and retail is gone, whos gonna pay for some new artist that doesnt have the money? your talent can only get you so far. So you will see new artists start to dwindle down to nothing and like anything else music will die off, just like the 8-track and the cassette tape. Work within the business and then you can understand how this happens, consumers have no clue how things work.
People are buying those albums based on the artist's rep alone. Like you said, as long as that artist has a fanbase, people will buy their stuff. Yes, that artist may have one hit on that cd and the rest is "filler", but their true fans will buy it nonetheless. As for those new artist that you are talking about, I think that you will see a more indie labels coming out, that will be run by the artist themselves. These indie labels will have to rely on file sharing services to get their music heard. Most new artist, even though they are in it for the money, they know it is NOT going to happen overnight. They know that if they want their music heard, it is going to take alot of blood, sweet and tears. the music industry is just a popularity contest now. |
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The record industry has never made any mistakes at all. It is a perfect industry. The only reason it is failing is because of filesharing, the artists, the consumers, the tooth fairy, Reaganomics, 9/11, video games, the Easter bunny, the black panthers, Julia Child, Oprah, the screen actors guild, the illumaniti, people who buy cinnabuns, professional athletes, Santa Claus, the aliens that walk among us, Abe Vagoda, Queen Elizabeth, Al-Queda, and PETA. Its all their fault.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: The record industry has never made any mistakes at all. It is a perfect industry. The only reason it is failing is because of filesharing, the artists, the consumers, the tooth fairy, Reaganomics, 9/11, video games, the Easter bunny, the black panthers, Julia Child, Oprah, the screen actors guild, the illumaniti, people who buy cinnabuns, professional athletes, Santa Claus, the aliens that walk among us, Abe Vagoda, Queen Elizabeth, Al-Queda, and PETA. Its all their fault.
Fucking PETA! 
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