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Ice T: Soulja Boy Singlehandedly Killed Hip Hop Ice T says...
But get your money, man. I ain't trippin'. Fix bikes or something. Soulja Boy responds... Wikipedia says he was born in 1958. Tee hee hee heee ... [Edited 6/21/08 7:02am] | |
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1.) If rap was killed, it was years before Soulja Boy came on the scene. If anything, Soulja Boy is a musical descendant of unintelligible acts like Masta P. and his camp. So IMO Ice-T is wrong on that call.
2.) Someone needs to tell Soulja Boy that it was N.W.A. who made "Fuck da Police." 3.) Soulja Boy doesn't realize how unknowledgable and immature he sounds, in addition to spectacularly ignorant. At least Ice-T has a long-established career in music, film and TV; Souljah Boy has yet to prove he's more than a one-hit wonder. [Edited 6/21/08 7:55am] | |
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The real hip hop thing to do would be to perform or record a battle track or maybe mention it during a live show, not post on YouTube.
The dis from Ice-T seems to come out of nowhere. I don't see Soulja Boy sticking around for very long anyway because his gimmicks aren't built for longevity, so why not just ignore him? I wouldn't dis a kid like that; I do think his whole image and sound is wack though. | |
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LittleAmy said: 1.) If rap was killed, it was years before Soulja Boy came on the scene. If anything, Soulja Boy is a musical descendant of unintelligible acts like Masta P. and his camp. So IMO Ice-T is wrong on that call.
2.) Someone needs to tell Soulja Boy that it was N.W.A. who made "Fuck da Police." 3.) Soulja Boy doesn't realize how unknowledgable and immature he sounds, in addition to spectacularly ignorant. At least Ice-T has a long-established career in music, film and TV; Souljah Boy has yet to prove he's more than a one-hit wonder. [Edited 6/21/08 7:31am] I agree on that, Hip Hop had many that tore it down, and to say someone like Soulja Boy took down hip hop is giving that little loser too much credit. Ice T, needs to look at what Soulja Boy was born from, and thats the whole "cash money cars bling" idea, that GIMMICK is what has killed hip hop. So turn on a video channel anyday anytime and see that Gimmick still being used by the likes of everyone from Fat Joe to Young Jeezy and wonder why Soulja Boy exists. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: LittleAmy said: 1.) If rap was killed, it was years before Soulja Boy came on the scene. If anything, Soulja Boy is a musical descendant of unintelligible acts like Masta P. and his camp. So IMO Ice-T is wrong on that call.
2.) Someone needs to tell Soulja Boy that it was N.W.A. who made "Fuck da Police." 3.) Soulja Boy doesn't realize how unknowledgable and immature he sounds, in addition to spectacularly ignorant. At least Ice-T has a long-established career in music, film and TV; Souljah Boy has yet to prove he's more than a one-hit wonder. [Edited 6/21/08 7:31am] I agree on that, Hip Hop had many that tore it down, and to say someone like Soulja Boy took down hip hop is giving that little loser too much credit. Ice T, needs to look at what Soulja Boy was born from, and thats the whole "cash money cars bling" idea, that GIMMICK is what has killed hip hop. So turn on a video channel anyday anytime and see that Gimmick still being used by the likes of everyone from Fat Joe to Young Jeezy and wonder why Soulja Boy exists. Basically it every rapper from the Dirty South (except for The Geto Boyz) that are guilty from killing hip-hop. But you know something? Watching someone from the east coast (Ice-T was born in NJ, not LA) dissing anyone from the Dirty South is a recipe for a potential hip-hop war that may match the controversy the east coast/west coast feud of the 90's. As a matter of fact, Nas fired the first warning shot within 2 years ago during the promotion of his Hip-Hop Is Dead album. And a good number of Dirty Southern rappers weren't happy to be typecast as the people that ruining things for the east coast as a whole. If the east coast aren't happy with the state of hip-hop, then why continue to waste time hating & bitching on the Dirty South, when the east coast rappers themselves are at a much bigger fault for failing to reinvent themselves or their music. | |
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TonyVanDam said: lastdecember said: I agree on that, Hip Hop had many that tore it down, and to say someone like Soulja Boy took down hip hop is giving that little loser too much credit. Ice T, needs to look at what Soulja Boy was born from, and thats the whole "cash money cars bling" idea, that GIMMICK is what has killed hip hop. So turn on a video channel anyday anytime and see that Gimmick still being used by the likes of everyone from Fat Joe to Young Jeezy and wonder why Soulja Boy exists. Basically it every rapper from the Dirty South (except for The Geto Boyz) that are guilty from killing hip-hop. But you know something? Watching someone from the east coast (Ice-T was born in NJ, not LA) dissing anyone from the Dirty South is a recipe for a potential hip-hop war that may match the controversy the east coast/west coast feud of the 90's. As a matter of fact, Nas fired the first warning shot within 2 years ago during the promotion of his Hip-Hop Is Dead album. And a good number of Dirty Southern rappers weren't happy to be typecast as the people that ruining things for the east coast as a whole. If the east coast aren't happy with the state of hip-hop, then why continue to waste time hating & bitching on the Dirty South, when the east coast rappers themselves are at a much bigger fault for failing to reinvent themselves or their music. But even though Ice T is considered a pioneer, no one really cares about his statements for the most part. The crowd buying Soulja Boy could care less about Ice T unless they are drinking it. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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LittleAmy said: 1.) If rap was killed, it was years before Soulja Boy came on the scene. If anything, Soulja Boy is a musical descendant of unintelligible acts like Masta P. and his camp. So IMO Ice-T is wrong on that call.
2.) Someone needs to tell Soulja Boy that it was N.W.A. who made "Fuck da Police." 3.) Soulja Boy doesn't realize how unknowledgable and immature he sounds, in addition to spectacularly ignorant. At least Ice-T has a long-established career in music, film and TV; Souljah Boy has yet to prove he's more than a one-hit wonder. [Edited 6/21/08 7:55am] Of course Soulja Boy is immature. He's only a 17-years-old teenager (who talks as if he doesn't care about finishing high school anyway) that was dis recently by a 50+ years-old rapper/actor named Ice-T, who told him to "eat a dick". I wouldn't expect a little kid to know how to battle an old but wise lion without any knowledge of what he really getting himself into. | |
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TonyVanDam said: LittleAmy said: 1.) If rap was killed, it was years before Soulja Boy came on the scene. If anything, Soulja Boy is a musical descendant of unintelligible acts like Masta P. and his camp. So IMO Ice-T is wrong on that call.
2.) Someone needs to tell Soulja Boy that it was N.W.A. who made "Fuck da Police." 3.) Soulja Boy doesn't realize how unknowledgable and immature he sounds, in addition to spectacularly ignorant. At least Ice-T has a long-established career in music, film and TV; Souljah Boy has yet to prove he's more than a one-hit wonder. [Edited 6/21/08 7:55am] Its still irrelevant to the young crowd that does not respect what came before. Youth could care less what older artists think, or even what they do. Its all a young game now, we all know that. Thats why its funny when i hear people talk about how the new Cyndi or new Donna Summer isnt getting a chance? In this enviroment do we really think it would? Chuck D had similar comments on the Hip Hop game, but also, it was irrelevant, he made the comments while being interviewed by Tavis Smiley, who is also "irrelevant" to youth, sad but true. Of course Soulja Boy is immature. He's only a 17-years-old teenager (who talks as if he doesn't care about finishing high school anyway) that was dis recently by a 50+ years-old rapper/actor named Ice-T, who told him to "eat a dick". I wouldn't expect a little kid to know how to battle an old but wise lion without any knowledge of what he really getting himself into. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: TonyVanDam said: Basically it every rapper from the Dirty South (except for The Geto Boyz) that are guilty from killing hip-hop. But you know something? Watching someone from the east coast (Ice-T was born in NJ, not LA) dissing anyone from the Dirty South is a recipe for a potential hip-hop war that may match the controversy the east coast/west coast feud of the 90's. As a matter of fact, Nas fired the first warning shot within 2 years ago during the promotion of his Hip-Hop Is Dead album. And a good number of Dirty Southern rappers weren't happy to be typecast as the people that ruining things for the east coast as a whole. If the east coast aren't happy with the state of hip-hop, then why continue to waste time hating & bitching on the Dirty South, when the east coast rappers themselves are at a much bigger fault for failing to reinvent themselves or their music. But even though Ice T is considered a pioneer, no one really cares about his statements for the most part. The crowd buying Soulja Boy could care less about Ice T unless they are drinking it. In all honestly, I don't care for Soulja Boy's music myself (even thought I'm happy that he is able to make a one-hit song in the comforts of his cheap bedroom studio set-up). I just feel that the east coast hip-hop community have much bigger problems within itself and it's too easy to blame the Dirty South for it because most of the mainstream are from the south. Unless we're think Nas, Jay-Z, & 50 Cent, the east coast killed itself out of the mainstream spotlight a long time ago (thanks for nothing 50 Cent). And up in northern USA, only Kanye West is making hits. And in the west coast, only Snoop Dogg is making hits. All other hit rappers are from the south. | |
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lastdecember said: Its still irrelevant to the young crowd that does not respect what came before. Youth could care less what older artists think, or even what they do. Its all a young game now, we all know that. Thats why its funny when i hear people talk about how the new Cyndi or new Donna Summer isnt getting a chance? In this enviroment do we really think it would? Chuck D had similar comments on the Hip Hop game, but also, it was irrelevant, he made the comments while being interviewed by Tavis Smiley, who is also "irrelevant" to youth, sad but true. The war of hip-hop generation gap would become relevant if Tyra Banks decides to talk about it on The Tyra Show. I know the subject wouldn't be fair OR balance on Oprah!  | |
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TonyVanDam said: Of course Soulja Boy is immature. He's only a 17-years-old teenager (who talks as if he doesn't care about finishing high school anyway) that was dis recently by a 50+ years-old rapper/actor named Ice-T, who told him to "eat a dick". I wouldn't expect a little kid to know how to battle an old but wise lion without any knowledge of what he really getting himself into.
I would expect Souljah Boy to least know what song Ice-T made before making what he thought was a joke (N.W.A. made "Fuck da Police"). Or better yet, ignore Ice-T and actually make him look immature by taking the high road. Then let the public attack Ice-T for dissing someone young enough to be his child. For all his poor attempts at humor, it seemed at the end of his video that Souljah Boy was asking for some guidance (though I don't know serious it was). [Edited 6/21/08 18:02pm] | |
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Soulja's response had to do with everything except what Ice T criticized -- his lack of artistry. Somehow I saw that coming. 
Ice T is wrong that Soulja Boy singlehandedly killed hip hop, but M.C.s like him -- with their pointless, garble-mouthed lyrics and wack productions that sound like a game of Simon -- do crank out utter trash these days that increasingly characterize hip hop as non-art. And criticism from others aside, it kills me how so many hip hoppers have such little respect for their own craft! There's always been this notion that eventually a respectable person becomes too old to be an M.C. It's tantamount to an admission their music is the stuff of children. What the heck is that? I can't think of musicians of any other genre who just expect their art won't mature along with them.  Soooo sad.Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: HAHAAA what! Was that Ice-T's 16 year old son at the end saying "eat a dick"
Where is the battle track?? | |
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What would have been funny is if Soulja Boy would've said: "I'd rather drink Coco than eat a d***."
But as they say, "Them's Fighting Words." This poses the question of what did "Body Count" do for Metal? [Edited 6/21/08 21:28pm] "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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Soulja Boy was trying to say that Ice-T is simply out of touch with todays audience due to his age, so I am glad that Ice followed it up with a few examples of today's hip hop worth listening to.
Yes, Lil Wayne was mentioned! | |
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i think its funny that Ice-T thinks that Soulja Boy is whack, basically because he makes music for a pop audience, when Ice-T is probably the biggest sell out rapper, to go from the streets to "Law and Order". It would be one thing if dude still makes records, but the last thing i heard from him was "Colors" and now I see him on MTV cribs with a trophy wife yea, i know... | |
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TheBoyfromtheBand said: i think its funny that Ice-T thinks that Soulja Boy is whack, basically because he makes music for a pop audience, when Ice-T is probably the biggest sell out rapper, to go from the streets to "Law and Order". It would be one thing if dude still makes records, but the last thing i heard from him was "Colors" and now I see him on MTV cribs with a trophy wife
Surely, you didn't miss Ice-T's "O.G. Original Gangster" in 1991. That came out three years after "Colors." For that matter, did you miss "The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...Just Watch What You Say" in 1989? I'm not quite seeing the sellout connection, given that Ice-T was acting in film and TV since the early '90s. If you're saying Ice-T sold out that he was playing a police officer on "Law & Order" then by your definition he sold out way before that in "New Jack City." | |
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bboy87 said: Well, at least the Iceman apologize! | |
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TonyVanDam said: Well, at least the Iceman apologize!
Not only that, Ice-T acknowledged it wasn't a generational issue but that Soulja Boy's music is garbage. | |
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FUCK Ice-T.
You ditch ignorance, it'll come swingin' back @ your ass in a heartbeat. As far as I'm concern, BOTH of them mofos ain't credible to associate themselves with hip-hop. Both got into the game for ALL the wrong reasons(both wanted to get rich out of it, as opposed to lift its listeners up like Public Enemy or Common). I don't wanna hear Ice-T buffing his chest @ some young dude and talking all that mess about "you killed hip-hop". NEWSFLASH: It died, emphasis on the past tense. [Edited 6/22/08 4:42am] | |
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TheBoyfromtheBand said: i think its funny that Ice-T thinks that Soulja Boy is whack, basically because he makes music for a pop audience, when Ice-T is probably the biggest sell out rapper, to go from the streets to "Law and Order". It would be one thing if dude still makes records, but the last thing i heard from him was "Colors" and now I see him on MTV cribs with a trophy wife
Sellout or not (I'm not going to debate that) Ice T has charted plenty since Colors. Personal insults directed at a 17-year-old are pretty low. He should have stuck to criticizing his music, which is a valid argument. Cee - I gave Lil Wayne's album a listen. Not bad, but I think the praise is a bit bloated. The music and beats are good. I'm just not a fan of his personal style of rapping. I like Got Money, Comfortable, Dr. Carter (reminds me some of Guru), Tie My Hands and Shoot Me Down. He's just such a clown that in the long run, I just can't deal. | |
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wow Soulja Boy's response is ignorant. very ignorant. i hate his music beyond belief. and even though he said it in a profoundly stupid way in his response....he's right.
Ice T obviously has nothing better to do than tell younger "artists" that they suck. if you don't like the music, that's fine but telling him that he should eat a dick is pretty messed up  | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: TheBoyfromtheBand said: i think its funny that Ice-T thinks that Soulja Boy is whack, basically because he makes music for a pop audience, when Ice-T is probably the biggest sell out rapper, to go from the streets to "Law and Order". It would be one thing if dude still makes records, but the last thing i heard from him was "Colors" and now I see him on MTV cribs with a trophy wife
Sellout or not (I'm not going to debate that) Ice T has charted plenty since Colors. Personal insults directed at a 17-year-old are pretty low. He should have stuck to criticizing his music, which is a valid argument. Cee - I gave Lil Wayne's album a listen. Not bad, but I think the praise is a bit bloated. The music and beats are good. I'm just not a fan of his personal style of rapping. I like Got Money, Comfortable, Dr. Carter (reminds me some of Guru), Tie My Hands and Shoot Me Down. He's just such a clown that in the long run, I just can't deal. But the Soulja Boy crowd has no CLUE who Ice T is, it was the same when Chcuk D had a great view on all of the hip hop industry and told it like it is, but did anyone care? for the most part NO, there are people buying rap music now that dont even know who Chuck D is. As for ICE T, he is famous for exploiting women, so he built a WHOLE OTHER problem that rap has and most of the industry has, so he needs to look in the mirror too. As for LIL WAYNE, its scary that this clown sold a million, but not a surprise when you see the majority of people who are buying it. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: As for LIL WAYNE, its scary that this clown sold a million,
Lil Wayne is not the same kid you knew from 10 or even 5 years ago. He has improved immensely, and built his audience by releasing a lot of album-worthy songs on mixtapes. lastdecember said: but not a surprise when you see the majority of people who are buying it.
Eat a dick. | |
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Cinnie said: lastdecember said: As for LIL WAYNE, its scary that this clown sold a million,
Lil Wayne is not the same kid you knew from 10 or even 5 years ago. He has improved immensely, and built his audience by releasing a lot of album-worthy songs on mixtapes. lastdecember said: but not a surprise when you see the majority of people who are buying it.
Eat a dick. Actually i wish Lil Wayne was the kid from 10 years ago, because then he might still have something. But like i said before, he is more of the same game. Pimping clubbing "heres what i got" bull crap. And doing mixtapes doesnt improve you, Mariah Carey is currently on 4 with new tracks and we all know how bad her songs have been the last 5 years. And the majority buying his record are POP fans not "real" rap fans, thats just the way it is. Lil Wayne is respected for selling, but hes brought nothing new to the genre that wasnt there long before him, and like its been said, he raps like he has a mouth full of shit, whatever happend to RAP BEING ABOUT LYRICS??? "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Soulja Boy will never be heard from again. Ice T is a legend. Hey, it depends on when you grew up too. Everyone's legend is someone different. But rap is not creating any legends anymore. And Soulja Boy is a one hit wonder. I hope he saved his cash....he gonna need it.
I'm gonna save them some time and send him a Walmart job application. He'll need it soon! Love God and I shall 4ever Love u | |
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Harlepolis said: FUCK Ice-T.
You ditch ignorance, it'll come swingin' back @ your ass in a heartbeat. As far as I'm concern, BOTH of them mofos ain't credible to associate themselves with hip-hop. Both got into the game for ALL the wrong reasons(both wanted to get rich out of it, as opposed to lift its listeners up like Public Enemy or Common). I don't wanna hear Ice-T buffing his chest @ some young dude and talking all that mess about "you killed hip-hop". NEWSFLASH: It died, emphasis on the past tense. [Edited 6/22/08 4:42am]  | |
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lastdecember said: Actually i wish Lil Wayne was the kid from 10 years ago, because then he might still have something. But like i said before, he is more of the same game. Pimping clubbing "heres what i got" bull crap. And doing mixtapes doesnt improve you, Mariah Carey is currently on 4 with new tracks and we all know how bad her songs have been the last 5 years.
And the majority buying his record are POP fans not "real" rap fans, thats just the way it is. Lil Wayne is respected for selling, but hes brought nothing new to the genre that wasnt there long before him, and like its been said, he raps like he has a mouth full of shit, whatever happend to RAP BEING ABOUT LYRICS??? It is about lyrics! The people checkin for lyrics are diggin Lil Wayne's wordplay (I promise). Especially in freestyling it is all about line for line funny word association and punchlines or metaphors, having fun with language. Remember when rap was fun? That's what Carter 3 is about. As far as content, yes, Lil Wayne plays the game just like everyone else so his next single with T-Pain will be about throwing money in the club, but that doesn't make up the entirety of the album. My point about Lil Wayne's mixtapes was actually how prolific he is and how a lot of those songs could have been album tracks. Yes Lil Wayne brought in a larger audience sorta like Jay-Z's third album. I have no problem with that. | |
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