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Thread started 07/26/08 10:54pm

Dance

Harmonicas

[rant]Is there anything more useless and painful than the sound of a harmonica?

I mean for me it just KILLS any song and it's a total joke that some will cite someone's "skill" with this mess.

Skill? Hell, you could play a kazoo and sound like these jackoffs. You could play a sandwich like Al Bundy and sound like them.[/rant]

Mmmkay, as you were.
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Reply #1 posted 07/27/08 11:26am

RodeoSchro

I don't hate harmonicas, but I have to give major props to any post that mentions Al Bundy!

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Reply #2 posted 07/27/08 12:29pm

babynoz

HOW. DARE. YOU! eek

A pox on your house!

May the gods cause a thousand boils to rise on your buttocks!

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

Listen to a master and repent your wicked ways!
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #3 posted 07/27/08 1:10pm

theAudience

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It's hard for me to tell when Dance is being serious or in hardcore chain-pulling mode.
A good excuse to discuss the instrument regardless.

In the "right hands", the harmonica/harp can be as expressive as any other instrument (in the right hands).





...Little Walter


Not limited to the Blues...





...Toots Thielemans



New cat on the scene (Dapp Theory & Marcus Miller)...




...Gregoire Maret

Funny story behind the 2nd clip (from the 2007 North Sea Jazz Festival).
When Amy Winehouse cancelled at the last minute due to "exhaustion" rolleyes , Marcus Miller's band (along with some notable guests) stepped in to fill the spot.
He humorously called the band Rehab.

The drummer in the Dapp Theory clip is Sean Rickman.
(son of fabled guitarist Phil Upchurch)


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

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[Edited 7/27/08 13:13pm]
"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all."
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Reply #4 posted 07/27/08 1:13pm

SPYZFAN1

As Aud said, if it's in the right hands the harp can be cool. Sly and Stevie made it funky on some of their cuts.
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Reply #5 posted 07/27/08 1:19pm

Dance

SPYZFAN1 said:

As Aud said, if it's in the right hands the harp can be cool. Sly and Stevie made it funky on some of their cuts.


That damn kazoo ruined some of Stevie's best work.
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Reply #6 posted 07/27/08 1:41pm

theAudience

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Dance said:

That damn kazoo ruined some of Stevie's best work.

Herbie Hancock's take (imo, an arrangement that gives the song more depth than the original) on Stevie's I Just Called To Say I Love You (from the album Possibilities).

Link: http://music.aol.com/song...ou/7110800
(I was expecting only 30 seconds but the entire song played)

Raul Midon - vocals
Greg Phillinganes - keys, co-producer
Stevie Wonder - harmonica solo

Pretty nice "kazoo" work if you ask me. smile


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Reply #7 posted 07/27/08 1:42pm

babynoz

Dance said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

As Aud said, if it's in the right hands the harp can be cool. Sly and Stevie made it funky on some of their cuts.


That damn kazoo ruined some of Stevie's best work.




Don't. Make. Me. Come. Over. There! neutral
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #8 posted 07/27/08 1:56pm

Dance

Kazoos add nothing, but an annoying bit of noise. It makes about as much sense as bagpipes. Hell, even bagpipes I'm sure can be used well, but a kazoo? NO.
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Reply #9 posted 07/27/08 2:37pm

dannyd5050

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Early Beatles. John Lennon. Love Me Do. Please Please Me... cool
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Reply #10 posted 07/27/08 3:05pm

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I agree with you Dance that sometimes a whiney harmonica in the hands of an untalented player would best be left alone, early Dylan stuff for instance and for whatever reason, I just can't stand John Popper's playing although I'll admit he's plenty talented.

But I also agree with the Audience that in the hands of the right person the harmonica is a serious instrument.

Lee Oskar who used to blow for War in the early days is still around and produces his own line of custom instruments that give harp players more far reaching options in what kinds of sounds they can make.

http://www.leeoskar.com/funkyblues.html
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Reply #11 posted 07/27/08 3:57pm

babynoz

DakutiusMaximus said:

I agree with you Dance that sometimes a whiney harmonica in the hands of an untalented player would best be left alone, early Dylan stuff for instance and for whatever reason, I just can't stand John Popper's playing although I'll admit he's plenty talented.

But I also agree with the Audience that in the hands of the right person the harmonica is a serious instrument.

Lee Oskar who used to blow for War in the early days is still around and produces his own line of custom instruments that give harp players more far reaching options in what kinds of sounds they can make.

http://www.leeoskar.com/funkyblues.html


Right on baby! I spent some of my all time best concert moments standing right up under Lee Oskar! Check my link on reply number 2...my favorite solo. music

Lee is blowing with those guys once again except for Lonnie Jordan...

http://www.lowriderband.com/

http://profile.myspace.co...=138451536

They can't use the name WAR due to a legal dispute. disbelief
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Reply #12 posted 07/27/08 5:31pm

ThreadBare

I happened upon a great article that discusses the complex genius of Stevie Wonder's harmonica playing. Sure, it's one thing to have an immediately identifiable tone and sound, but this article from the Raleigh News & Observer shows how Steveland's masterful playing is leagues beyond kazoo-tooting. lol

Harmonica of Wonder
By David Menconi, Staff Writer
News & Observer
Nov 23, 2007

Mel Melton still remembers the first time he ever saw Stevie Wonder play, 40-some years ago. Melton was 14, just a bit older than Wonder himself, who was one of the opening acts on a bill headlined by James Brown -- and the kid pretty much stole the show.
"Here comes this kid in a white tuxedo and a red shirt, playing 'Fingertips' on a chromatic harmonica," says Melton, who leads the area blues group Wicked Mojos. "I'd been playing for fun, just a regular harmonica. But seeing Stevie inspired me to get a chromatic harmonica.

"Of course, I couldn't play it for a long time -- let alone sound anything like he did."

In that regard, Melton has lots of company. There is much to admire about Wonder, who plays Raleigh's RBC Center on Thursday. One of the past century's all-time great musical masterminds, Wonder is a virtuoso singer, player and songwriter responsible for dozens of classic songs, covered by everyone from the Red Hot Chili Peppers to Durham jazz singer Nnenna Freelon.

But most of all, Wonder has a signature harmonica style that might be the most recognizable sound in all of popular music. If you could hear a smile, you'd hear Wonder's wailing harmonica.

All it takes is a few notes and you know it's him -- an exuberant sound as bright as a cloudless spring day, joy personified. Remarkably, Wonder had a fully realized style worked out by the age of 12, when he recorded the chart-topping "Fingertips -- Pt 2" for the aptly titled album "The 12-Year-Old Genius."

Wonder's harmonica has also graced hits by Chaka Khan, Elton John, Eurythmics and Sting, among others. But if you were to try to duplicate that sound yourself, good luck.

For one thing, Wonder's primary harmonica is a chromatic rather than the diatonic harmonica typically heard in blues (although he occasionally plays diatonic, such as on 1974's "Boogie on Reggae Woman"). Chromatic has up to 16 holes compared to the 10 holes on diatonic harmonica, so it offers a wider ranger of sounds. But chromatic harmonica is also significantly harder to play.

"Chromatic has a scale set up like a piano keyboard, where regular harmonica is on a diatonic scale," Melton says. "So chromatic is a totally different monster, a lot harder to play. It takes a lot more oxygen. You really have to learn circular breathing."

Circular breathing involves breathing in through the nose and storing air in the cheeks to blow through the mouth. Once you have that down, you can start working on the particulars of the Wonder sound -- which owes more to jazz than blues and is almost impossible for mere mortals to duplicate. But it helps to know a few tricks.

Harmonica master Randy Singer says one key is in how you manipulate the chromatic harmonica's slide, which raises each hole's pitch by a half-step.

"One of Stevie's big characteristics is to jab the slide forcibly," Singer says by phone from his home in Florida. "He's also basically singing, but using a harmonica to sing with, putting vibrato on it. And if you do that and bend the note at the same time, you get a shifting effect. I think the last thing is he gets a sort of fluttering effect with his tongue. Combine all that and you get this, a Steve thing."

Singer puts down the phone and demonstrates a more-than-decent approximation of Wonder's solo on the 1968 hit "For Once in My Life."

"Using the slide with a jab, that's the secret," Singer concludes.

But, of course, you can diligently practice all that and you probably still won't sound anything like the master because ... well, he's Stevie Wonder and you're not.

"It sounds stupid to say he's a genius because it's so obvious," says Rick Estrin, who plays harmonica in the California blues band Little Charlie & the Nightcats. "He changed all of music probably as much as anyone other than James Brown, and his harmonica sound is very original. Nobody sounded like him before. He's an original. Unequivocally, without Stevie Wonder, music today would be unrecognizable."

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