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PrintableBack to the kids though, I don't know if we can be clear if he adopted them or what, but I can say one thing, I do think he is raising them right. I would hope he is. A lot of people say he's a great dad anyway. | |
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Timmy84 said: I hate it when people actually debate whether or not he's gonna die or something. That's why when people reported him in the wheelchair, a lot of the tabloid media labeled it "Jacko's Demise" or "the fading health of the former King of Pop" and all of that nonsense. Regardless he's still an important part of music history and pop culture and that'll be terrible to even get that news. Personally I want to think he's okay and healthy. That's the fan in me.
Yeah, but the reality is with all the real and alleged surgeries he has had (and quite a few for vanity purposes) and the apparent deterioration of his body it would not surprise me if there was breaking news story that Michael Jackson died of natural causes. You would have to be blindly loyal to say you would be shocked. Traffic accident, plane crash a la Otis Redding or killed by gunshot a la Marvin Gaye and Sam Cooke? Yeah, I would be shocked. Found dead? No. [Edited 7/12/08 15:05pm] | |
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LittleAmy said: Timmy84 said: I hate it when people actually debate whether or not he's gonna die or something. That's why when people reported him in the wheelchair, a lot of the tabloid media labeled it "Jacko's Demise" or "the fading health of the former King of Pop" and all of that nonsense. Regardless he's still an important part of music history and pop culture and that'll be terrible to even get that news. Personally I want to think he's okay and healthy. That's the fan in me.
Yeah, but the reality is with all the real and alleged surgeries he has had (and quite a few for vanity purposes) and the apparent deterioration of his body it would not surprise me if there was breaking news story that Michael Jackson died of natural causes. You would have to be blindly loyal to say you would be shocked. Traffic accident, plane crash a la Otis Redding or killed by gunshot a la Marvin Gaye and Sam Cooke? Yeah, I would be shocked. Found dead? No. [Edited 7/12/08 15:05pm] Oh no. I don't think I'd be shocked. I'll just be very sad about it, you know? Yeah I would be shocked if he died the way his soul contemporaries did (though in this stage I doubt that'll happen either). It's hard to be optimistic about anything MJ when so much baggage has come in the last several years. As a fan, you can only hope an artist can come out of the pain they're in and find a way to not be so obsolete. With MJ, it's hard because we expect this kind of behavior from him. In some regard, it's what makes Michael Michael. So if he dies, a lot of questions would definitely be raised. | |
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Im an MJ fan. I don't think those are his biological children. I do think he has issues with being black. The vitiligo issue is up in the air but I wouldn't be shocked if it came out he really didn't have it, but that doesn't make me any less of a fan of his than if he was humanly perfect. So I do understand why other people believe these things about him also, I just don't understand the need to ridicule him for it. I don't think he's a horrible person for the way he is, or the way he thinks. He's really not harming anyone, he might be a role model for black kids out there but if they're proud in themselves his issues really shouldn't affect them and if it does they would have these issues whether Michael did or not. | |
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You guys have obviously not seen interracial couples and the children that they produce. Not all interracial children have creay brown skin and tightly waved hair. some of them can actually pass on being european. If you compared mikes preteen body with his older kids - yes they are structurally similar- their facial features are their moms though- except for those ears- those are mike's big ears.
As for the white/black issue- i'm having a hard time believing someone would be willing to risk having cancer and agree to cover up their skin and avoid the sun just for the simple fact that they prefered being a lighter color. if this is the case- his illness is seriously psycological and the people around him including his family are at fault for not insisting he got help alot earlier - before he potentially had ruined his life, those children's lives and his children's lives. LOVE HARD. | |
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LittleAmy said: Sadly, I've gotten to the point where if there was a breaking story that Michael Jackson died of natural causes I would not be surprised. He seems like one of those people who is close to death's door.[Edited 7/12/08 14:45pm]
Just like you? Its just funny to me how everytime pictures of his kids are posted, the argument remains the same. How much longer are some of you all gonna debate this? bottom line, whether you think they are his kids or not, ultimately YOUR OPINION DOES'NT MATTER! And it just amazes me how quick some of you are to sit behind your PC's and brutally criticize someone just for the hell of it. How is it some people can get off being insanely rude and disgusting with their comments is beyond me. | |
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mike would have been better off using his own sperm to make those kids, they probably would have been cute..those kids are ugly.
i have some experience with vitiligo since my own grandma has had it for most of her adult life, i've never seen anything like michael's case. my granny was originally a brown skin woman and since i've known her she's had pinkish blotches, eventually most of her face, arms,legs,back,chest turned to the lighter pigmentation and she couldnt be out in the sun, but there were still traces of her real color, she did not turn completely white. now the crazy thing is now my granny is in her 90's and her skin has returned to its natural color, since i never knew her before the vitiligo its looks really weird to see her brown skin. i asked her dr. was this something that happens alot and he said yes it is common for vitiligo patients to regain their pigmentation as they get older...unfortunately for mike there is no chance of that happening for him since he chose to destroy his skin. | |
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lowkey said: mike would have been better off using his own sperm to make those kids, they probably would have been cute..those kids are ugly.
i have some experience with vitiligo since my own grandma has had it for most of her adult life, i've never seen anything like michael's case. my granny was originally a brown skin woman and since i've known her she's had pinkish blotches, eventually most of her face, arms,legs,back,chest turned to the lighter pigmentation and she couldnt be out in the sun, but there were still traces of her real color, she did not turn completely white. now the crazy thing is now my granny is in her 90's and her skin has returned to its natural color, since i never knew her before the vitiligo its looks really weird to see her brown skin. i asked her dr. was this something that happens alot and he said yes it is common for vitiligo patients to regain their pigmentation as they get older...unfortunately for mike there is no chance of that happening for him since he chose to destroy his skin. That's interesting. I think your grandma was lucky though. It seemed like her vitiligo was only on certain spots and not a big white splotch all over like MJ. I think because Mike was an entertainer and he was all about perfection, he couldn't dare anyone to look at him with splotches on his face, therefore he used makeup and other stuff to even his skin out. But I guess that hasn't helped any. His hands look like some of the zombies on "Thriller".  | |
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laurarichardson said: dag said: And can you explain to me the logic of the basis of the argument that MJ is so ashamed of being black? If the vitiligo has affected more than 50% of his body, was he supposed to paint himself all back black to make you happy? Oh, I forgot, he bleached his skin. Than why, after all that bleaching, did he do this for example? 
Remember the Time Why did he let Chris Tucker refer to him as a black man when he said "that he doesn´t like going out with black people?" Rock My World Oh, I forgot, he dates only white women while the fact that he is crazy about Diana Ross is a common knowledge. I can see that MJ is doing truly everything to make everyone forget about his black roots. [Edited 7/12/08 1:02am] [Edited 7/12/08 1:02am] ----- I do not believe Mike has any sort of skin condition. I know people with vitiligo most people just let it take its course they do not run out and try to use make-up to match their new skin tone. First, because I do not think you could find any make-up to match the new color of your skin as you are losing your color everyday. In addtion, you can have your skin bleached. You can go to any beauty supply store today and find products to bleach your skin. I think this is what Mike decided to do. Until Mike has a medical doctor stand up and show his medical file I will not believe he has any sort of skin condition. Mike is on Ebony to sell records Mike went back to working with black entertainers to sell records. When the chips are down black people like Mike always run home. "Oh, I forgot, he dates only white women while the fact that he is crazy about Diana Ross is a common knowledge. He is so crazy about Diana Ross he had plastic surgery to look like her. Sound sane to you. "I can see that MJ is doing truly everything to make everyone forget about his black roots." Yes, he is walking around with 3 kids who look nothing like him. He found a white woman who would give him her kids. How much more into the black community can you be when you do not want your children that you are going to raise to be black. And you did notice that Diana is a black woman? If he wants to look like her why did he "bleach" himself as some say. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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blank post [Edited 7/13/08 2:12am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST | |
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Has it dawned on any of you that neither mentally ill NOR people who live in isolation from the rest of the society do.possess exactly the same desires as the so-called normal people do? If one is to attribute Michael Jackson with incredibly in-depth analyses that include i.e. the following statement "it point outs out that MJ has serious issues with [insert arbitrary social concept here]" the "has issues with" already imply that he is not following the logic of common social co-existence. Oh yes, YOUR judgement alone is enough of a proof of that, but that's not exactly the point though. Jackson has many times himself admitted that he needs psychiatric help and uses heavy medication periodically, so at least that should be some indication on what kind of "issues" we are here talking about.
Especially being mentally ill means that there won't be in any case a similar structure guiding the way an individual orientates his desires and ambitions, and they certainly won't be aligned with the way the rest of the society handles such concepts as idealized and in their normative sense. So ultimately RATIONALIZING Michael Jackson's personal choices according to informational tidbits we've been granted of his personal life, and then making value statements that take their ideal from common social forms is basically USELESS. "Racial identity" is nothing but a normative, social term that is constantly abused in normative sense. He may "want to be white" for all we know, but even in this case it is not the same things in that "whiteness" that you might think the person is after or is attracted to. You are NOT going to solve out the mystery to "Michael's perverted desires" by simply sitting on your ass and typing shit on your computer. Don't think that because he does one thing certain way it would have to mean he would behave according to the same principles you are witnessing there also in another case. What is effectively LACKING in mental disorders is the same sort of "consistent logic" that people who lead regular socially constructed lives follow. Altough it may be debated whether this "logic" is that logical really in the end either, but it is for certain that from the normative perspective the individual who is considered an anomaly won't adhere to it. It is perfectly possible that he has "issues with his racial identity" AND possess vitiligo. As far as his child abuse cases go, criminal perverts do not experience guilt in the vast majority of cases (well, basically not in any of them, but let's reseve that as an open option). Michael Jackson's life seems to be entirely governed by shame and feelings of inadequacy, which is not something anyone should draw too drastic conclusions of, but hell let's consider that an indication of something. There is also a word that would describe his condition pretty well, "regressive", but oddly enough people are hardly ever using it in his case. "Obsessive compulsive"? Perfect too. "Pervert"? Well... Oh yeah, and Billie Jean is a good song. That's all. Good night. [Edited 7/13/08 4:23am] | |
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lowkey said: mike would have been better off using his own sperm to make those kids, they probably would have been cute..those kids are ugly.
i have some experience with vitiligo since my own grandma has had it for most of her adult life, i've never seen anything like michael's case. my granny was originally a brown skin woman and since i've known her she's had pinkish blotches, eventually most of her face, arms,legs,back,chest turned to the lighter pigmentation and she couldnt be out in the sun, but there were still traces of her real color, she did not turn completely white. now the crazy thing is now my granny is in her 90's and her skin has returned to its natural color, since i never knew her before the vitiligo its looks really weird to see her brown skin. i asked her dr. was this something that happens alot and he said yes it is common for vitiligo patients to regain their pigmentation as they get older...unfortunately for mike there is no chance of that happening for him since he chose to destroy his skin. if i'm not mistaken- katherine said in an interview that mike chose to get rid of the darker patches because they were the minority and because he did not want to look like a cow. it's my understanding that like lee thomas said you can get treatment to regain small patches of the darker color- but it goes away again. or you could do the reverse and continue to get treatments to take them away. now i'm wondering what white people would say if he publicly had a fit about his disorder and made it known that he did not want to be white - that his situation disgusts him everyday when he looks into th mirror. his coloring has changed- yes- he has has cosmetic surgery- but have you guys really listened to mj talk? he black i did not want this to be a vitiligo thread- I WANNA SEE THE BRATS!!!  LOVE HARD. | |
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Timmy84 said: midnightmover said: Indeed. The whole vitiligo thing really just obscures the point. The point is Michael chose to appear lighter. Most vitiligo sufferers just use make up to match their ORIGINAL skin tone. There are also a large proportion of cases of vitiligo that are localized and never spread beyond one or two small regions. Who knows, it's possible Michael could have had a blotch on his arm and that would tchnically be classified as vitiligo. We don't know, but we do know Michael did not have to appear lighter year by year if he didn't want to. Is there really a time limit for when a person begins to lose a lot of pigmentation though? He started to get really light by 1983 and by 1986 was practically beige then became something of a powder ghost by 1993. I mean, how light can you get? The makeup he has used over the years hasn't helped him any really. I remember hearing jokes that Michael was auditioning for the role of "Powder". 
[Edited 7/12/08 14:18pm] It's that gradual process of lightening that makes me doubt the vitiligo story. We've read countless articles and interviews about vitiligo, but still never seen a single case of someone going from black to caramel to beige and then to white like Michael did. Mike seems to be the only example in human history. Sorry, but that is suspicious to me, particularly after we know Michael lied about not bleaching his skin. There's still not one scrap of evidence to back up this story. The fans speak of patches on his skin in old photographs, but those pictures often show nothing more than light reflecting off his skin. I asked one of them earlier why no one noticed these "patches" at the time and he dodged the question. They always get very evasive when you try to pin them down on these common sense points. I'm willing to keep an open mind, but until I see some tangible proof, I have to be sceptical. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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this thread needs less talk, and more pics If you will, so will I | |
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@thekidsgirl...
As much as I would like, there has been few recent pictures of Michael's kids except for where they were at the bookstore in Las Vegas (you know when MJ showed up with post-its on his face, lol). | |
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Here's Blanket this last January:
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The other Jacksons on that same day:
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aww, they're cute
thanks Timmy but yeah, they don't look much like MJ If you will, so will I | |
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These are from the most recent outing (not counting the one that spawned this thread), where MJ wore quite an elegant, well cut suit, with his face hidden by a black scarf and two pairs of glasses, for some reason.
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dag said: laurarichardson said: ----- I do not believe Mike has any sort of skin condition. I know people with vitiligo most people just let it take its course they do not run out and try to use make-up to match their new skin tone. First, because I do not think you could find any make-up to match the new color of your skin as you are losing your color everyday. In addtion, you can have your skin bleached. You can go to any beauty supply store today and find products to bleach your skin. I think this is what Mike decided to do. Until Mike has a medical doctor stand up and show his medical file I will not believe he has any sort of skin condition. Mike is on Ebony to sell records Mike went back to working with black entertainers to sell records. When the chips are down black people like Mike always run home. "Oh, I forgot, he dates only white women while the fact that he is crazy about Diana Ross is a common knowledge. He is so crazy about Diana Ross he had plastic surgery to look like her. Sound sane to you. ----- Diana is a black woman who has been married to 3 white guys and does not associate with black people. If you are not African-American or not even living in America you really do not understand the issues in the African-American community. You have black people who do not want to be black, and only associate with black people when forced to do so. Mike's behavior outside of bleaching his skin screams I do not like being black. Those kids look nothing like him he paid some white woman to have kids that he could raise. The level of plastic surgery he has had was to lose his African-American features. Once again you have to know the whole history of racisim in the U.S. to even understand what is going on with him. "I can see that MJ is doing truly everything to make everyone forget about his black roots." Yes, he is walking around with 3 kids who look nothing like him. He found a white woman who would give him her kids. How much more into the black community can you be when you do not want your children that you are going to raise to be black. And you did notice that Diana is a black woman? If he wants to look like her why did he "bleach" himself as some say. [Edited 7/13/08 9:24am] [Edited 7/13/08 9:25am] | |
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Timmy84 said: The other Jacksons on that same day:
The look like actor Jared Leto | |
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funkycat00 said: Timmy84 said: The other Jacksons on that same day:
The look like actor Jared Leto THEY DO!  | |
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well you know, "blanket" is looking a bit like Mike  If you will, so will I | |
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 thanks timmy- they are cute kids and I do think they favor both parents- cept i don't know who blankets mom is...
can we get a side by side of mike at that age and his two oldest? my photoshop skills suck LOVE HARD. | |
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Evvy said: thanks timmy- they are cute kids and I do think they favor both parents- cept i don't know who blankets mom is...
can we get a side by side of mike at that age and his two oldest? my photoshop skills suck You're welcome (to you and the kidsgirl), lol. | |
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I have no imaging programs whatsoever right now, but if I do this, you kind of get the idea:
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Annika said: I have no imaging programs whatsoever right now, but if I do this, you kind of get the idea:
[Edited 7/13/08 10:52am] thanks annika- too bad his fro is covering his ears-they have the same ears- but check out the lips and eyes. their cheek bone structure is not jackson LOVE HARD. | |
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