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PrintableButterscotchPimp said: Wow. So much mis-information.
Well, being from the birthplace of techno (DETROIT) i guess i'll have to represent. Pretty much there are three people that are responsible for what came to be called "techno music", Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May. Techno is sort of a hybrid of house music and industrial music. It came to be because of the music that was getting played on Detroit radio in the early 80's. Detroit was somewhat unique as being a largely urban city there was a lot of electronic music getting played on the radio. Yellow Magic Orchestra and Kraftwerk were HUGE in Detroit at the time and the three aformentioned "godfathers of techno" decided to create electronic dance music that sounded like Detroit. There are numerous books on the topic. And you can Google these guys and see some of the songs that define the techno sound. What gets confusing for non-techno people is how the genre took off over in Europe and how it spawned a trillion sub-genres, so the term got used a lot more than it should. I forgot about Detroit. It almost seems as though it might have been spawned in two separate places almost at the same time. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: Techno...One of those gereneric terms of music that used to mean something but became synonomous with electronic dance music in general.
True techno came from Industrial Music, which was being made in mostly Germany and somewhat in Europe. Industrial Music : Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Front Line Assembly etc. As the 90's started rolling around, industrial music was on a downturn and was making way for more dancier tunes. Same thing was happening at the same time with goth music as well...though that took a little longer to manifest and cannabalize the goth scene. Earlier techno was a lot more repetitive and honestly not too listenable today. What started to happen was that people/bands like 808 State, Bizzare Inc, Shamen etc was fusing some house elements to Techno to make it more organic and listenable. The music went somewhere with it's melodies bubbling up from underneath as opposed to being laid on top (like House music). So that went on for quite a while in the 90's and as it did and bands like 808 moving to the wayside, a new form of Techno emerged. However good it was it started blending ever more so into the electronic musical sound scape. Newer music emerged such as minimal house or tech house i.e. Jeff Mills. Not to memtion that Trance and all of it's influences were emergin on the scene too...stripping Techno from any semblance of identity. I have heard GOOD techno and the last I heard was in the beginning of this century. I haven't heard that much of it since. Like House Music ...good techno music is very hard to find. i always thought nitzer ebb was EBM. the good EBM, not the EBM of today. | |
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baroque said: superspaceboy said: Techno...One of those gereneric terms of music that used to mean something but became synonomous with electronic dance music in general.
True techno came from Industrial Music, which was being made in mostly Germany and somewhat in Europe. Industrial Music : Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Front Line Assembly etc. As the 90's started rolling around, industrial music was on a downturn and was making way for more dancier tunes. Same thing was happening at the same time with goth music as well...though that took a little longer to manifest and cannabalize the goth scene. Earlier techno was a lot more repetitive and honestly not too listenable today. What started to happen was that people/bands like 808 State, Bizzare Inc, Shamen etc was fusing some house elements to Techno to make it more organic and listenable. The music went somewhere with it's melodies bubbling up from underneath as opposed to being laid on top (like House music). So that went on for quite a while in the 90's and as it did and bands like 808 moving to the wayside, a new form of Techno emerged. However good it was it started blending ever more so into the electronic musical sound scape. Newer music emerged such as minimal house or tech house i.e. Jeff Mills. Not to memtion that Trance and all of it's influences were emergin on the scene too...stripping Techno from any semblance of identity. I have heard GOOD techno and the last I heard was in the beginning of this century. I haven't heard that much of it since. Like House Music ...good techno music is very hard to find. i always thought nitzer ebb was EBM. the good EBM, not the EBM of today. WHat is EBM really? That term is more generic than Industrial or Techno. I believe NE were "industrial" until they were then deemed as "EBM" and I think they probably hated BOTH labels slapped on them. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: baroque said: i always thought nitzer ebb was EBM. the good EBM, not the EBM of today. WHat is EBM really? That term is more generic than Industrial or Techno. I believe NE were "industrial" until they were then deemed as "EBM" and I think they probably hated BOTH labels slapped on them. electric body music. i don't know the deathrockers say its stuff like D.A.F. i agree with you they probably hated those two labels. personally the only thing in the electronica genre is well darkwave, krautrock(you know kraftwerk,etc) coldwave and anything with visual kei in it. SO MANY DAMN LABELS. | |
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techno is exactly the 90s version of disco. and both genres are 4/4 beat repetitive. | |
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eaglebear4839 said: techno is exactly the 90s version of disco. and both genres are 4/4 beat repetitive.
So is House and Trance and most dance music. I think House came from Disco. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: eaglebear4839 said: techno is exactly the 90s version of disco. and both genres are 4/4 beat repetitive.
So is House and Trance and most dance music. I think House came from Disco. yes. hence why alot of the house cats tend to sample disco records on their music. superspaceboy, a friend told me his favorite style of electronica is that of hardcore tech and gabber. do you know what those genres are? or what it is. [Edited 7/29/08 12:47pm] | |
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baroque said: superspaceboy said: So is House and Trance and most dance music. I think House came from Disco. yes. hence why alot of the house cats tend to sample disco records on their music. superspaceboy, a friend told me his favorite style of electronica is that of hardcore tech and gabber. do you know what those genres are? or what it is. [Edited 7/29/08 12:47pm] God I haven't heard of either of those in a while! (My rave days are long over I'm afraid) I am assuming that means Hardcore and Gabber (Tech is added on for effect). Since gabber is in the mix, I am going to assume "hardcore" means Happy Hardcore and Gabber would be the Opposite of "Happy". It's also called Gabbercore. Both are defined as really fast BPM...like 160 or above. NOT Techno NOR Trance, though they have roots (esp Happy Hardocre) in both. Again what differentiates them is BPM. Happy Hardcore is well Happy, Upbeat, Chipmunky voices (can be) Like this below Gabber or as I like to call it UnHappy Hardcore...is dark, demented, fast (Shoo I have heard this get so fast it has no beat anymore  ) and loud. Extremely repetitive (But that is the point). I've seen Mofo's get into the gabber room and hold on to the speakers for dear life. Atari Teenage Riot was close in sounding Gabber.
Good Example here 
I think both can be bad and simply annoying. But when good, I love them both. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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There's gonna be some really flambouyant bitch slapping going on this thread, I can feel it. | |
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* Ambient
o Ambient house o Ambient industrial o Ambient techno o Black ambient o Dark ambient o Drone music o Illbient o Lowercase o Psybient * Breakbeat o Baltimore Club o Big beat o Broken beat o Chemical breaks o Florida breaks o Nu skool breaks o Progressive breaks * Disco o Cosmic disco o Dance-punk o Eurodance o Euro disco o Hi-NRG o Italo dance o Italo disco o Spacesynth o Synthpop * Downtempo o Acid jazz o Balearic Beat o Chill out o Minimal Electronica o Glitch o Nu jazz o Trip hop (aka The Bristol Sound) * Electronic art music o Berlin School o Electroacoustic * Electro o Dirty electronic o Electro backbeat (aka anthem breaks) o Electroclash o Electropop o Freestyle music * Electronica o Bitpop o Chiptune o Downtempo o Folktronica o Futurepop o Glitch o IDM o Nu Jazz o Synthpop o Synthpunk o Trip hop * (UK) Garage (UKG) o Speed garage o 2-step o 4x4 o Breakstep (aka Breakbeat garage) o Dubstep o Grime (aka Sublow/8-bar/Eskibeat) o Bassline (aka 'Niche') o Funky * Hardcore/Hard dance o 4-beat o Bouncy techno o Breakbeat Hardcore o Breakcore o Darkcore o Digital hardcore o Doomcore o Freeform hardcore o Gabber o Happy hardcore o Hardstyle o Jumpstyle o Makina o Noisecore o Speedcore o UK Hardcore * House o Acid house o Bubblegum dance o Chicago house o Dark house o Deep house o Disco house o Electro house o French house o Freestyle house o (US) Garage o Ghetto house o Grind house o Hi-NRG o UK Hard house o Hip house o Italo house o Jumpstyle (Chicago hard house) o Kwaito o Latin house o Merenhouse o Minimal house/Microhouse o Pumpin' house o Progressive house o Skacid o Tribal house o Tech house * Industrial o Martial music o Neofolk o Post-Industrial o Electronic body music o Coldwave o Dark electro o Futurepop o Noise music o Power noise o Technoid * Jungle music/Drum and bass o Clownstep o Darkstep o Drumfunk o Futurestep o Hardstep o Intelligent drum and bass o Jump-Up o Liquid funk o Neurofunk o Ragga jungle o Raggacore o Sambass o Techstep o Trancestep (aka Electrostep) * Techno o Acid techno o BrainDance o Detroit techno o Freetekno o Ghettotech o IDM o Jtek o Minimal techno o New beat o Nortec o Rave music o Schranz o Wonky techno * Trance o Acid trance o Ambient trance o Classic trance o Dream trance o Euro-trance o Hard trance o Hardstyle o Nu-NRG o Progressive trance o Psychedelic trance/Goa trance + Full on + Goa trance + Dark psytrance + Nitzhonot + Progressive psytrance + Psybient + Psybreaks + South African psytrance + Suomisaundi o Tech trance o Uplifting trance/Epic trance o Vocal trance * Related fusion genres o Space music o New Age music o Ethnic electronica o New Wave music o New Romantic o Dark Wave o Ethereal Wave  Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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