AlexdeParis said:

Yea, they weren't really big in Finland as far as I remember and since I don't really care about late 80's and 90's cheesy "R&B", I haven't really looked into it

murph said:

IMO, the bias on this board is based on a lot of things not exclusive to soul acts that did not cross over consistently (GUY; Jodeci, Keith Sweat and New Edition to various degrees) or a snob factor being Prince-related fans (TLC, Boyz II Men, N.E. spinoff acts).

I remember creating a thread previously aboout Tony! Toni! Tone!, another act from that period who is rarely mentioned on The Org. The few people on this board who responded trashed them, including an evidently biased person who wanted to rewrite history and say that Mint Condition was more successful than the 3Ts.
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They deserve a slot there. NE straddled well the territory of the doo-wop groups who preceded them as well as the then-burgeoning "new jack swing."

In addition to the fact that several acts and pop culture touchstones are in some way tied to them, I can't see denying them a spot.

Well, yes, I can see them being denied, but it wouldn't be right.

paisleypark4 said:

No, he is really telling the truth. Funkenstein might know the New Kids On The Block (an all-white version of New Edition by design), since they tour Europe at the height of their career.

TonyVanDam said:

I've heard of them, but I haven't heard any of their songs.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Which begs the question: Why are in this thread, other than to cast some aspersions against acts from a certain period to whose music you don't listen?

LittleAmy said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

You don't offer an opinion one way or the other of relevance to the topic, other than to say you have a rather strong disdain for a certain period for a music genre. In fact, this is a pattern I notice you do in general with threads about soul music in the '80s and beyond. It's a fair question to ask, because it seems the only objective you have is to show said disdain.

Here are your quotes:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

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LittleAmy said:

Actually I wasn't even planning on replying to this thread, but when I saw someone claim that there probably wasn't anyone who hadn't heard New Edition, I decided to chime in. Also, thus far, I haven't really even 'bashed' any of the artists on this thread, other than a general remark about the cheesiness of (late) 80's and 90's 'R&B', so I'm being nice here, sis
Also, if I make the occasional comment about how I feel about music from the era in question, on a damn Internet forum, I don't think it's such big a deal, really
I'm not taking this stuff all too seriously either, it's more like good-natured teasing
Of course, it might come of as something different, since you people don't know me personally. There are actually only a couple of musical acts that I truly loathe with passion and can absolutely not stand, and when I'm discussing said acts, that's when I'm actually dead serious about everything I say

LittleAmy said:

Heeey, don't forget about

FuNkeNsteiN said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

OK, but then you make a generalized comment about soul music in the late '80s and '90s, the period of New Edition's run. So it's an implied connection, given the context of the conversation. However, for someone who knows about some obscure '70s soul acts it's interesting you know nothing about an '80s/early '90s group that mostly was more prominent.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

First of all, I'm not your "sis."

Second, don't assume I'm a female.

Third, again you're making a generalized comment about an act in that period in a thread about said act -- moreover, you admitted to not knowing any of New Edition's music (as a group or its spinoff acts) so you're contradicting yourself.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Quite frankly, it makes no sense to me. That would be like me going into a U2 thread and start making generalized comments about late '80s and '90s acts in that genre and not hearing one song about the group. It's basically a comment that comes off as you trying to be the smartest kid in the room.
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LittleAmy said:

Look, I've heard enough R&B/Soul/Funk from the late 80's and 90's to know what that stuff is going to sound like even without hearing it. It always sounds the same.
Actually, I just went to YouTube to check out New Edition. Guess what? It sounds pretty much exactly like I thought it would
And the reason why I might know some obscure 70s soul acts better than prominent 90s R&B groups, is because I choose to listen to, and delve deeper into, 70s soul. Of course, I haven't heard a lot of 90's groups, cause I have very little interest in doing so

FuNkeNsteiN said:

We're all airing opinions here, so I'll add mine to your post. A lot went on in the late 1980s and the 1990s. If you dismiss a period within a genre, then it's easy to dismiss an act or artist from that period. It's like dismissing Gamble & Huff's music because it was "disco."

New Edition may well fit your definition of cheesy music from that period, but that doesn't mean they weren't good. The soul and pop acts it spawned were all known for being good, standout acts too.

ThreadBare said:

They might've indeed been good at what they did and I have no problem with someone liking New Edition. They just don't appeal to me, personally, in any way

Different strokes for different folks

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Which again begs the question: Outside of wanting to come off as some musical snob, why are you posting comments on an act in whom you have no interest nor weigh in one way or the other on the topic of interest? Again, it makes no sense to me except you want to come across as the smartest kid in the room. And yes, this is hardly the first time you have done such a thing (it's virtually on every thread dealing with soul acts in the '80s and beyond).
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FuNkeNsteiN said:

Indeed, man. Indeed.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

IMO, it's odd that a person goes around various threads with the banner "'80s soul music was cheesy" (particularly when it has no relevance or context to a particular thread) on a Web site dedicated to the artist who was the most influential person of said sound you dislike.
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LittleAmy said:

ThreadBare said:

This is what a lot of the good folks on the Org do...It's a way of saying you don't like an artist or downplay their influence or impact by claiming you hate a whole genre or era of a genre of music...

To me it's like saying you don't like Guns & Roses because they were part of the Hair Band era...But the true head scratcher comes when you ask these folks whether or not they ever heard the music of the acts that they are shitting on and they say, "No"....Too funny...

You know the sad thing about New Edition is they did not cash in as much money as the other boy bands after them....& they were better performers. I see no reason why they should not be inducted. I do not think they will even acknowledge them as RRHOFamers.

I'm a NE fan and I don't think they belong. I think the criteria should be the impact an act or individual has made on R&R as a whole.

LittleAmy said:

Hah!
That picture reminds me more of Cinnie than me, though

Anyways, I don't really know you and you don't really know me, so I couldn't care less about what you may or may not think I am like.
Also, I have less than zero interest in debating the matter with you further, so you need not bother replying to this.

murph said:

Exactly. Collectively and individually, New Edition had 42 top 10 singles and 18 No. 1 singles. It's safe to say they had a major impact on soul music during their run.
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FuNkeNsteiN said:

I know exactly what you are: a barely legal, self-professed "white expert on black culture" who also wants to be known as a music snob on certain aspects of the music in question, hence the "smartest kid in the room" comments. Move on, since you're not here to discuss the thread any way.

LittleAmy said:

Here's a group who did something even more impressive:

THE IMPRESSIONS:

Combine Mayfield’s and Butler’s hits with the Impressions’ 50 R&B chart songs and 37 Pop sides and you have three entities rooted in one group that had a total of 133 R&B chart singles and 85 on the Pop list. Add that to their position as one of the early proponents of soul and you’ve got an impressive set of accomplishments. - Taken from their Vocal Group Hall of Fame page.

LittleAmy said:

My my, harboring some resentment are we? I must be real special to you, since you are taking the time to bash me in like 70 different posts

I think it is you who need to move on. Go back to listening to whatever you want to listen to and I'll go back to listening to what I want to. You are making this an awfully big a deal.

Also, reading what you posted just proves my point, you have absolutely no clue as to who I am
First of, I've never claimed to be an "expert on black culture".
Secondly, I'm not trying to be "known as a music snob", I listen to what I want to listen to and occasionally vocal about my opinions on other music. I'm not trying to go out of my way to portray myself as a "snob".

Ah, wait, now I know who you are. I don't remember your previous account, but we've had this 'discussion' before. You really can't seem to get over it, can you? You really seem to reference my race a lot, you did the same the last time we tackled this issue. It just leads me to believe you are some bitter and miserable middle-aged racist who thinks white men are out to "steal your music".
Your posts humored me at first. Now I just feel sad for you.

LittleAmy said:

I did not at any point claim that these guys are not/were not influential. They might've been very influential indeed, but I still might not like them. Me liking a band and a band being influential are two completely different things, and are not in any way connected to one another.
I don't listen to the Beatles or Led Zeppelin, but that's not to say that I don't realize their influence.

Timmy84 said:

They're 'a winner', definitely

FuNkeNsteiN said: