Not at all. And where's the "childish name calling"? Oh, i get it. Ya'll don't like being called "kool-aid kids". Ah, well. But it's the truth.

There is no "god of music". It's not Marvin, and it certainly ain't Prince.

And once again, i come here because i CAN. Been here longer than most of ya'll and will be there long after. I come here, because i've forgotten more about P than some of you know about him, and because i like SOME of the people that frequent this place, and once in a great while there's a good thread on here.

Most of the time, i marvel at the pedestal that P's been placed on by some of you, and i take my shots when i can at TRYING to get some of you to face REALITY.

So can we stop with the "why do you come here?" question just because i don't think P is the music messiah? He's talented for sure. But his albums of late have been ass, all of his movies have been ass (except SOTT), and every song he's done aren't all masterpieces. Period.

I got a question. When are y'all going to start talking about D'Angelo on this thread again? I thought that's who this thread was about, not Marvin Gaye or Prince.

you've said more than "koolaid kids" in this thread and even another poster asked you why you were being so nasty so its not just me. names don't bother me as much i just think its childish.

i don't ask "why you come here" because you don't think he's a music messiah. I ask because you yourself said you get pissed and i think its retarded to continuously visit a Prince fansite and get upset when people post favorable comments about Prince. Then get bent out of shape when everyone does not follow your OPINION. People here and offline view Prince as their favorite musician, there is nothing you're going to do to change that, and you should not care, big deal.

when you evoke such emotion that to me is a sign of jealousy, otherwise you would just let your OPINION be heard and not give a shit.
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I will; I remember a few years ago when D'angelo was talking shit about Prince putting out bad albums, not trying or whatever, and met the guy and said he felt like taking a shower afterwards. Way to talk about your hero D. Anyway, I didn't say much then but I just thought "what nerve, let's see where he is in a few years" and look at him. hahahah.

Yeah, I remember him knocking P for putting out bad joints...Wasn't hip to the part of him meeting P and then he felt like taking a shower afterwards...What kind of way out shit was that supposed to be? You're going to copy a cat to DEATH like he did on Untitled but then say something like that?

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Here we go now it has gone from Prince not crediting people who helped (which I don't doubt but that was their stupidity) to he did not really write much at all.
Nevermind that Albert Magoli said P had a 100 songs for Purple Rain and keep writing while they were filming sometimes coming up with stuff as he rewrote the script. Nevermind the musicians and studio engineers who discuss P comments about what the songs were about ( some are just to damm personal and weird to have involvement from others) and were around when he wrote them.

I don't doubt P had help and don't doubt he has stockpiled enough music that he probaly has not written anything new in years but the idea that he has a secret group that helped him the whole of his carreer is ridculous and even if he did he was still more productive than Marvin who had the whole Motown song writing machine and probaly the mob behind him.

Really? I never knew he made those statements. He has a right to his opinion but its really ironic considering his style of music and lack of output later. You just never know how things turn out.

It's all perception.
If you want to argue that Marvin didn't really "write" his songs because he had "help", then i'm arguing so did Prince.

AND (and i really wish you kool-aid kids would deal with reality ONCE in awhile) this MYTH of how many "songs" are in the vault is just that. I'm sure that P had "100 songs" for Purple Rain, and i'd guess that 90% of those had THE SAME DAMN MELODY. I'm sorry. But having been a fan of P since the beginning, and having heard a TON of the bootleg stuff that's out there, i don't think there's tons of masterpieces sitting in that "vault". I'd wager a large majority of it is crap that he didn't want out there, because it's simply that. CRAP. When he's doing a Morris impression over a drum loop, i'm sorry that's not a fucking SONG, that's an UNFINISHED IDEA.

Prince is not the fucking GOD OF MUSIC, and i wish ya'll would stop acting like he is.

Yeah, we can just wrap this up now. We're never going to agree. It's nice that you have an opinion; it's even better if you realize that's exactly what it is.

P's had a good career for sure. but again, his most prolific days are WAY behind him, and his concerts these days are more about people getting their nostalgia on, than being treated to a great concert. just because blind idol worship prevents some of you from seeing it, doesn't mean it's not the case.

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.I never said P was the God of music but he was a hell a lot more productive and influential than Marvin Gaye. I have been a fan from the beginning, P’s worst melodies were better than all of the crap that was out back then, and he is still better than 80% of the shit you are hearing on the radio today.

You can hear P's influence on some of the better musicians and groups out today and I am beginning to think you like many haters are a little jealous of P's success and fan base. Failing to realize that people are fans because the really like the music and enjoy his concerts not because he has cast a magic spell over anyone.
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I got a question. When are y'all going to start talking about D'Angelo on this thread again? I thought that's who this thread was about, not Marvin Gaye or Prince.

I got a question. When are y'all going to start talking about D'Angelo on this thread again? I thought that's who this thread was about, not Marvin Gaye or Prince.

The argument was that "Come Get To This", despite your attempts to claim otherwise, is not as well known as Marvin's other songs. And why are you bringing up The Beatles, Prince and MJ when I already said it's only in MARVIN'S CASE that his best known stuff ranks as some of his best work? Talk about moving the goalposts. There are certainly lesser known tracks of his that are fantastic too, but the problem is those ones were mostly co-written too.

The list of solo Marvin compositions you typed up earlier proved my point. I don't think many people would say a song like "Praise" can hold a candle to "Inner City Blues (Makes Me Wanna Holler)". I don't think you could seriously say "Got To Give It Up" is in the same league as "Let's Get It On". I don't think you could say "Heavy Love Affair" is in the same galaxy as "What's Going On". And I'm sorry, but imo "You Sure Love To Ball" does not compare to "Sexual Healing" or "Please Stay (Don't Go Away)".

I'm a big Marvin fan, but unlike some others, I don't let sentimentality cloud my judgement. Marvin was great, but if you want to rank songwriters then Bob Marley, Prince, Stevie Wonder and literally a hundred other writers would all have to go above him. As someone else said, Marvin was an underachiever. Only a raving sentimentalist would argue with that. He was jealous of Stevie for a reason.

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.I never said P was the God of music but he was a hell a lot more productive and influential than Marvin Gaye. I have been a fan from the beginning, P’s worst melodies were better than all of the crap that was out back then, and he is still better than 80% of the shit you are hearing on the radio today.

You can hear P's influence on some of the better musicians and groups out today and I am beginning to think you like many haters are a little jealous of P's success and fan base. Failing to realize that people are fans because the really like the music and enjoy his concerts not because he has cast a magic spell over anyone.
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my only response, because i'm tired of going back and forth with this is i bet if you talked to the majority of Prince's ex-bandmates, MOST of them would tell you that they ghost wrote a ton of songs over the years.

just because P made everyone sign agreements before even joining the band, basically forcing them to not only give up all of their songwriting credits but to also not be able to talk about him in the press afterwards, i don't think you can assume that Prince wrote most of his hits by himself. That's what he WANTS YOU TO THINK. that's different.

my only response, because i'm tired of going back and forth with this is i bet if you talked to the majority of Prince's ex-bandmates, MOST of them would tell you that they ghost wrote a ton of songs over the years.

just because P made everyone sign agreements before even joining the band, basically forcing them to not only give up all of their songwriting credits but to also not be able to talk about him in the press afterwards, i don't think you can assume that Prince wrote most of his hits by himself. That's what he WANTS YOU TO THINK. that's different.

I've heard all of those songs several times and I still can't hum a single one of them.

Then you're tone deaf mate. A statue could hum those.

You either didn't read Divided Soul (where the quote comes from) or else you know nothing about Marvin. Marvin was one of the most self aware and self critical pop stars EVER. He admitted to all kind of things that you would never expect. When Nelson George put it to him that Midnight Love was a sell out Marvin candidly said he agreed. When talking to David Ritz he confessed everything from his sexual insecurities to his petty jealousies and fears. I don't think anyone who's read Divided Soul would think Marvin was joking.

my only response, because i'm tired of going back and forth with this is i bet if you talked to the majority of Prince's ex-bandmates, MOST of them would tell you that they ghost wrote a ton of songs over the years.

just because P made everyone sign agreements before even joining the band, basically forcing them to not only give up all of their songwriting credits but to also not be able to talk about him in the press afterwards, i don't think you can assume that Prince wrote most of his hits by himself. That's what he WANTS YOU TO THINK. that's different.

Yeah, we can just wrap this up now. We're never going to agree. It's nice that you have an opinion; it's even better if you realize that's exactly what it is.

Divided Soul is an amazing book (which came about because Marvin loved David Ritz's impassioned defence of Here, My Dear in a letter to Rolling Stone).

Marvin was big on self-loathing at the best of times. He was pretty much at his absolute lowest ebb when he sat down with Ritz to do the book. He was in Ostend - no money, no career, no family, no country, no wife, basically living on the charity of a Belgian promoter. Combine the two and you'd get the mindset that would dismiss his crowning achievement and himself as a fraud.

You also failed to go into the context of the quote. Marvin saw himself as a singer first and foremost. He wanted to be the black Sinatra, yet, he felt he'd never achieve this aim because he was viewed as a sex symbol (although that's hardly surprising, when you make an album called Let's Get It On - a bit like D'Angelo hating women screaming at him to get his clothes off after he'd done a video stark bollock naked ... I mean - DUH!). A self-loathing self-defeatist all the way.