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Reply #60 posted 06/23/08 4:52pm

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mancabdriver said:

I'm a fan of Amy's but i don't feel sorry for her - shes hugely popular, wealthy and talented....


But all that means nothing to her now. That's the sad part!
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Reply #61 posted 06/23/08 4:56pm

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I'm a fan of Amy's but i don't feel sorry for her - shes hugely popular, wealthy and talented....

she's had so many chances to sort herself out, yet she's throwing her life away. She's obviously not a strong person, she seems to lean to drugs or alcohol when she's got a trivial boyfriend problem. Get a grip bitch!

it's so ironic her first single had the lyrics : "He said 'the respect I made you earn, thought you had so many lessons to learn / I said 'you don't know what love is get a grip'




yeah, its easy to pic apart someone elses life on the out side looking in.
typically in situations like hers for regular people you have to totally remove your self from the people and surroundings and never ever go back.
Its probably quite hard in her case, its sounds as though she has very few options and a small group of friend&relatives who rather her stay and die than one of them plucking her away from everything and never ever looking back.
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Reply #62 posted 06/23/08 5:18pm

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horatio said:

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Yeah and we don't see people croaking from "weed poisoning" very often either. Everybody knows the only reason marijuana isn't legal in the U.S. is because the government can't track and control it.
This chick is on "other stuff(s)" and she admitted it in an interview before. I can't find it anymore but she's been very bold about her substance abuse; even to the point of writing songs about it. Live by the pipe; die by the pipe.


regardless your argument was about promoting an unhealthy life style and influencing other people in a negative manner.
maybe the weed doesn't hurt anyone, but the stigma and imagery around it does.
Gangs, Prison, Guns, and Death are all thing that come to mind surrounding this drug. Certainly persons have been effected negatively, both those imitating these ideas and concepts and the by standers.



I could easily spend a whole thread on that bolded statement alone. There is a deliberate reason that all of those things come to mind in association with it. Its called demonization. Instead of taking a plant that has more practical uses than most and implementing its usage, governments have chosen to demonize it. Hemp itself has a great deal of practical uses but...nevermind. I'm not even going there. I don't smoke or drink so it doesn't benefit me in a personal indulgence way to legalize it but scientifically, we could really use hemp.
Homegirl is on synthetic drugs as well as alcohol and that's what's fucking her up. She openly bragged about not going to rehab. She didn't want help and planted the seed in the minds of others that perhaps its okay NOT to seek help and her seeds have sprouted.
Don't get me wrong, I don't wish her ill, I just don't care that she's sick.
Aiberman: I'm not going to even address that other shot you took at me (the sister comment) because you don't know me, so you're basically just talking out of your ass.
I remain unchanged on the matter. If not caring about this chick makes me a monster then so be it. I'll be that monster. I still don't care. Everybody's got an excuse to exempt someone from personal responsibility. rolleyes

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Reply #63 posted 06/23/08 5:22pm

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Xcalibre said:

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Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!



tragic stupidity is sad sometimes.

Well, the only thing that is sad (or tragic) is that a 24 year old girl, after only a couple years of (soso) fame almost drives herself to the grave! She could have a great life... but is too stupid to have it and fucks it all up!

And yes, I also don't care... the bitch totally brought it on herself!
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Reply #64 posted 06/23/08 5:25pm

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Anxiety said:

PatrickS77 said:

Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!


illness is illness. my grandmother died of emphysema. the cause of it might have been her own fault but she was still my grandmother and seeing her suffer was still painful to me.

maybe we could all be a little less shallow about other people's suffering.

Well, she's not my grandmother, I don't find that Winehouse likeable and I assume that this thing comes from her substance abuse... so I don't care! Sorry if that sounds cold or shallow!
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Reply #65 posted 06/23/08 5:28pm

horatio

BlaqueKnight said:

horatio said:



regardless your argument was about promoting an unhealthy life style and influencing other people in a negative manner.
maybe the weed doesn't hurt anyone, but the stigma and imagery around it does.
Gangs, Prison, Guns, and Death are all thing that come to mind surrounding this drug. Certainly persons have been effected negatively, both those imitating these ideas and concepts and the by standers.



I could easily spend a whole thread on that bolded statement alone. There is a deliberate reason that all of those things come to mind in association with it. Its called demonization. Instead of taking a plant that has more practical uses than most and implementing its usage, governments have chosen to demonize it. Hemp itself has a great deal of practical uses but...nevermind. I'm not even going there. I don't smoke or drink so it doesn't benefit me in a personal indulgence way to legalize it but scientifically, we could really use hemp.
Homegirl is on synthetic drugs as well as alcohol and that's what's fucking her up. She openly bragged about not going to rehab. She didn't want help and planted the seed in the minds of others that perhaps its okay NOT to seek help and her seeds have sprouted.
Don't get me wrong, I don't wish her ill, I just don't care that she's sick.
I'm not going to even address that other shot you took at me (the sister comment) because you don't know me, so you're basically just talking out of your ass.
I remain unchanged on the matter. If not caring about this chick makes me a monster then so be it. I'll be that monster. I still don't care. Everybody's got an excuse to exempt someone from personal responsibility. rolleyes



again the scenario isnt about weed or drugs, its about promoting an attitude towards life through art/song/what ever medium one chooses, that isnt healthy and in doing that the chickens coming home to roost.
By YOUR estimations of her situation Tupac and many other artist who are dead got what they deserved because of the life styles they not only lead, but ADVOCATED.
and the 'sister comment' I have no idea what it is you are referring to.
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Reply #66 posted 06/23/08 5:31pm

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applekisses said:

Anxiety said:



illness is illness. my grandmother died of emphysema. the cause of it might have been her own fault but she was still my grandmother and seeing her suffer was still painful to me.

maybe we could all be a little less shallow about other people's suffering.


Exactly. My mother is 76 years old and has COPD. I see her struggle to breathe every day and her disease is due to 40 years of smoking, yes, but still no person deserves to suffer the way she does. When she started smoking doctors were still endorsing it!
Also, my sister died last year of a crack overdose. We tried all we could to get her into treatment and she just wouldn't do it. But, that doesn't mean she deserves to be spat upon.
Amy Winehouse is someone's daughter and she has an incredible talent. I wish some folks around here could be more compassionate when it comes to others burdens. God forbid it affects you one day.

Well, sorry about your mother and sister.... but geez... why should anyone feel sorry for them... they totally brought in on themselves... doctors are warning from the risks of smoking (whatever smoking), but these people all know it better or don't care and then we should feel sorry for them?? Hell no! If anything I feel sorry for the relatives, who have to suffer through seeing them suffer or losing people they love, but certainly not for the people who brought it on themselves!

And yes, I totally agree with BlaqueKnight!
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Reply #67 posted 06/23/08 5:35pm

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Serious said:

PatrickS77 said:

Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!

I feel sorry for someone like MJ as well although he is responsible for his life just like Amy is. Just saying shrug.

Well, a lot of his problems he did bring on himself.... and I don't feel that much sorry about those, but also many problems he didn't bring on himself and were created by his upbringing and other people including media and I feel sorry about those!
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Reply #68 posted 06/23/08 5:36pm

horatio

PatrickS77 said:

Xcalibre said:




tragic stupidity is sad sometimes.

Well, the only thing that is sad (or tragic) is that a 24 year old girl, after only a couple years of (soso) fame almost drives herself to the grave! She could have a great life... but is too stupid to have it and fucks it all up!

And yes, I also don't care... the bitch totally brought it on herself!



i wonder how many people who were not born into fame and money would handle suddenly being famous and wealthy at a young age.
I would liken it to suddenly winning the lottery.
Being young and impressionable, people at the age of 24 definitely do not have it together, most not even at 30.
People crawling out the wood work trying to ride your coat tails, guilting you into giving them money and paying their way for everything. Parents that act like you owe them.
I can see why she dont give a shit. The world is disgusting.
Its hard to live/love your self when there is not one person you feel you can trust or reciprocates the fabled love.
Especially being a young woman/girl who has likely been filled with the falsehood of romantic love.
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Reply #69 posted 06/23/08 5:40pm

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Wow, I've got the only flaming thread on page 1 of the Music: Non-Prince forum.

Don't I get, like, a cash prize or something? shrug
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #70 posted 06/23/08 6:18pm

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PatrickS77 said:

applekisses said:



Exactly. My mother is 76 years old and has COPD. I see her struggle to breathe every day and her disease is due to 40 years of smoking, yes, but still no person deserves to suffer the way she does. When she started smoking doctors were still endorsing it!
Also, my sister died last year of a crack overdose. We tried all we could to get her into treatment and she just wouldn't do it. But, that doesn't mean she deserves to be spat upon.
Amy Winehouse is someone's daughter and she has an incredible talent. I wish some folks around here could be more compassionate when it comes to others burdens. God forbid it affects you one day.

Well, sorry about your mother and sister.... but geez... why should anyone feel sorry for them... they totally brought in on themselves... doctors are warning from the risks of smoking (whatever smoking), but these people all know it better or don't care and then we should feel sorry for them?? Hell no! If anything I feel sorry for the relatives, who have to suffer through seeing them suffer or losing people they love, but certainly not for the people who brought it on themselves!

Grade A asshole commentary.
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Reply #71 posted 06/23/08 6:25pm

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Whatever! I don't feel sorry for someone who deliberatly risks their health! Period!
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Reply #72 posted 06/23/08 6:37pm

horatio

PatrickS77 said:

Whatever! I don't feel sorry for someone who deliberatly risks their health! Period!



WHATEVA! AH DO WHATEVA AH WANT!
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Reply #73 posted 06/23/08 7:18pm

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I hope and pray for only the very best for her, but I don't see her surviving very much longer.

I think she will die of anorexia before any of the drugs get her. And as someone above me said, emphysema is irreversible. If she cannot quit smoking, gradually she will lose the ability to breath.

That's how my mom died.
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Reply #74 posted 06/23/08 7:23pm

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Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.



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Reply #75 posted 06/23/08 7:28pm

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TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.


And lets not forget that Amy is an undercover racist. Therefore, it's safe to say that "The chickens has come home to roost".

How is she an undercover racist? What did she do?
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Reply #76 posted 06/23/08 7:29pm

horatio

uPtoWnNY said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.



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Reply #77 posted 06/23/08 7:31pm

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TonyVanDam said:



And lets not forget that Amy is an undercover racist. Therefore, it's safe to say that "The chickens has come home to roost".

How is she an undercover racist? What did she do?
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her bf recorded her & a friend drunk singing a racist rhyme shrug
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Reply #78 posted 06/23/08 7:31pm

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missfee said:

TonyVanDam said:



And lets not forget that Amy is an undercover racist. Therefore, it's safe to say that "The chickens has come home to roost".

How is she an undercover racist? What did she do?
[Edited 6/23/08 19:28pm]

Check out the video in this thread
http://prince.org/msg/105/272796?&pg=1

I don't understand why the hell she's performing at a celebration honoring Nelson Mandela. disbelief
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Reply #79 posted 06/23/08 7:34pm

horatio

SCNDLS said:

missfee said:


How is she an undercover racist? What did she do?
[Edited 6/23/08 19:28pm]

Check out the video in this thread
http://prince.org/msg/105/272796?&pg=1

I don't understand why the hell she's performing at a celebration honoring Nelson Mandela. disbelief



you dont see her band standing on the corner picketing her performances hmmm






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Reply #80 posted 06/23/08 7:35pm

uPtoWnNY

SCNDLS said:

missfee said:


How is she an undercover racist? What did she do?
[Edited 6/23/08 19:28pm]

Check out the video in this thread
http://prince.org/msg/105/272796?&pg=1

I don't understand why the hell she's performing at a celebration honoring Nelson Mandela. disbelief


That's what I'd like to know.
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Reply #81 posted 06/23/08 7:38pm

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horatio said:

SCNDLS said:


Check out the video in this thread
http://prince.org/msg/105/272796?&pg=1

I don't understand why the hell she's performing at a celebration honoring Nelson Mandela. disbelief



you dont see her band standing on the corner picketing her performances hmmm

What are you talking about? Where would I see this? So you're saying her own band is picketing her performance??? whofarted
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Reply #82 posted 06/23/08 7:40pm

horatio

SCNDLS said:

horatio said:




you dont see her band standing on the corner picketing her performances hmmm

What are you talking about? Where would I see this? So you're saying her own band is picketing her performance??? whofarted



the key word is: don't = DO NOT
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Reply #83 posted 06/23/08 7:42pm

Flowerz

very sad .. i'll keep her in prayers
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Reply #84 posted 06/23/08 7:44pm

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horatio said:

SCNDLS said:


What are you talking about? Where would I see this? So you're saying her own band is picketing her performance??? whofarted



the key word is: don't = DO NOT

Ummmm they're on her payroll so why would they picket her??? I hold whomever organized his birthday celebration accountable. I mean really do you think 90 year old Nelson is HUGE Amy Crackhouse fan???? rolleyes IMO she should never have been invited to perform. But after that video of her singing the racist lil ditty or maybe the one with her sucking on a crack pipe came out they should have uninvited her.
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Reply #85 posted 06/23/08 7:46pm

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Well, put me in the camp with the empathizers. Empathy means that if I were in the EXACT SAME SHOES (same personality, same insecurities, same addictions) as she, I *just might* be doing the same thing as she. I'm never quick to say what I would never do, and I certainly am not going to start judging people. That crap ALWAYS comes back to bite you in the azz. nod

I feel very sorry for her because her life is a living hell. No one deserves that, self-inflicted or not.

Now, leave me and my hippie, we-are-the-world sentiments ALONE. lol
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Reply #86 posted 06/23/08 7:49pm

horatio

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horatio said:




the key word is: don't = DO NOT

Ummmm they're on her payroll so why would they picket her??? I hold whomever organized his birthday celebration accountable. I mean really do you think 90 year old Nelson is HUGE Amy Crackhouse fan???? rolleyes IMO she should never have been invited to perform. But after that video of her singing the racist lil ditty or maybe the one with her sucking on a crack pipe came out they should have uninvited her.



well, i think its an odd scenario you just stated there.
imaging how mortified she is going to be performing after this recent shit storm, one people are much more concerned about than her addiction and health.
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Reply #87 posted 06/23/08 7:54pm

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horatio said:

SCNDLS said:


Ummmm they're on her payroll so why would they picket her??? I hold whomever organized his birthday celebration accountable. I mean really do you think 90 year old Nelson is HUGE Amy Crackhouse fan???? rolleyes IMO she should never have been invited to perform. But after that video of her singing the racist lil ditty or maybe the one with her sucking on a crack pipe came out they should have uninvited her.



well, i think its an odd scenario you just stated there.
imaging how mortified she is going to be performing after this recent shit storm, one people are much more concerned about than her addiction and health.

Why on Earth would she be "mortified" now???? She's been a public crackhead and heroin addict for years now. It's not like she's discreet. I think that viewpoint is odder than anything I've stated. She's a crackhead, she obviously doesn't give a shit about how that's perceived and people have been greatly "concerned" about her for years and it hasn't changed her behavior one bit. So again I ask, "What are you talking about?"
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Reply #88 posted 06/23/08 8:12pm

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I still bad for her regardless of the racist statements. I actually feel sorry for people who have that type of mindset period. It must be awful to be so narrow minded and not be open to all the things that are different from them. And to be an addict on top of that is a whole nutha dimension of tunnel fucked-upness. confused
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Reply #89 posted 06/23/08 8:12pm

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Good luck to her!

But is she really that talented?
Grace Jones was much more interesting both musically and optically. smile
small circles, big wheels!
I've got a pretty firm grip on the obvious!
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