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PrintableCinnie said: You know what, y'all can listen to what you want. But when you have stopped listening, how can you be qualified to comment today? Based on what you saw on BET last night? Aw hell naw!
I even did a thread that was called "what was the last rap song you truly enjoyed" or something along those lines. J-dilla and Common instrumentals.  | |
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Graycap23 said: Cinnie said: You know what, y'all can listen to what you want. But when you have stopped listening, how can you be qualified to comment today? Based on what you saw on BET last night? Aw hell naw!
I even did a thread that was called "what was the last rap song you truly enjoyed" or something along those lines. J-dilla and Common instrumentals. Alright then. | |
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Cinnie said: Graycap23 said: J-dilla and Common instrumentals. Alright then. Please note the term instrumentals | |
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dseann said: Cinnie said: Alright then. Please note the term instrumentals The ONLY way 2 listen 2 rap.  | |
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Graycap23 said: dseann said: Please note the term instrumentals The ONLY way 2 listen 2 rap.  I do have a couple compilation cd's of 80's and up to mid 90's rap though, they are very pleasant on the eardrums. | |
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graecophilos said: People should more worry about Rock'n' Roll, now this is dying!!
IMO hip-hop mixed with r'n'b and yeah, unfortunately the beats are soooo slow. I'll never get why American kids like to dance to those granny-like beats. Really. it turns me off. You can't dance to that. Especially "Touch My Body" by Mariah Carey had a beat every 10 seconds...  lol, doesn't prince use loops too? | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I admit, i am not a hip-hop lover at all, the song-structures are getting way too boring for me quickly. But I also think the limitations within those song-structures might get boring for the more 'die hard' hip-hop lovers at some moment. I don't see the majority of rap / hip-hop artists, going for more harmonic complexity and surprises, like what is more 'common' among not only (current day) rockartists, but also among the great Funksters of the seventies (Sly, Parliament / Funkadelic): artists who were stretching their creative horizons, feeling free to experiment. Its almost if rap (or hip-hop, whatever you call it) has become stale and conservative. While pop- and rock bands are taking their freedom to explore the possibilities of their 'sound' (incorporating a string-section, using brushes instead of drums, shortening their songs to 2 minutes full of adrenaline, or stretching their compositions to 'suite' like proportions), most rap-artists seem to stay within in the narrow boundaries of a prominent 'beat' and a predictable verse-chorus structure. Rap-music might be 'fitting' to bob your head on, and feel 'cool', but most of the artists don't get beyond the verse - chorus thing, and i think that most of them aren't even musically capable to reach beyond that point. Being a good rapper doesn't automatically make you a good songwriter. Like I said, try MF Doom, The Roots , and Crown City Rockers. Also, try out the Living Legends, they are from Los Angeles. The only reason why there aren't more of this or that, as you say, is because its not encouraged. No one is sitting on the big corporate chairs, saying if you do what you want , I'm going to promote you to the best of my ability. Those funksters you talk about , never got their rightly recognition to this day, only Sly and the Family Stone made it to number one, AM I WRONG? Alot of Rockers, out there , who are black, and REALLY DID SOMETHING FOR THE MUSIC, still haven't gotten their proper recognition. And what? Are you going to blame it completely on the artist or their situation? Rap and hiphop was meant to be simple in the first place, it came out of the hood where people couldn't afford instruments or musical lessons. It came out of the Reagan era. Look at hiphop before the 80s, if you can find it, The Last Poets for example. If you listen to what they did, you'd know. All in all , if its not encouraged, you are not going to see it on television. You'll just have to look deeper. I can name a bunch of bands I found on myspace that mix Rock with Rap, why aren't they on MTV or BET? , Do you know Game Rebellion? Why aren't they on top with the other hiphoppers? They are doing exactly what you are saying, that's missing, and yet they are not on tv. So please, with that Rap, isn't progressive or the majority. No the 'majority' that you 'see on TV' isn't progressive. And I can talk alot of crap about rock artists, trust me on that. cause alot of them repeat themselves as well, especially those so-called punk bands. Every other artist sounds the damn same. Same song, and punk wasn't meant to be progressive either. So there you go, it goes both ways. The people at the top want you to think there isn't any good progressive hiphop out there. But like I said, check out the Roots, Crown City Rockers, MF Doom, Danger Doom, Madlib (the guy makes hiphop jazz records for goodness sakes), Game Rebellion, the whole Stones Throw Records label. All those people, where are they? At the very bottom, cause everyone knows NO LABEL WANTS TO PROMOTE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. So, there is no majority, minority, middle ground, same song structure, anywhere. What's on TV does not perpetuate REALITY. Learn to find your music. | |
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gs56ca said: But like I said, check out the Roots, Crown City Rockers, MF Doom, Danger Doom, Madlib (the guy makes hiphop jazz records for goodness sakes), Game Rebellion, the whole Stones Throw Records label. All those people, where are they? At the very bottom, cause everyone knows NO LABEL WANTS TO PROMOTE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
Co-sign! Right now I am feeling Raashan Ahmad's (from Crown City Rockers) solo effort, The Push, on the Om Hip Hop label.  | |
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uhhh...I agree with you...sorta...it was about material things back when it gained popularity in the 80s - gold ropes, kangols, etc. - rap with a message has always been in the minority, so to speak, and it always will be, because just like every other music form, gets destroyed by greed and corporatization.
HamsterHuey said: Rap is not dead, there is just an unhealthy focus on the wrong kind of rap.
Blingbling-rap is too silly for words. Can we go back to the word wizards with the amazing flows. Please, Q-tip, just release that stuff yourself. | |
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I'm glad I never heard a soulja boi song. | |
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I have a kid who does this for a living so we discuss it a lot. I'm not of the hip hop generation so I don't consider myself an expert but I think commercialization is the main problem.
In the early days when rap wasn't a dominant genre, you had a diversity of styles and messages. Everything from conscious thought to comedy was being expressed plus a lot of very danceable beats. Even the samples were used more creatively. What you have now is corporate America's idea of what urban life is supposed to look like. They put together a formula and will continue to shove it down people's throats as long as it sells. For now, what sells are images and ideas that appeal to people's base nature and it's true pretty much across the board in entertainment and media of all types today. Thankfully, there is a growing backlash which is why the gangsta/thug model is dying. People are finally becoming bored because it's mostly the same repetitive junk over and over. Another part of it is the "minstrels" who are more than willing to participate in the degradation of the art form because they are the ones who are getting the exposure and the $$. A few people are beginning to wake up and realize the extent of media manipulation in all it's various forms. The more people become conscious of the game, the sooner the formulaic entertainment model will die. Anyway, that's what I tell my son when we talk about it. He loves doing hip hop and his work is pretty versatile. He rarely samples because I'd kick his butt. 
Here's his myspace...don't forget to read his blogs.
http://profile.myspace.co...D=80421517 Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Well Rap started dying just after the death of BIG and 2pac.
BIG and 2pac, while both making "gangsta" type music, they both still had immense lyrical skills and talent. Sure, 2pac made a lot of crappy gangsta stuff music, but towards the end he was making much better music and was going towards a more political/protesting type of genre. BIG however, was still on the same shitty gangster type music until his demise. I believe if 2pac was still alive, he would be talking more about important issues rather than the bitches/hoes stuff he did during the 94/95 years. Real hip hop these days exists only in small quarters. Public enemy immortal technique Paris etc | |
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Giovanni777 said:
Um... there's one primary ingredient missing: SKILLS. Both lyrically and musically The "Dirty South" shit cemented it's demise. Somewhat agree. [Edited 7/13/08 6:46am] | |
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dirtyman2005 said: Well Rap started dying just after the death of BIG and 2pac.
BIG and 2pac, while both making "gangsta" type music, they both still had immense lyrical skills and talent. Sure, 2pac made a lot of crappy gangsta stuff music, but towards the end he was making much better music and was going towards a more political/protesting type of genre. BIG however, was still on the same shitty gangster type music until his demise. I believe if 2pac was still alive, he would be talking more about important issues rather than the bitches/hoes stuff he did during the 94/95 years. Real hip hop these days exists only in small quarters. Public enemy immortal technique Paris etc The thing is, when Pac and Biggie were doing it there was still a good bit of variety out there if I recall correctly. Once the gangsga model was popularized it was promoted to the exclusion of everything else to the point where that's all you get in the mainstream 24/7. Thugs exist everywhere so I wouldn't say the topic should be off limits but to constantly portray it as the only lifestyle that exist in urban America is not only degrading, it's boring as hell hearing the same thing over and over. Using the same tired beats and samples on a loop doesnt help either but it's a lot cheaper than using musicians so once again the $$ is the bottom line in a corporatocracy instead of artistic expression. I'm also in agreement with Vainandy...when it comes to today's rap/r&b/neo soul, there's hardly any good up-tempo stuff out there. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Drive-by shootings. "LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE" | |
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if i turn on the radio and har a hip hop station all u will hear is the same sound..vocoder on every rap track t=pain in the background and most rap now is from the south.there is no creativity in the music all u have now are artists sounding like other artists..example
chris brown.....usher ashanti.....beyonce you get what im saying..go back and pull out kurtis blow "party time" he uses the "go go " sound but its different..look at raps from kid n play that was fun to hear and it had a beat(more like the nw jack swing era)they never used bitches and ho's in there lyrics...botom line is give me a new rapper that brings new ideas,creativity and not sampling and ill listen..meanwhile i just turn the radio off..... | |
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babynoz said: I have a kid who does this for a living so we discuss it a lot. I'm not of the hip hop generation so I don't consider myself an expert but I think commercialization is the main problem.
In the early days when rap wasn't a dominant genre, you had a diversity of styles and messages. Everything from conscious thought to comedy was being expressed plus a lot of very danceable beats. Even the samples were used more creatively. What you have now is corporate America's idea of what urban life is supposed to look like. They put together a formula and will continue to shove it down people's throats as long as it sells. For now, what sells are images and ideas that appeal to people's base nature and it's true pretty much across the board in entertainment and media of all types today. Thankfully, there is a growing backlash which is why the gangsta/thug model is dying. People are finally becoming bored because it's mostly the same repetitive junk over and over. Another part of it is the "minstrels" who are more than willing to participate in the degradation of the art form because they are the ones who are getting the exposure and the $$. A few people are beginning to wake up and realize the extent of media manipulation in all it's various forms. The more people become conscious of the game, the sooner the formulaic entertainment model will die. Anyway, that's what I tell my son when we talk about it. He loves doing hip hop and his work is pretty versatile. He rarely samples because I'd kick his butt.
Here's his myspace...don't forget to read his blogs.
http://profile.myspace.co...D=80421517 I totally agree | |
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Because of the use of the word "faggot" in hip hop, I'd stopped buying any hip hop, and I was content with continuing that boycott until I heard Saul Williams latest disc, Niggy Tardust - I dig that one and if that's the direction that hip-hop could head in, then it'll be saved. But if it keeps up with the materialism and corporate greed, as well as the juvenile dozens mentality (Umma Do Who?) then it's done. There's only so much room for the Souljah Boys in the game. | |
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See the rapper's problem usually stem from being tone deaf
Pack the house then try 2 sing, there won't be no one left (ha ha) (on it) Parking lot's on fire, brothers peelin' out of the town They say in disgust, they singin' their guts Rappin' done let us down (down down) u got 2 be dead... on it RIP 1958-2016 Prince  RIP 1947-2016 David Bowie
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I think part of the problem is that most of hte cats that get into hip hop do it only because they want to get rich, famous, start a clothing line, take on acting roles, etc. If they only use it as a step to get to somewhere else and have no interest in being career artists, then of course the quality of the music isn't going to be too good. | |
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guitarslinger44 said: I think part of the problem is that most of hte cats that get into hip hop do it only because they want to get rich, famous, start a clothing line, take on acting roles, etc. If they only use it as a step to get to somewhere else and have no interest in being career artists, then of course the quality of the music isn't going to be too good.
Bingo. 50 Cent even said once that the whole reason he became a rapper was to use it as a stepping stone to being a businessman. I still respect him for his hustle ( you gotta admit, he's great at marketing his brand), but not so much musically. |
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moderatorWell, what about Kanye West? he made it through somehow, and the ironic thing about it is that he came from a group of rappers (Mos Def, Talib Kwali) who knew how to rap probably better than him and their albums didn't do much while Kanye's career certainly took off massive! nipsy | |
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chewwsey said: Well, what about Kanye West? he made it through somehow, and the ironic thing about it is that he came from a group of rappers (Mos Def, Talib Kwali) who knew how to rap probably better than him and their albums didn't do much while Kanye's career certainly took off massive!
What worked for him is his use of rare underground soul tunes....as well as his ear for catchy hooks and melodies...and none the less, he is a headphone rapper to bat. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: chewwsey said: Well, what about Kanye West? he made it through somehow, and the ironic thing about it is that he came from a group of rappers (Mos Def, Talib Kwali) who knew how to rap probably better than him and their albums didn't do much while Kanye's career certainly took off massive!
What worked for him is his use of rare underground soul tunes....as well as his ear for catchy hooks and melodies...and none the less, he is a headphone rapper to bat. good point. he does use hooks from old slow r&b songs and make a track around them. so what is a headphone rapper? nipsy | |
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Nas has something to say because it appears Graycap you let other people tell you how to think.
So we look at what's going on -- this as an EXTREME aggression, um I'm also hearing about it from EVERYWHERE! It's-it's on the islands, it's on the continent, it's here: it's everywhere! And this is, if you will, a WAR -- An all out assault by... [Verse 1:NaS] The sly fox Cyclops We locked In the idiot box The video slots Broadcast The Waco Davidian plots They own YouTube, Myspace When this ignorant shit gon' stop? They monopolizing news Your views And the channel you choose Propaganda Visual cancer The eye In the sky Number five On the dial secret agenda Frequency antenna Doctor mind bender Remote control soul Controller Your brain holder Slave culture Game's over What's a Fox characteristic? Slick shit Sensin' Misinformation Pimp the station Over stimulation Reception Deception Comcast digital Satan The Fox has a bushy tail And Bush tells Lies and Foxtrots So I don't know what's real [Chorus] Watch what you watchin' Fox keeps feeding us toxins Stop sleeping Start thinking Outside of the box and Unplug from The Matrix doctrine But watch what you say Big Brother is watchin' Watch what you watchin' Fox keeps feeding us toxins Stop sleeping Start thinking Outside of the box and Unplug from The Matrix doctrine But watch what you say Fox 5 is watchin' [Verse 2:NaS] The Fear Factor got you all rattled up O' Reilly Oh really? No rally needed I'll tie you up Network for child predators, settin' 'em up Myspace pimps, hoes, and sluts Ya'll exploit rap culture, then ya'll flip on us And you own the post, and ya'll shit on us What is they net worth? They gon' try to censor my next verse? Throw 'em off the roof neck first While I'm clicking my cursor Reading blogs about the pressure they put on Universal It gets worse while I'm clicking my mouse While they kickin' my house They figured us out Why a nigga go south It's either he caught a body, no sleep they watchin'! I watch CBS And I See B.S.! Tryin' to track us down with GPS Make a nigga wanna invest in PBS [Chorus] Watch what you watchin' Fox keeps feeding us toxins Stop sleeping Start thinking Outside of the box and Unplug from The Matrix doctrine But watch what you say Big Brother is watchin' Watch what you watchin' Fox keeps feeding us toxins Stop sleeping Start thinking Outside of the box and Unplug from The Matrix doctrine But watch what you say Fox 5 is watchin' [Verse 3:NaS] They say I'm all about murder-murder and kill-kill But what about Grindhouse and Kill Bill? What about Cheney and Halliburton? (Halliburton?) The backdoor deals On oil fields How's NaS the most violent person? Ya'll don't know talent if it hit you Bringin' up my criminal possession charges with a pistol (pistol) I use Viacom As my firearm And let the lyrics split you Who do you rely upon? They shoot shells at Leviathan I'm dealing with the higher form F**k if you care how I write a poem? Only Fox that I love was the red one Only black man that Fox loves is in jail or a dead one! Red rum Political bedlam Don't let the hype into your eyes and ear drum Murdoch on Fox Not 18 with Barracas And he hate Barack cause He march with the marchers [Outro] I pledge allegiance to the fair and balanced truth. Not the biased truth Not the liar's truth But the highest truth I will not be deceived nor will I believe In the Propaganda I will not fall for the Okey-Doke I am tuned-in [NaS] Watch, cause they're watching Watch what you're watching Better watch, cause they're watching Watch what you're watching Me-Me-Media Misleading ya Watch what you're watching [Edited 7/14/08 16:26pm] | |
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Het Graycap, not sure if you into Pussy or cocktales, but Too short got something to say about it.
H-E-A-D, All you washed up hoes tryin to throw that P You're just a big freak, you better not complain, When you hear these cocktails and you hear your name. If you a fake bitch, ain't no thing I'll pick up the phone and call Janine. If I call Marie, I know for a fact I'm gettin fucked in my drop top cadillac I met this freak named Naomi Straight dick sucker worked me and my homies. She had a girlfriend, her name was Vicki I pulled her to the side and let her suck my dick. She was fine as fuck, but can't fuck with Tina Tina, Tina, the sperm cleana. I took her to my house and told her strip Baby got freaky-started doing the splits. I said, "Bitch!!! Do what you want Cause this true blue mack won't even front". I fucked her with my finger, she tried to cum Pussy so tight, it wouldn't give me none I'm Too $hort baby couldn't be no punk I'm trying to get freaky cause I love the funk My dick is big and her nigga had a little one, I didn't fuck her freaky ass, but it was still fun. I know you stop and wonder just what it is.. It's the California lifestyle that I live. My name is Short, my game is long I freak these hoes and sing these songs. I know this girl named Annette Get her all alone and she'll suck your dick Hella freaky...won't say no for shit You and her all alone, nigga that's your bitch. I know another freak her name's Joanne I always get the pussy cuz I know I can Finest bitch around, ain't got no man Everytime she cross my mind I go fuck her again. She's like another bitch named Christine Bitch so dumb, I named her misdemeanor Cuz it had to be a crime to be that dumb I took her to my house and she let me cum in her mouth You know I did all that shit She got my number, if she beep me, I'm gonna call that bitch, And go dig in them guts like a gardener, If she starts screamin', I'm gonna fuck the bitch harder. Cause these are the tales, the freaky tales These are the tales I tell so well You don't like my dirty rap you can go to hell Cuz SAhort Dogg's on the mike tellin' cocktails. I meet the groupies, hookers like Kathy, Fucking M.C.'s cause she's so nasty, See her backstage trying to throw that ass, She just like the freaks and she had to pass me that pussy You can't stop the bitch Let her roll on my rolls then I drop the bitch My name is Short my game is long I freak these hoes and sing these songs. I know another girl named Stephanie Do anything she can to have sex with me She really don't bring out the best in me But I love her fine ass laying next to me. She's like another freak named Nicole So damn sprung on my diamonds and gold I took her to my house, she gave me the panties I fucked her so good she told her friend named Angie. Angie called me up about two weeks later Talking some shit about do me player So I did her just like Tamara, Taking naked pictures with my poloroid camera. Next they told a girl named Rocquelle Got my skin all under her fingernails She was diggin in my back while I grind the shit That was way back now I can't find the bitch But if I do, I'll probably do the same again Break the bitch for everything cuz I came to pimp. I'm Too Short baby, I don't stop mackin I grab the microphone and I don't stop rappin You can bet your life as I spit these raps I'll be fucking em' up like that...BITCH. I know another trick her name was Shery, I had to cut her loose cuz she wanted to get married Pussy so good and I do mean very... SOmetimes it's shaved and sometimes it's hairy. I'm Short Dogg ain't nothing nice You ever make me mad and I'll fuck your wife Have fun with your bitch and have her sprung on my dick. I guess I'll pull it out and just cum on your bitch Like my other little tramp named Erika ANywhere I want to fuck that's where I fuck Cuz she's the freakiest bitch in America Everytime I get the pussy I just tear it up.... Cuz these are the tales the freaky tales These are the tales that I tell so well You don't like my dirty raps you can go to hell Cuz Short Dogg is on the mike telling cocktales!!!!! | |
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Cuz it got shot at in front of a club. | |
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Piff Doody, Puff Duddy, Duff Piddy...whatever the hell his name is nowadays!
Bob Johnson The greedy as Corporate Record Executives that figured out that it was better for them to kill Rap slowly like a disease rather than quickly because Rap would have been immortalized! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Alamine said: Nas has something to say because it appears Graycap you let other people tell you how to think.
[Edited 7/14/08 16:26pm] lol.....if u believe that, u don't know me very well. | |
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Graycap23 said: Alamine said: Nas has something to say because it appears Graycap you let other people tell you how to think.
[Edited 7/14/08 16:26pm] lol.....if u believe that, u don't know me very well. I don't know you very well either, Graycap. | |
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