CynicKill said:

Seriously. What an idiot. Not for the suicide obviously but cry everyone a river that you're talented as hell and broads wanted you

ButterscotchPimp said:

What a ridiculous assumption! You think people bought concert tickets because they only wanted to see his body? Hello, they bought them cuz they wanted to hear him sing!

RipHer2Shreds said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

People don't go to concerts to hear the artist, they buy them so they can tell their friends they were there. How many times have you gone to a show and some bitch is on her phone yakking for most of the night?

RipHer2Shreds said:

It's the armchair psychologist trip. It's someone who has no idea telling someone else how to do their job. I'm sure that you'd be pissed off if D'Angelo came to your job and started telling YOU what to do and how to do it. Just because someone buys a record doesn't mean they really understand the person making it.

guitarslinger44 said:

OK, you know what????..... You're right When I went to see the Brand New Heavies last year, I am practically self flagilating because this was singularly the most hardcore spiritual thing for me and these assholes next to me were just talking through the whole thing.

but still!

guitarslinger44 said:

well you don't have to be the one taking a shit to know someone needs to wipe their ass

popgodazipa said:

Right On! I gotta agree with you on this. The issue is you gotta do your thing and understand everybody is not always gonna shower praise on you every album. If you're an artist, you gotta understand that's the nature of art and keep pushing.

Meloh9 said:

Yeah, I agree with all of that. I'm looking forward to hearing new music from him though (whenever it's coming out). I still listen to Brown Sugar and Voodoo on a regular basis, so I'm interested in hearing what he comes up with now.

I agree with those who said part of the problem Maxwell, D'Angelo, and Lauryn Hill ran into was trying to compare themselves to legends before they really had the credentials to back it up.

D'Angelo may have been pushed into that "Untitled" image but he certainly seemed to be loving it until that tour started.

Hill was all good with the comparisons to Roberta Flack and Nina Simone until it was proven that she needed help with her compositions.

Maxwell marketed himself in the mold of sensual Marvin and seems to be stuck there.

FunkyGraf said:

What does this mean? Are we talking songwriting, music writing or are people now dismissing her vocal talent as well?

FunkyGraf said:

That's why the fans nor the artist should buy into the HYPE of it all. U have 2 EARN certain things in this world.

Alicia Keys is the next so called GREAT who has NOT earned a damn thing. She can't even sing live or write a song that's NOT a direct bite off of someone else's work.

CynicKill said:

tell him to stop acting like a pussy and record some damn music..


so far, he isn't worth shit

Didn't Lauren Hill quit making music anyway to have a family?

Meloh9 said:

I remember ?uest mentioning that

popgodazipa said:

co- They some overly sensitive mo-fos but so is Prince but that didn't stop HIM from over-producing. So, nah, I think they just shot their load on the first coupla albums and didn't have shit left in the tank. So, kick rocks partna (until the next album REALLY shows up )

IstenSzek said:

Why not? Because: Excuses are the tools of the incompetent and with them we build the monuments of nothing.

guitarslinger44 said:

This shit right HERE is absolutely ridiculous PLUS the whole video-ing so you can see it later. Bitch, you're here NOW but instead of enjoying the moment you watching it throug a 1x1 screen. Those people drive me crazy!!!

Can someone explain this whole deal about Lauren Hill being exposed as a fraud?

If he didn't like women oogling over him, why didn't he just stay fat or unfit and continue to make music? To hell with them. If he's got music, he's got music. Put it out. Don't do videos. Better yet, don't do videos half-naked or don't appear in them like George Michael did.

As for Sade, she had already done about three or four albums before she started taking big breaks in between. Enough to firmly establish herself on the scene and drop a Best of disc to pass the time.

Here's the full article for y'all to read....

http://www6.mygazines.com...=undefined

The neosoul marketing kit is full of BS like this "oh so and so is a tortured artist and blah blah blah." This is one of the things they'll feed people until the market tests show that people will eat up their ghost hype and nonmusic again.

The neosoul douche era/trend was booming for a few years, but then people got bored with that trend while others saw through it. It also required more time, more marketing money, and more risk to create neosoul nonmusic and create its ghost popularity.

During this break they've tossed these douches into films and are hoping they can continue their roles as corporate bots that way.

The real story is that DAngelho is enjoying the scrap of money he's been able to make and has decided that he doesn't want to be in a film or sing hooks for shit hoppers right now. He's somewhere snorting his money and eating his weight in food and probably banging an Eddie Murphy girl.
[Edited 7/25/08 13:52pm]

popgodazipa said:

Damn...HELLA post! I agree 100%. That's the MAJOR difference between cats from the 70's and these "boys" today. Van Hunt runs his mouth entirely too much about motherfuckers not "understanding" him and shit. Fuck people not "understanding" you. I don't want folks "understanding" me. If you're a real artist, your music is ALL folks NEED to understand. Period. And if they can't get with that, then fuck em'. Move on to the next joint. I like D myself but I hate that all this press keeps coming out about what he ISN'T doing. If his album isn't ready, then stay the fuck out of the media UNTILL your shit IS ready. Damn..Maxwell was doing the same shit. Nobody gives a fuck WHY your shit isn't out. When your album is ready to drop, everybody will know about it. You don't have to tell the media. How is D going to crumble under the pressure? Ni%#a, what pressure?! " Oh player...I'm so fucked up cuz women want me to strip every night"...Are u serious? Can u see Marvin or Teddy flipping out, not recording because of that shit? Man...whatever. None of these cats have to worry about carrying no torch to save anything. Ain't nobody looking to these cats in that light. A cat put out 2 albums and it's the end of the world for them. Their lucky their in THESE times, cuz if they were in the 70's.....they wouldn't be able to pull this shit here.

PurpleCharm said:

When 'Miseducation' was released,Lauryn was listed as the album's producer and she was given credit for producing it herself.Some other producers sued her,claiming they actually did most of the work.They apparently won the case.

guitarslinger44 said:

But he'd have to spend some time at my job, learn what I do, how I do it, who I report to in order to know what to do. I'll I gotta do is put on his record, and if it sounds whack, I'd say (to the record), "Man, this is whack." I'm not actually telling him anything. I just won't be giving him any of my money.

You don't have to be a musician to know good or bad music.

But I'm just speaking generally and sort of playing devil's advocate because I don't agree with the logic as it applies to anyone (not just D'Angelo).

blackguitaristz said:

Van Hunt is very much guilty of this shit. I just want to say to him "Well write some fucking songs!".

Re D'Angelo, I do think he's special. "Voodoo"'s a weird album...not much in the way of "songs", but man, those grooves. I'll always be interested to hear what he comes up with.

"D'angelo may have been pushed into that 'Untitled' image but he certianly seemed to be loving until that tour started".

Co-sign. D is his own man and he made his own desicions. Evey picture I saw of him back then was either shirtless or more. Nothing wrong with being healty or looking good, but he created his own "sex messiah" image.

Jimi and Marvin were able to walk away from that and still create music for people to LISTEN to. And to be honest I never cared much for Lauryn Hill. She was brainwashed by her husband and believed her own hype. Wyclef said her ego became real huge during that time.

popgodazipa said:

Yeah, I used to have that opinion myself too.

BUT THEN AGAIN....

Damn near all of them(minus D) recorded a WHOLE album, hell L-Boogie recorded a double CD-set album called "Kalumba Phase" but both albums were rejected; L-Boogie was rejected because her new album was more political/social(and the label feared it might offend alot of people, like one of the songs offended the Pope) and more rock-oriented, Maxwell focused on the homosexuality thing(which the label feared it might kill his female fanbase).

So, I think its unfair that we lay the WHOLE blame on them and forget about the label who rejected their effort in the beginning for catering to the commercial needs.

Stevie/James/Prince's time was different,,,,their label gave them COMPLETE creative control and never 2nd guessed their choices,,,,like nowadays.

popgodazipa said:

I bet tables would stop getting bussed if the bus boys could afford to stop bussing them. If I could afford it I might take a decade or two to "find myself" before ever doing anything again

blackguitaristz said: