vainandy said:

Well, at this point what other choice do you have? Radio's not gonna change their format because some folks are bitching about it. They're not even concerned mainly about the music. They're in it for the advertising. Unless you decide to go berserk and hijack a radio station and force them to play your favorite music, things ain't gonna change.

And we've already seen that happen with this guy who loved the Smiths. After the band broke up, he went nuts, and forced his town to listen to that great band for 5 hours by way of hijacking. Otherwise, if there's no oldies station that plays old school Funk/Soul/Disco like WBLS here in New York City, you're just gonna have to turn off the radio, buddy. And continuously bitching on prince.org probably won't change anything either.


And so what, you like fast-paced music. Not everybody does though. And who says they should? Who says that the music you like should be the gospel? Yes, I can't deny that the music we love is great (Funk/Soul/Disco), but it ain't the be all to end all music. Some folks just don't like it and you have to respect that. I already told you however, that there's still cats out there keeping that spirit alive whether they're popular or not:

The Rapture (I'm quite surprised you haven't heard these guys yet. They're right up your alley. "House of Jealous Lovers" may be the best dance/rock song of the millennium.)
Basement Jaxx
Q and Not U (the last album)
Foals
!!! (chk chk chk)
Plant Life
Seymour Bits
Justice
Daft Punk
Jamie Lidell
Sam Sparro

OK, granted some of these guys are more popular with the Indie Rock/College Rock crowd and not so much the urban crowd. But they've still got that funky, upbeat style and they're pretty good.

So, in a nutshell, Andy, listen to Indie/Dance Punk.

And I'm not gonna touch that last part about your whoreness with a 40 foot pole.

NWF said:

Oh hush, Andy's just expressing himself.

cheeseburger said:

please do me a favour and go kill yourself. people like you make me sick with your pathetic and myopic views on music and lack of level headedness, stop empowering something that is not there. people like you who think that justin is the embodiment of music need to get a reality check fast, he barely skates on the surface. for every usher or chris brown or justin there are hundreds of better quality singers both young and old who are out there and deserve better. usher is no veteran nor is he akin to the mantle of Prince or Michael Jackson. The same can be both applied to brown and timberlake who are machines of manufacture, readily forgettable when you compare in a decade's time, only products of their music producers and production. Pay respect to what? Bullshit. Get a grip.

1. Musiq
2. Robin Thicke
3. Rahsaan Patterson
4. Raheem Devaughn
5. Anthony David
5. Dwele
6. Lyfe Jennings
7. Anthony Hamilton
6. Eric Benet
9. Chris Echols
10. Justin Nozuka

11. John Legend

Do you want me to continue?

Go educate yourself and quit bitching.

phunkdaddy said:

Ah, the pinnacle of maturity.



Don't exaggerate. Chris was at least 16.



I agree with this, I'll never watch a movie of his. Anyway, I never even MENTIONED his acting, most of the time I forget he even considers himself an actor too now.




And where is he right now? What was his last hit? I'm not saying they shouldn't do that, but you could've chosen a successful artist still selling today.



I'm not trying to win. I just refuse to go with the sheep. I know a good song when I hear it and I'm not gonna act like each of them doesn't have a good song because they ALL do. I'm not gonna act all shocked when I hear a decent song of theirs because I'm not so close minded. You have a right to like what you want too, but orgers DON'T have a right to critisize and question people who do like that music. And that DOES happen here, all the time.



Typical generic answer. I'll wait for the next time you or some other orger complains about a star today and compares them to James Brown. It's like how everyone here bags out Beyonce all the time when the man who the website is dedicated to couldn't get enough of her.



I was thinking of 1999. Name a song before Little Red Corvette that was as big as that. Why does everyone call 1999 his breakthrough album?




Name calling. Another immature move from orgers to try to seem tough. Quote me where I said anything complimentary about N*Sync.





I know! I hate them too! Now you're putting words in my mouth!



Last time I made an Alicia Keys thread, 99% of replies were negative. Dance thinks she's just another popstar who learned piano and compared her to Ashanti. You cannot win on here, no matter who the artist is.

purplesweat said:

Mainstream (white) markets were introduced to Prince via "Little Red Corvette," but by that time Prince was one of the top front-runners -- if not THE front-runner -- in the soul (black) market. "1999" predecessors "Dirty Mind" was a gold album and "Controversy" went platinum, and Prince had a No. 1 single ("I Wanna Be Your Lover") and several other hits ("Soft and Wet," "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?," "Uptown," "Controversy" and "Let's Work") by the time he dropped the "1999" album.

Another major factor for Prince was the success of his spin-off acts, The Time and Vanity 6. By the time Prince had crossover success, only Rick James and pre-"Thiller" Michael Jackson challenged him as the top dog in the soul market. The success of his "Minneapolis Sound" became the template for the soul charts for a large part of the '80s.
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purplesweat said:

Hey i try to be open minded to some of today's artists but usher, ne-yo,
justin, and chris brown just don't do it for me. Alicia keys is talented but
i only find her second album to be excellent. The new album isn't that great.
Hey you can take shots at me about maturity. Hey i love to act silly and have fun. It's the secret to a long life.
News flash. This is a forum. A forum is about discussion. Everybody is not
going to agree on everything. You should see some of the sports forums i visit.
You can't always wear your emotions on your sleeves. I don't lose sleep because someone disagrees with me on a music forum. Me and guys like timmy 84, vain,
funkenstein, and soul alive agree on a lot of music but even we disagree on some music. I realize some people don't care for prince, rick james, etc. but i
don't lose sleep over it dude. What does it say about you if you're going to get bent out of shape everytime someone states they don't care for the ushers, ne-yo's, chris brown, and justin?

Don't you know? The only credible artists are the ones nobody's heard of!

Timmy84 said:

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT THERE!!!!

people are bitching about this generation's young pop stars not because they're too wild or too obscene or too "demonic" or threatening to young people, but rather because the dipshits on the top of the charts are so damn boring and unoriginal. i would LOVE to be bitching about how the kids are taking it too far these days and how today's music is too ugly and vulgar and doesn't have the class of 80s music, but the fact is, the stuff i grew up with is STILL more dangerous 20 years later than most of the crap kids are growing up with now. there's something wrong with that picture.

all i know is, if i had kids i wouldn't allow anything by the jonas brothers or miley cyrus into my home. some of this other crap maybe they could own, but they couldn't play it while i'm in the house.

Anxiety said:

Maybe it's me, but acts like Usher, Justin Timberlake and Ne-Yo look younger than some of the acts I grew up with at comparable ages. These guys are in their latter 20s, but IMO they look like high school students.

IMO, their looks are rather generic as well, like they buy their clothes out of an Abercrombie and Fitch catalog. They don't strike me as larger-than-life personas, like Sly Stone, James Brown, P-Funk, Prince, Earth, Wind & Fire, Rick James, etc.
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LittleAmy said:

i hate the whole "realness" thing.

there's no showmanship, no originality, no personality, because of some kind of obligation to be "real". screw "real", this is show business. star wars would be a freakin boring movie if they'd have kept it real.

NWF said:

All crap. They have no identities other than the ones they try to bite. Their music sounds like what you'd hear if you dropped a bunch of silverware down the stairs. I mean come the hell on. Daft Punk? Eff out of here with that garbage. There are ten year olds that can come up with the same stuff.

Anyway,

The people complaining are of different generations including this one.

And people aren't complaining about the sound and/or style like other generations did(because children, THERE IS NO SOUND or STYLE), they're complaining about the total lack of soul, originality, personality, and OOMPF.

The problem is that most of these acts, even the little neosoul douches, are as real as a bag of cheetos and have about the same amount of talent.

Dance said:[quote]All crap. quote]


i think it's awesome how you hate EVERYTHING.

Anxiety said:

That's just something that's said(and a tool of the industry to continue to sell their crap to the masses)and you have Nirvana's wack ass to thank for opening that door.

But really, how many regular dudes go around with all that base on and bedazzled tees...outside of P-town...and Paisley Park studios?

Anxiety said:

I don't hate everything. I hate absolute garbage and we seem to be swimming in it, in and outside mainstream.

Dance said:

let's see, a group inspired by the pixies with a lead singer who was an outspoken gay rights advocate, william burroughs fan, and husband of courtney love, responsible for "realness" a la usher and JT?

um, ok. sure. whatever ya say.

Anxiety said:

Wasn't Kurt a practicing bisexual too? I did hear that he supported gay rights, which was really cool of him. I hate homophobes.

Nirvana sucked major ass and they basically built the whole "keep it real" BS that's so powerful today.

They encouraged performers and artists to look and act like they were dragged in out of some trash can, and they also encouraged musicians to not do something freakish with their music. They tried to paint actually trying with your music, whether it was being a freak or just doing something original, as some sellout move. Shit hoppers had a hand in it, but it was Kurt Shitstain in middle American homes with his drug addicted suburbanite ass.

Dance said:

Now here's something we agree on

Cause the majority of them have "Timbaland" as there go to guy

Dance said:

Sam Sparro is an exeception. That guy is real talented


And if you disagree, I can just call Freddie Jackson and he'll settle this for me

bboy87 said:

go ahead...I'll get Lil Richard

He'll give Freddie the most brutal slap across the face he's ever had.





































Wooooo

Dance said:

Dance! That's where you went! I had a bubble bath slumber party and you didn't even come!

Johnny! get him!

I'm on him....I mean...I'm on it!!

phunkdaddy said:

Putting words in my mouth again.

Where did I say I'm losing sleep? Since when does a long reply consist of me freaking out about something? I don't have any of those artists on my ipod but I'm not about to bash them either. I just get sick of the orgs close minded inconsistencies.

We don't have any good oldies stations in my area. However, whether or not we have good oldies stations isn't the problem. I have more old records and CDs than the radio station would have anyway. The fact that there is no good new music is the problem.



No, it won't change anything but not saying anything will not change things any less. The problem is, more people aren't bitching. If they were, maybe something would get done. Regardless, it's a discussion forum and that's what I'm doing which is "discussing". If you think I'm going to lie and say today's music is good, you'll be waiting a long time. And as far as "if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all" goes, that's not what a discussion forum is for. It's to discuss the good and the bad.




Excuse me, but I think you have it the other way around. It's the media that seems to think that everyone likes slow paced music only it's the media that says that the music that they like should be gospel. Yeah, they are going by what most of the public wants but the public is the monster that they created and has the taste that they have raised them on for the last 15 or so years.

I'm not the one in control here. I'm not the one that controls the labels and media. I'm not the one that keeps everything I like in style and everything else out. Once again, you've got it totally the other way around.



Once again, you have it the other way around. The media seems to think that shit hop is the be all and end all to music. As I said before, I don't control things, they do. How can I be the almighty disrespectful tyrant that tries to force people to listen to what I listen to, if I am in the minority? It may not seem like I'm in the minority here because this is a Prince site, so naturally, Prince is going to attract funk fans. However, in the world outside of prince.org, yes, I'm in the minority with my taste. How am I forcing anyone to listen to something they don't want to?

And as far as me, myself, thinking that disco/soul/funk should be the be all and end all of music, I don't think that either. I just want shit hop to die and for styles to change on their own like they always have in the past (before these corporations started manipulating them and keeping them alive). Even if styles do change, I'm not holding my breath that it will be something that I personally like because I doubt it very seriously. Shit hop has dominated so long that these kids have been raised on it their entire lives. Naturally, when styles finally do change, it will probably be something slow as well because they have been raised their entire lives as "dull" and don't know anything else unless they had a mind enough of their own to go look for it. I just want to see shit hop itself die because lord knows it deserves it. If they brought polka back and made it popular (and with people's tastes these days, I wouldn't be surprised), at least shit hop would finally be dead.
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purplesweat said:

What you consider to be closed minded may be considered an open discussion to
others? You just don't seem to get it. So what if people express their opinion about music artists. There are music critics and journalists that get paid to do it. Big deal if an org member bash an artist i like. If you don't like it move on and don't respond to it. It's as simple as vanilla ice cream dude.

I beg to differ. Music on the radio had my attention only between 82-86. Then MTV took over, and it was cool for a while, but in the 90s, I could only find music I liked by going to non-chain record stores, and I got it from sifting through dusty bins, which mostly just made me sneeze.

And also for the millionth time, it's damn rediculous to have to search all over the place for good music. We didn't have to search for it back in the day. It was on the radio. It should still be on the radio or at least some radio station. I don't have the time or the money to search out the music. And even if I did, as I said before, it's damn rediculous to have to search just because some damn monopolized labels and radio stations won't let styles change.

Also, what's the use of music being good if it's not in the mainstream. I like to go out and party. If it's not in the mainstream, that means it's not going to be played in clubs either. Hell, I don't want to sit home and listen to music alone or with a very few people (which I've already slept with) that have the good sense to like the music I like. Hell, I constantly want different sex partners. I'm a whore, I like to go out and get laid but I like to be entertained while I'm out whoring, rather than just going for the sake of sex alone. If mainstream music were still good, I would still have had a good time (rather than a wasted evening) even if I didn't get lucky that night.
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Objectively, though the way it gets expressed changes, IT REALLY IS the same thing our parents used to do us. You might call it the same tired excuse, but the truth never gets old, my friend.

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

It's kinda hilarious how you're going on and on and on about me not accepting anyone's opinions when you're the one not accepting mine.

I never said "one orger bashes boo hoo". It's a whole freaking movement on here. And anyone who likes todays stuff has to be quiet or do the emoticon 60 times in their posts to make up for it. It's wrong!

Dance said:

I am quite astounded by your bias and cynicism towards modern music. All I can say at this point about that is that if you're in that desperate need of some music from the past, go study some quantum physics, build a time machine, travel back to the 70's and STAY THE FUCK THERE!!!

Cynical bastard.