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PrintableSerious said: applekisses said: Exactly. My mother is 76 years old and has COPD. I see her struggle to breathe every day and her disease is due to 40 years of smoking, yes, but still no person deserves to suffer the way she does. When she started smoking doctors were still endorsing it! Also, my sister died last year of a crack overdose. We tried all we could to get her into treatment and she just wouldn't do it. But, that doesn't mean she deserves to be spat upon. Amy Winehouse is someone's daughter and she has an incredible talent. I wish some folks around here could be more compassionate when it comes to others burdens. God forbid it affects you one day.    Thanks, Martina. | |
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applekisses said: PatrickS77 said:
Your opinion is what makes me think you're an asshole, sorry, that's just the way it is. Keep going and everyone else will see it too. Oh geez... just because somebody in your family deliberatly and volunteerly ruined and fucked up their health I should feel sorry for them?? It's not going to happen and maybe you're the asshole for not accepting someones opinion and calling that someone an asshole for having an opinion you don't agree with!? I think it's best we just stop it now! And when my mother started smoking these are the types of ads that were on television: [Edited 6/24/08 11:25am] Ah, whatever... I guess since at least 30+ years it's well known that smoking is not good for your health! | |
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PatrickS77 said: applekisses said: PatrickS77 said:
Your opinion is what makes me think you're an asshole, sorry, that's just the way it is. Keep going and everyone else will see it too. Oh geez... just because somebody in your family deliberatly and volunteerly ruined and fucked up their health I should feel sorry for them?? It's not going to happen and maybe you're the asshole for not accepting someones opinion and calling that someone an asshole for having an opinion you don't agree with!? I think it's best we just stop it now! And when my mother started smoking these are the types of ads that were on television: [Edited 6/24/08 11:25am] Ah, whatever... I guess since at least 30+ years it's well known that smoking is not good for your health! Yes, but after these people who were lied to became addicted it became very difficult to quit. Also, one of my sisters is a respiratory therapist and until about 10 years ago many in the medical profession believed that your lungs could regenerate to the point that after a year of not smoking that they would be as healthy as if you never smoked! Do you know any of this stuff? | |
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PatrickS77 said: applekisses said: PatrickS77 said:
Your opinion is what makes me think you're an asshole, sorry, that's just the way it is. Keep going and everyone else will see it too. Oh geez... just because somebody in your family deliberatly and volunteerly ruined and fucked up their health I should feel sorry for them?? It's not going to happen and maybe you're the asshole for not accepting someones opinion and calling that someone an asshole for having an opinion you don't agree with!? I think it's best we just stop it now!  Wow, that post just leaves me speechless  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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PatrickS77 said: Oh geez... just because somebody in your family deliberatly and volunteerly ruined and fucked up their health I should feel sorry for them?? It's not going to happen and maybe you're the asshole for not accepting someones opinion and calling that someone an asshole for having an opinion you don't agree with!? I think it's best we just stop it now! Do you even understand how heartbreaking and devistating it is for someone who has seen a family member struggle with addiction and then die from it? Does it even enter your mind that seeing the horrible things you've said about them on top of it makes it even more hurtful for those people? And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started. [Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] | |
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Serious said: PatrickS77 said: Oh geez... just because somebody in your family deliberatly and volunteerly ruined and fucked up their health I should feel sorry for them?? It's not going to happen and maybe you're the asshole for not accepting someones opinion and calling that someone an asshole for having an opinion you don't agree with!? I think it's best we just stop it now! Wow, that post just leaves me speechless .Pretty bad, huh? | |
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I don't know in which part of the world you live, but over here it's well known since years that those damages are for good!
And there are plenty of people, who stopped smoking! Nobody says it's easy, but if your health is important to you then it should be worth it! Otherwise, don't ask other people to feel sorry for you if you don't quit and become sick as a result of it! | |
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I mentioned this before, but we all do stuff that affects our health. If someone eats badly and gets heart disease or diabetes, do we say "fuck them, they knew the sugar & hamburgers were bad for them?"
Only difference with Amy is she did it much faster than most of us. Just because I don't smoke crack doesn't mean I'm living my life perfectly. I hope I won't be completely abandoned when I get sick, even if I am partly to blame. My Legacy
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applekisses said: Serious said: Wow, that post just leaves me speechless .Pretty bad, huh? Yes indeed  . He sure is perfect  .
BTW I just mentioned him here: http://prince.org/msg/100/274420 With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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applekisses said: PatrickS77 said: Oh geez... just because somebody in your family deliberatly and volunteerly ruined and fucked up their health I should feel sorry for them?? It's not going to happen and maybe you're the asshole for not accepting someones opinion and calling that someone an asshole for having an opinion you don't agree with!? I think it's best we just stop it now! Do you even understand how heartbreaking and devistating it is for someone who has seen a family member struggle with addiction and then die from it? Does it even enter your mind that seeing the horrible things you've said about them on top of it makes it even more hurtful for those people? And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started. [Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] I said several times now, that I do feel sorry for the relatives, for people who helplessly have to see their loved ones suffer and die through that shit... but you conveniently overlooked that! I don't feel sorry though for the actual patients, who brought it on and did it to themselves.... [Edited 6/24/08 11:48am] | |
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PatrickS77 said: I don't know in which part of the world you live, but over here it's well known since years that those damages are for good!
And there are plenty of people, who stopped smoking! Nobody says it's easy, but if your health is important to you then it should be worth it! Otherwise, don't ask other people to feel sorry for you if you don't quit and become sick as a result of it! I live in the US, Doctor. I don't know what it's like "over here" where you live, but that's the experience where I am. My sister, nor my mother or myself are asking for you or anyone to feel sorry for people like them or Amy Winehouse - just some human compassion and empathy would work. We ALL make mistakes - what makes you or me different? Who are we to judge those who fall for whatever reason? | |
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applekisses said: And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started.
[Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] Well, you started it... respect my opinion, even if you don't agree with it and let it go! | |
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PatrickS77 said: I'm not an asshole, I just have an opinion you don't like!
FAIL! you're an asshole, opinions aside  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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PatrickS77 said: applekisses said: And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started.
[Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] Well, you started it... respect my opinion, even if you don't agree with it and let it go! I don't respect your opinion and I'm not letting it go. | |
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PatrickS77 said: applekisses said: And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started.
[Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] Well, you started it... respect my opinion, even if you don't agree with it and let it go! Seriously, you don't demand respect you earn it. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Oh well, whatever! I said my piece! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: PatrickS77 said: I'm not an asshole, I just have an opinion you don't like!
FAIL! you're an asshole, opinions aside See, it's not you  (other thread )With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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PatrickS77 said: applekisses said: Do you even understand how heartbreaking and devistating it is for someone who has seen a family member struggle with addiction and then die from it? Does it even enter your mind that seeing the horrible things you've said about them on top of it makes it even more hurtful for those people? And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started. [Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] I said several times now, that I do feel sorry for the relatives, for people who helplessly have to see their loved ones suffer and die through that shit... but you conveniently overlooked that! I don't feel sorry though for the actual patients, who brought it on and did it to themselves.... [Edited 6/24/08 11:48am] Have you ever really loved anyone? If so, you know that if someone says something terrible about them it hurts you too...especially if they're dead or a sweet, frail old lady who cannot defend herself. So, anything you're saying about my family you're saying about me. | |
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PatrickS77 said: Oh well, whatever! I said my piece!
Are you a Michael Fan? That explains a lot  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: PatrickS77 said: Oh well, whatever! I said my piece!
Are you a Michael Fan? That explains a lot  | |
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PatrickS77 said: applekisses said: Do you even understand how heartbreaking and devistating it is for someone who has seen a family member struggle with addiction and then die from it? Does it even enter your mind that seeing the horrible things you've said about them on top of it makes it even more hurtful for those people? And if you want this to stop - you need to be the one to back off. I'm just getting started. [Edited 6/24/08 11:44am] I said several times now, that I do feel sorry for the relatives, for people who helplessly have to see their loved ones suffer and die through that shit... but you conveniently overlooked that! I don't feel sorry though for the actual patients, who brought it on and did it to themselves.... [Edited 6/24/08 11:48am] I lost my aunt who raised me to a heart attack although she lived a healthy life and my dad died of multiple sclerosis and he had lived a healthy life as well. I never smoked in my life, I never took any drugs, I don't drink alcohol, I am not overweight, I eat mostly vegetarian I don't do any dangerous sports. How come I don't feel as superior as you obviously do  ?With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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applekisses said: PatrickS77 said: I said several times now, that I do feel sorry for the relatives, for people who helplessly have to see their loved ones suffer and die through that shit... but you conveniently overlooked that! I don't feel sorry though for the actual patients, who brought it on and did it to themselves.... [Edited 6/24/08 11:48am] Have you ever really loved anyone? If so, you know that if someone says something terrible about them it hurts you too...especially if they're dead or a sweet, frail old lady who cannot defend herself. So, anything you're saying about my family you're saying about me.  He's just an idiot, Andrea  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: applekisses said: Have you ever really loved anyone? If so, you know that if someone says something terrible about them it hurts you too...especially if they're dead or a sweet, frail old lady who cannot defend herself. So, anything you're saying about my family you're saying about me. He's just an idiot, Andrea . | |
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applekisses said: PatrickS77 said: I said several times now, that I do feel sorry for the relatives, for people who helplessly have to see their loved ones suffer and die through that shit... but you conveniently overlooked that! I don't feel sorry though for the actual patients, who brought it on and did it to themselves.... [Edited 6/24/08 11:48am] Have you ever really loved anyone? If so, you know that if someone says something terrible about them it hurts you too...especially if they're dead or a sweet, frail old lady who cannot defend herself. So, anything you're saying about my family you're saying about me. I just want to interject that Patrick tried to keep the discussion in general terms and be respectful, he didn't make this conversation personal, you did. He didn't make fun of you or your family or express joy at their situation or wish them ill (actually I think you did that to him) he just didn't feel like sympathizing. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Would him saying that he sympathized with their situation change anything? You're in an online forum and should know that just because you share a painful, personal experience with the world doesn't mean everyone's going to empathize with you and chances are you're gonna get an insensitive remark or two lobbed your way. Besides he doesn't know you or your family so why should he feel obligated to feel sorry for them if he doesn't want to? Furthermore, you don't know him so why should you care what he thinks to the point that it gets you upset or you try to change his mind?  Just saying. . . | |
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SCNDLS said: applekisses said: Have you ever really loved anyone? If so, you know that if someone says something terrible about them it hurts you too...especially if they're dead or a sweet, frail old lady who cannot defend herself. So, anything you're saying about my family you're saying about me. I just want to interject that Patrick tried to keep the discussion in general terms and be respectful, he didn't make this conversation personal, you did. He didn't make fun of you or your family or express joy at their situation or wish them ill (actually I think you did that to him) he just didn't feel like sympathizing. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Would him saying that he sympathized with their situation change anything? You're in an online forum and should know that just because you share a painful, personal experience with the world doesn't mean everyone's going to empathize with you and chances are you're gonna get an insensitive remark or two lobbed your way. Besides he doesn't know you or your family so why should he feel obligated to feel sorry for them if he doesn't want to? Furthermore, you don't know him so why should you care what he thinks to the point that it gets you upset or you try to change his mind? Just saying. . .He certainly wasn't the mother theresa about it 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SCNDLS said: I just want to interject that Patrick tried to keep the discussion in general terms and be respectful, he didn't make this conversation personal, you did. He didn't make fun of you or your family or express joy at their situation or wish them ill (actually I think you did that to him) he just didn't feel like sympathizing. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Would him saying that he sympathized with their situation change anything? You're in an online forum and should know that just because you share a painful, personal experience with the world doesn't mean everyone's going to empathize with you and chances are you're gonna get an insensitive remark or two lobbed your way. Besides he doesn't know you or your family so why should he feel obligated to feel sorry for them if he doesn't want to? Furthermore, you don't know him so why should you care what he thinks to the point that it gets you upset or you try to change his mind? Just saying. . .He certainly wasn't the mother theresa about it Why should he be? If that's how he feels and he's not being verbally abusive why not? You've been known to say some, ummmmm, let's say, overly candid stuff too, Mister. | |
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SCNDLS said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He certainly wasn't the mother theresa about it Why should he be? If that's how he feels and he's not being verbally abusive why not? You've been known to say some, ummmmm, let's say, overly candid stuff too, Mister. Because he is hurting someone else ? Oh stupid me, why should he care ?With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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SCNDLS said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He certainly wasn't the mother theresa about it Why should he be? If that's how he feels and he's not being verbally abusive why not? You've been known to say some, ummmmm, let's say, overly candid stuff too, Mister. yes, yes I have. It just reminds me of blame the victim politics. Are these people responsible for their behavior? Obviously. Most don't ever care to try and understand how or why people end up in this situation. She is obviously out of her mind on drugs. Expecting her to make rational clear choices isn't reality. I can understand the hostility because I have had experience with people who destroy their lives at their own hands and how do you deal with someone who is not in touch at all with reality. It can be frustrating. But still I think the average person could try and at least think about what leads people to the path of destruction. Almost always it's their living a slow destruction before hand, usually destroyed by others. In some cases people take the reigns from others and drive the chariot to the cliffs because they know no better. Monsters aren't born, they are made and most often by someone else. So no, he's under no obligation but if he is going to shit on someone's existence, he should expect to be slapped in the face with soggy toilet paper
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Serious said: SCNDLS said: Why should he be? If that's how he feels and he's not being verbally abusive why not? You've been known to say some, ummmmm, let's say, overly candid stuff too, Mister. Because he is hurting someone else ? Oh stupid me, why should he care ?I guess my point is that everyone doesn't share your sensibilities. More importantly, why should SHE care what a complete stranger thinks. And like I said he tried repeatedly to keep it in general terms. It would have been different IMO if he was intentionally provoking the situation which I don't think he did. He just restated his opinion which she took issue with. Different strokes for different folks. . . | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SCNDLS said: Why should he be? If that's how he feels and he's not being verbally abusive why not? You've been known to say some, ummmmm, let's say, overly candid stuff too, Mister. yes, yes I have. It just reminds me of blame the victim politics. Are these people responsible for their behavior? Obviously. Most don't ever care to try and understand how or why people end up in this situation. She is obviously out of her mind on drugs. Expecting her to make rational clear choices isn't reality. I can understand the hostility because I have had experience with people who destroy their lives at their own hands and how do you deal with someone who is not in touch at all with reality. It can be frustrating. But still I think the average person could try and at least think about what leads people to the path of destruction. Almost always it's their living a slow destruction before hand, usually destroyed by others. In some cases people take the reigns from others and drive the chariot to the cliffs because they know no better. Monsters aren't born, they are made and most often by someone else. So no, he's under no obligation but if he is going to shit on someone's existence, he should expect to be slapped in the face with soggy toilet paper
. [Edited 6/24/08 12:16pm] I agree with what your saying, but I guess I don't have a problem with a differing opinion, (especially on this topic about someone who people have tried to help repeatedly) if it's expressed in a civil manner because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't impact me one way or the other.
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