SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I agree with what your saying, but I guess I don't have a problem with a differing opinion, (especially on this topic about someone who people have tried to help repeatedly) if it's expressed in a civil manner because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't impact me one way or the other.

And why does the toilet paper have to be soggy.

Serious said:

I guess my point is that everyone doesn't share your sensibilities. More importantly, why should SHE care what a complete stranger thinks. And like I said he tried repeatedly to keep it in general terms. It would have been different IMO if he was intentionally provoking the situation which I don't think he did. He just restated his opinion which she took issue with. Different strokes for different folks. . .

SCNDLS said:

Because it already has shit on it!

Yeah, I've had someone tell me they thought that the personal thing's I've shared were all made up, including my own abuse and the death of my cousin from domestic abuse. I didn't let it get to me and told him point blank that he thought he was hurting me by saying that but I really didn't care he could believe what he believes. People like that don't desreve the satisfaction of knowing they struck any nerves so in that respect I agree with you.

SCNDLS said:

Because it already has shit on it!

Yeah, I've had someone tell me they thought that the personal thing's I've shared were all made up, including my own abuse and the death of my cousin from domestic abuse. I didn't let it get to me and told him point blank that he thought he was hurting me by saying that but I really didn't care he could believe what he believes. People like that don't desreve the satisfaction of knowing they struck any nerves so in that respect I agree with you.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Oh I see. . . and uh, gross.

That's my point exactly, why give someone else, especially a stranger, the power to get to you when it doesn't really matter? She tried to educate him, he wasn't having it, so why get mad? I just think you say your piece and if the other person's open to it educate and enlighten 'em. If they're not receptive to it, why bother getting mad.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Oh I see. . . and uh, gross.

That's my point exactly, why give someone else, especially a stranger, the power to get to you when it doesn't really matter? She tried to educate him, he wasn't having it, so why get mad? I just think you say your piece and if the other person's open to it educate and enlighten 'em. If they're not receptive to it, why bother getting mad.

SCNDLS said:

Yeah, don't get mad, just ridicule them for worshiping a pedophile

SCNDLS said:

Why should you care what I think? Why should you express an opinion on anything, for that matter?

And, I don't believe he was keeping things "in general terms" with replies like this one:

"Well, sorry about your mother and sister.... but geez... why should anyone feel sorry for them... they totally brought in on themselves... "

applekisses said:

Anybody and everybody can express an opinion on everything. But it's not my job to sway anyone to my way of thinking or behaving, insensitive or not because that's relative and subjective. Again, if someone wants to have a discourse and exchange about why I feel the way I do about something and vice versa, cool, we can do that. If they don't I'm not gonna press the issue, especially in the virtual world, is all I'm saying.

Seriously, why should anyone feel sorry for that disgusting, incorrigible, stupid bitch!?

applekisses said:

There is no way of winning this, huh!? Well, I don't know your sister, but if your sister behaved the same way like that Winehouse then yeah, I guess I'd say yes! Sorry, it was you who asked! I'm sorry for your loss, but I guess your sister (and mother) brought in on herself and I don't have that much sympathy for that!

I'm not an asshole, I just have an opinion you don't like!

I just want to interject that Patrick tried to keep the discussion in general terms and be respectful, he didn't make this conversation personal, you did. He didn't make fun of you or your family or express joy at their situation or wish them ill (actually I think you did that to him) he just didn't feel like sympathizing. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Would him saying that he sympathized with their situation change anything?

You're in an online forum and should know that just because you share a painful, personal experience with the world doesn't mean everyone's going to empathize with you and chances are you're gonna get an insensitive remark or two lobbed your way. Besides he doesn't know you or your family so why should he feel obligated to feel sorry for them if he doesn't want to? Furthermore, you don't know him so why should you care what he thinks to the point that it gets you upset or you try to change his mind? Just saying. . .

PatrickS77 said:

SCNDLS said:

Patrick didnt do anything to keep the convo on cool terms.... it's his business to not have empathy.. but there was nothing respectful on his name calling and trash talk... and he IS the one who started the name calling 1st ..

PatrickS77 said:

Would you say the same about my sister? Would you say the same about my mother? If you do, yes, you are an asshole.
I say that you have little life experience because it seems you haven't had someone you love go through something like this - otherwise you may have a different perspective and might be a little more empathetic.

I'm not an asshole, I just have an opinion you don't like!

It's amazing to me that no one ever talks about causes for drug addiction. Like someone else said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was mental illness involved or a history of sexual or psychological abuse.

but whatever...fuck her! that bitch!

It's sad because people turn to drugs because they're missing something in their lives.

Yes she did it to herself and now it's her responsibility to stop, but it's still sad that someone young & talented is still so empty that she has to do something as stupid as smoking crack.

heartbeatocean said:

I know in my sister's case - she had a tumor in her pitutary gland that was inoperable (she was on medication for it for a while) and it severely altered her hormones, etc - I think that's one of the reasons why she started using drugs. She had an Rx for vicodin from a back prob. and it escalated from there.

applekisses said:

I think life can be pretty tough on people and sometimes they throw in the towel. It all seems too much...why not coast out of this world a little high? Some people actually choose to die deliberately and do it quickly without the aid of drugs. Some people don't actually want to live. Maybe that's hard for people to understand.

heartbeatocean said:

I think it is hard for some to understand.
In my sister's case, she died accidentally of an overdose. I'm just thankful she didn't feel any pain from it.

applekisses said:

Still, that's an awfully sad story.

You're asshole, PatrickS77.....sometimes it doesn't take to know a person to know he's an asshole.....you're one of them! Don't flatter yourself, you're certainly not the only one, you're only alone on this thread.....maybe even on the entire org!

So , PatrickS77.....hope you'll wreck your car or something.....disposable piece of shit that you are!

applekisses said:

I just want to interject that Patrick tried to keep the discussion in general terms and be respectful, he didn't make this conversation personal, you did. He didn't make fun of you or your family or express joy at their situation or wish them ill (actually I think you did that to him) he just didn't feel like sympathizing. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Would him saying that he sympathized with their situation change anything?

You're in an online forum and should know that just because you share a painful, personal experience with the world doesn't mean everyone's going to
And for the record: I didn't try or attempt to get to anyone, I just gave my opinion, like everybody else and I did not start calling people asshole for not empathize with you and chances are you're gonna get an insensitive remark or two lobbed your way. Besides he doesn't know you or your family so why should he feel obligated to feel sorry for them if he doesn't want to? Furthermore, you don't know him so why should you care what he thinks to the point that it gets you upset or you try to change his mind? Just saying. . .

abierman said:

LOL thanks.... *in Denis Leary voice singing* "I'm an asshole oio oio oio I'm an asshole oio oio"! Seriously! I don't give a shit what you think about me!



I just want to interject that Patrick tried to keep the discussion in general terms and be respectful, he didn't make this conversation personal, you did. He didn't make fun of you or your family or express joy at their situation or wish them ill (actually I think you did that to him) he just didn't feel like sympathizing. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Would him saying that he sympathized with their situation change anything?

You're in an online forum and should know that just because you share a painful, personal experience with the world doesn't mean everyone's going to
And for the record: I didn't try or attempt to get to anyone, I just gave my opinion, like everybody else and I did not start calling people asshole for not empathize with you and chances are you're gonna get an insensitive remark or two lobbed your way. Besides he doesn't know you or your family so why should he feel obligated to feel sorry for them if he doesn't want to? Furthermore, you don't know him so why should you care what he thinks to the point that it gets you upset or you try to change his mind? Just saying. . .

Actually, if you look back it was Ripher2shreds who brought up the whole asshole thing - and he just said "Grade A asshole commentary" in response to one of your replies to me. I didn't call you an asshole outright - and I didn't agree with him until you started to "give your opinion" about my family members - one of whom is dead. You know, it's not even that you disagree with me - that's fine, but it's the insensitivity and lack of empathy for people who go through addictions and their families that I think is so wrong.
And for the record - there is only one person in this thread so far who agrees with your insensitivity...that's a little telling, don't you think?

applekisses said:

Hold 'em up, now. I didn't say that I agree with his insensitivity rather I just questioned where is it written that he MUST show empathy to people he doesn't know who engaged in behavior HE deems irresponsible. I'm just saying he's entitled to feel that way and express it if he wants to without being personally attacked if he's not attacking you.

When he made the initial statements he was talking about Amy Winehouse and wasn't the only person that said it was her fault she was in the situation she's in. You're the one that brought your family into it, and rightly or wrongly, opened up the opportunity for someone with his point of view to say what he did, how he said it. Whether I agree with him is beside point. I think it's more telling that all these folks calling him an asshole think they're superior to him when all he did was state his opinion, like it or not. He didn't personally attack anyone, like others are doing to him now. To sum it up, being insensitive isn't against site rules (if that were the case, the Org would shut down immejetly), however, last time I checked, personally attacking people IS.
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SCNDLS said:

Oh sure he doesn't have to show empathy, but IN MY OPINION (last time I checked we're all entitled to have one of those, yes?) I think it's very wrong...and told him so again and again. I did not attack him (as you suggested I did) and did not ask others to do so on my behalf...and, no, being insensitive isn't against the site rules, but somewhere I think it's attached to the golden rule - you know that one?
I think by inferring that my sister and mother are "disgusting, incorrigible, stupid bitches" is an attack.

applekisses said:

I didn't say you personally attacked him either. I said those calling him an asshole. Did you do that? If not, then I'm not talking to you. And I've never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, I've just said he's also entitled to his. The golden rule is a great idea but everyone doesn't live by your rules OR mine. And you take your chances when you share painful, personal stories. In general, you'll get positive responses but you may also receive comments you don't like. Again, that's really my point.

SCNDLS said:

I realize that - but, that doesn't mean I can't disagree with that! Or does that go only one way? AGAIN...inferring that my sister and mother are "disgusting, incorrigible, stupid bitches" is an attack. If you're just looking at "what's right" why don't you have an issue with that? Or is he just expressing his opinion? Sounds like a personal attack to me.
[Edited 6/24/08 16:38pm]