Matronik said:

Take a pillow and some Tums.

Matronik said:

If it was recent you'd be praising it to death. Madonna fans always feel happy slagging off stuff when it's at a far distance in time. Back then, her fans (and the press) had orgasms over this tour. Now that time's past, they feel they can diss it without being disloyal.

SoulAlive said:

This post falls in the same category.

SoulAlive said:

Again, +1

WTG I wish I liked it but it's sooo horrible. Leanoards live production sucks, the costumes are horrible, the dancing... her looks... I mean, Material Girl sucks, that must be her worst dress ever. I even regret buying he DVD.

In all fairness though....the show that's captured on the 'Ciao Italia' DVD was the final show of that tour.At that point,Madonna was worn out (vocally and otherwise).Perhaps they should have filmed one of the earlier shows.

graecophilos said:

i love the engery on WTG, and i love BAT. apprently Midnight is making assumptions again

midnightmover said:

WTF!

It's a pathetic tour.

A pure artifact of the times!

And never...I mean never question by devotion for the bitch!

Matronik said:

it's far from Pathetic! it's groundbreaking and laid the groundwork for the tours she does today. Like A Virgin through Papa Don't Preach are AMAZING!

Material Girl - Keep It Together is Classic Madonna!

Matronik said:

Oh come on, your reaction is way too predictable. You watched it after DWT/RIT/CT and you expected something like that, which is ridiculous.

BAT has its share of bad moments namely the Dick Tracy segment and "Cherish", but it's still iconic and it opened the gate for the amazing Madonna shows.

And the church segment is amazing and stands the test of time.

LiveToTell86 said:

Exactly. His very first words at the start of this thread were, "I think it will suck!". He'd obviously made up his mind before he even watched it.

ehuffnsd said:

I never said ALL Madonna fans, did I?

Yes, the energy on WTG tour is great. Madonna was just a much better performer in those days than she is now. You didn't cringe watching her. You cringed at the singing sometimes, but that's always been the case with her, so no change there.

I think the people dissing the early shows are people who saw the later tours first, and so are accustomed to higher production values. Concerts in general have gotten much more hi-tech since the '80s / early '90s. The set designs particularly have improved beyond recognition. So if you're used to that, you'll probably see the early shows as primitive (the haircut and wardrobe probably turns them off too).

However, in terms of artist performance, WTG is Madonna's best tour. She just had more spirit, more energy, more life, and better songs. It was more honest, and less gimmicky than her later tours. The later tours suffered from Madonna getting old and stiff, and relying on too many "concepts". Sure, the sets were better, and the sound was too, but Madonna herself was worse and so were the songs.

LiveToTell86 said:

i prefer the Madonna tours with out all the videos.

midnightmover said:

Madge's best concert to me is the Girlie Show. Good Engery, Great Songs, Great Band, and just a good show.

ehuffnsd said:

Yeah, she still had the energy then and the band were good, but everything else about that tour was ridiculous imo. Even the critics slammed it, but then it was safe to diss her at that time, because she was in a backlash period.

I disagree with the one you said during WTG she had teh bst songs. I think she had the most pure song catalogue during the BAT time. There are no spoilers like Like It Or Not or such songs... she performed all the classics.
For me it will always be her best. But probably because of Truth Or Dare and her character during that era..

midnightmover said:

you just don't want theatrics in your show.

ehuffnsd said:

I have no problem with theatrics as long as they're not too silly. I haven't seen that show in years, but I remember she had some crazy Victorian theme going on in Justify My Love for instance that just had nothing to do with the song. I was just sitting there wondering what the hell was the point of it. It just seemed so random and silly. That "Like a Wirgin" thing was like something you'd do at the office party for a joke. I also remember that AWFUL, EMBARRASSING monologue she did during "In This Life". Sorry, but I thought for sure that must have been another joke. I kept looking to see if she was going to laugh or something, but no, she was being serious.

midnightmover said:

the monolgoue is part of the song. which is better live than on the record.

ehuffnsd said:

Yeah, I know it's part of the song, but in concert it fell so flat, because MADONNA CAN'T ACT. It's a trite monologue anyway, but at least on record you didn't have to watch it too. Madonna just simply can't do emotion in her acting.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised - but you have to open your mind and remember that this is basically Madonna's midwest-USA worldview, like Prince and MJ, IMO.

Matronik said:

graecophilos said:

I take "Like It Or Not" over "Where's The Party", "Now I'm Following You" or even "Material Girl" & "Keep It Together" any day...

There is no "pure catalog" Madonna setlist because she always includes some then-current stuff and some of her own random things. Even RIT, which has 8 The Immaculate Collection tracks has 6 from American Life and the random Madonna stuff as in "Hanky Panky" & "Lament" from Evita.

midnightmover said:

Which is a different way of saying she can't act.

She meant well with In This Life, but it's a bad song on record or live. I just don't like it, even though her heart was clearly in it. Girlie Show was fun but for me it lacked the originality and theatrics of The Blonde Ambition.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Not really. Just that her range is limited. I think she can be okay when playing superficial parts, but whenever she's called on to show real emotion, or be serious, it's always excrutiating to watch. And yes, In This Life is a dull, boring song, and sadly there were a lot more of those to come in the '90s.

midnightmover said:

I liked her 90s output. As a whole, Erotica is a favorite of mine, as is Bedtime Stories. It's her work in the aughts that's so-so for me.

RipHer2Shreds said:

"In This Life" is dull indeed, but so is half of Erotica. That's why I can't appreciate TGS as much as her other tours...

LiveToTell86 said:

OMG it's the best. i discovered that the reason i felt different from everyone else in school was because i was gay when i was watching this on HBO.

It's a shame madonna's legacy is stained with the gay association,

Instead of being an artist of the people, she linked with a sexual minority. The same happens with Donna Summer and other really talented women.
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It's her best tour. None of her current tours or previous tours can compare. Everything about it was Legendary, the look, the attitude, the performances. I even thought her voice was enjoyable, even her worst voice back then was leaps and bounds ahead of her best voice now. How can anyone not love it?