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Reply #30 posted 06/23/08 11:34am

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Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.


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Reply #31 posted 06/23/08 11:37am

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Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.

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Reply #32 posted 06/23/08 11:39am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.


And lets not forget that Amy is an undercover racist. Therefore, it's safe to say that "The chickens has come home to roost".
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Reply #33 posted 06/23/08 11:44am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.


Do you feel sorry for any crack addicts?
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Reply #34 posted 06/23/08 11:44am

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Reply #35 posted 06/23/08 12:09pm

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Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!


illness is illness. my grandmother died of emphysema. the cause of it might have been her own fault but she was still my grandmother and seeing her suffer was still painful to me.

maybe we could all be a little less shallow about other people's suffering.


Exactly. My mother is 76 years old and has COPD. I see her struggle to breathe every day and her disease is due to 40 years of smoking, yes, but still no person deserves to suffer the way she does. When she started smoking doctors were still endorsing it!
Also, my sister died last year of a crack overdose. We tried all we could to get her into treatment and she just wouldn't do it. But, that doesn't mean she deserves to be spat upon.
Amy Winehouse is someone's daughter and she has an incredible talent. I wish some folks around here could be more compassionate when it comes to others burdens. God forbid it affects you one day.
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Reply #36 posted 06/23/08 12:11pm

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Reply #37 posted 06/23/08 12:17pm

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PatrickS77 said:

Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!

I feel sorry for someone like MJ as well although he is responsible for his life just like Amy is. Just saying shrug.
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #38 posted 06/23/08 12:20pm

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Anxiety said:



illness is illness. my grandmother died of emphysema. the cause of it might have been her own fault but she was still my grandmother and seeing her suffer was still painful to me.

maybe we could all be a little less shallow about other people's suffering.


Exactly. My mother is 76 years old and has COPD. I see her struggle to breathe every day and her disease is due to 40 years of smoking, yes, but still no person deserves to suffer the way she does. When she started smoking doctors were still endorsing it!
Also, my sister died last year of a crack overdose. We tried all we could to get her into treatment and she just wouldn't do it. But, that doesn't mean she deserves to be spat upon.
Amy Winehouse is someone's daughter and she has an incredible talent. I wish some folks around here could be more compassionate when it comes to others burdens. God forbid it affects you one day.


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With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #39 posted 06/23/08 12:21pm

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PatrickS77 said:

Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!


I feel sorry for anyone who is obviously deeply unhappy and/or very unwell, regardless of whose fault it is.
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Reply #40 posted 06/23/08 12:21pm

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It's sad because people turn to drugs because they're missing something in their lives.

Yes she did it to herself and now it's her responsibility to stop, but it's still sad that someone young & talented is still so empty that she has to do something as stupid as smoking crack.

Exactly.
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #41 posted 06/23/08 12:25pm

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Serious said:

PatrickS77 said:

Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!

I feel sorry for someone like MJ as well although he is responsible for his life just like Amy is. Just saying shrug.


yes, it's sad to see someone make mistakes and go down the wrong path. Whatever the cause, suffering is sad to witness!
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Reply #42 posted 06/23/08 12:25pm

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NDRU said:



Do you feel sorry for any crack addicts?[/quote]





There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.
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Reply #43 posted 06/23/08 12:27pm

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NDRU said:



Do you feel sorry for any crack addicts?






There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.[/quote]

It could have been a result of the drugs themselves that made her behave in such a way.
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Reply #44 posted 06/23/08 12:33pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

NDRU said:



Do you feel sorry for any crack addicts?






There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.


Kind of (I do see your point), she really sings about drinking, though, as far as I have heard. I don't see her glamorizing crack, but pretty much being a walking warning sign.

I just feel bad for people who destroy their lives, even if they have immature attitudes like her or Cobain, 2Pac, etc.
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Reply #45 posted 06/23/08 12:35pm

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applekisses said:

BlaqueKnight said:







There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.


It could have been a result of the drugs themselves that made her behave in such a way.


Yes, I think you are probably right about that. We all know that drugs and addiction can make a person do and say anything.

I wish Amy good luck. I hope she recovers and can start making great music again. I love both of her cd's and it would be great to see her record and perform again without falling all over the stage and forgetting the lyrics. She's a wonderful talent and I hope she has many years ahead of her to show it to us.
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Reply #46 posted 06/23/08 12:35pm

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Serious said:


I feel sorry for someone like MJ as well although he is responsible for his life just like Amy is. Just saying shrug.


yes, it's sad to see someone make mistakes and go down the wrong path. Whatever the cause, suffering is sad to witness!

True.
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #47 posted 06/23/08 12:38pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

NDRU said:



Do you feel sorry for any crack addicts?






There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.[/quote]
When someone like Kate Moss takes drugs and had a relationhip with a junkie like Pete Doherty she influences others as well. But I do agree that it is wrong to "promote" it the way Amy does.
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #48 posted 06/23/08 1:10pm

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BlaqueKnight said:


There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.







Except in these past cases, it's all about cebebrating (which is where the word "celebrity" comes from).

But I don't see any joy in Amy's case.
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Reply #49 posted 06/23/08 1:33pm

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PatrickS77 said:

Why is that sad?? If she would have breast cancer,that would be sad, but this ^^^^ is just her being stupid!

nod Exactly, I wish she'd get on with it. I'm tired of hearing about her wacky, drug-fueled shenanigans even though I don't follow her career. Next arrow
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Reply #50 posted 06/23/08 1:38pm

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TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:


There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.







Except in these past cases, it's all about cebebrating (which is where the word "celebrity" comes from).

But I don't see any joy in Amy's case.



Yeah and we don't see people croaking from "weed poisoning" very often either. Everybody knows the only reason marijuana isn't legal in the U.S. is because the government can't track and control it.
This chick is on "other stuff(s)" and she admitted it in an interview before. I can't find it anymore but she's been very bold about her substance abuse; even to the point of writing songs about it. Live by the pipe; die by the pipe.
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Reply #51 posted 06/23/08 1:44pm

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Soul Diva?
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Reply #52 posted 06/23/08 4:05pm

horatio

BlaqueKnight said:

TonyVanDam said:








Except in these past cases, it's all about cebebrating (which is where the word "celebrity" comes from).

But I don't see any joy in Amy's case.



Yeah and we don't see people croaking from "weed poisoning" very often either. Everybody knows the only reason marijuana isn't legal in the U.S. is because the government can't track and control it.
This chick is on "other stuff(s)" and she admitted it in an interview before. I can't find it anymore but she's been very bold about her substance abuse; even to the point of writing songs about it. Live by the pipe; die by the pipe.


regardless your argument was about promoting an unhealthy life style and influencing other people in a negative manner.
maybe the weed doesnt hurt anyone, but the stigma and imagery around it does.
Gangs, Prison, Guns, and Death are all thing that come to mind surrounding this drug. Certainly persons have been effected negatively, both those imitating these ideas and concepts and the by standers.
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Reply #53 posted 06/23/08 4:15pm

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i know it's corny, and i see where some of you are coming from, but i think it's ok to feel compassion for ANYBODY - celebrity, homeless crackhead on the street - whatever. ANYBODY suffering that much, period, i think it's cool to feel something for them, at least wish them well.
I'll leave it alone babe...just be me
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Reply #54 posted 06/23/08 4:15pm

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Let's put this in context. I feel bad for any human suffering.

But do I feel as bad for Amy as I do for a child who gets molested or gets cancer or is starving to death? definitely not. I feel bad for Mike Tyson & Michael Jackson, too, but not that bad!
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Reply #55 posted 06/23/08 4:25pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

NDRU said:



Do you feel sorry for any crack addicts?






There is a distinct difference between someone who uses and someone who promotes the use of. Lots of celebs are on drugs (Kate Moss for example) but when a celebrity embraces and promotes their substance use publicly, it influences others. That's where the line is crossed and the empathy leaves.




Sure, but crack-addicts (or any drug) also have the tendency for not thinking straight, does this mean we just have to let them die in the gutter and just not care??? I bet you would think different if little Amy was your sister.....or maybe not, seeing how her bystanders (including the record-industry!) fail to take action!


It's Kurt Cobain all over again! neutral
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Reply #56 posted 06/23/08 4:35pm

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TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Sorry. This chick wrote "Rehab". When that dropped, I lost all feelings of empathy for her. I don't care what anybody says. The reality of life is that you DON'T feel sorry for everyone all of the time. I don't feel sorry for singers and rappers who brag about selling drugs and get caught for drug possession. I don't feel sorry for singers who brag about substance abuse and then get sick or die from it. All of this "boo-hoo-hoo poor little Amy" crap is some BULL. She has always outwardly embraced her drug usage and her abuse of alcohol, in her music and in interviews. She had this coming. She was indirectly promoting this mentality and many on here embraced her perspectives as well. There are repercussions for every action and now she's getting hers. Let that be a lesson.


And lets not forget that Amy is an undercover racist. Therefore, it's safe to say that "The chickens has come home to roost".



so she deserves it, right????

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disbelief you're reducing yourself to a dispicable level (hers? confused ) with that statement!
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Reply #57 posted 06/23/08 4:38pm

Mong

If only she was half as talented as a lot of you think she is...

She's fucked, isn't she? Emphysema is irreversible, and not the best condition to have if you're a singer.
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Reply #58 posted 06/23/08 4:40pm

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I do feel sorry for her having the parents that she has, though. Mitch seems intent on becoming a minor celebrity through her, and her mother seems very dispassionate when talking about her daughter.
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Reply #59 posted 06/23/08 4:48pm

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I'm a fan of Amy's but i don't feel sorry for her - shes hugely popular, wealthy and talented....

she's had so many chances to sort herself out, yet she's throwing her life away. She's obviously not a strong person, she seems to lean to drugs or alcohol when she's got a trivial boyfriend problem. Get a grip bitch!

it's so ironic her first single had the lyrics : "He said 'the respect I made you earn, thought you had so many lessons to learn / I said 'you don't know what love is get a grip'
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