missfee said:

There is nothing soulful about any of those artists.

Most of them are incredibly overproduced and drop nothing but trite, sample-heavy uninspired music that seems to be the product of some kind of throwback music computer program.

The only difference between them and the OTHER shit hop artists is the songs they choose to water down and the clothes their marketing people put on them.

Dance said:

Well that's your opinion but I like those artists and consider them to be soulful especially for todays standards. If they not soulful to you then oh well, I could care less.

Graycap23 said:

There's a big difference...

Soul music comes straight from gospel culture, which emphazises extremly on strong vocal skills, harmonies, melodies and slow/mid tempo rythmic... It's like taking gospel music and removing the christian lyrics... That was the point...

R&B can be translated as contempory black music, or POP black music... R&B takes the elements of soul music mixed with contemporary sound... R&B is a mainstream oriented music genre, while soul music is a straight black music genre...
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krayzie said:

lol.....ok. Now I'm more confused than when I posed the question.

Dance said:

Have you ever seen any of them live? Just curious.

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I see it as Soul came before R&B. It's like Pop came after Rock and Roll. Both are just offshoots of the other.

The hell if I know. As long as I've been listening to music, from the charts to radio format, it has been called Soul one minute and R&B the next. For instance, there was the Soul charts and then it would be called the R&B charts. Even the radio stations identified themselves as a Soul format or as an R&B format. And both the charts and radio stations that identified themselves this way played everything ranging from the Motown era, the early funk era, the disco era, the funk era after disco's death, the early rap era...and even later there was the house era and the shit hop era. Hell, even hard rock like Prince's "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad" was on the soul charts and stations back in the day. From what I've gathered, the media likes to classify both soul and R&B as "anything black".

I've never really payed any attention to, or cared, what the official name is, as long as it sounded good. Lately I've been putting all my music into categories since I've been putting songs in my computer and letting the shuffle feature play the music. I label them in detailed categories because I don't like genres mixed and I don't like slow and fast mixed. When I'm in a certain mood, I like to stay in that mood. I haven't had any problem calling things funk, disco, rock, or house. However, when I come across a song like Ashford and Simpson's "Solid" or Marvin Gaye's "Sexual Healing", I don't want the computer throwing something in of that nature in the middle of really feeling a great funk or disco mood. It just would bring the mood down. I also have songs labeled as slow jams which are more of the sexy "after midnight" type songs I have such The Stylistics or Blue Magic. I labeled most of the midtempo type stuff that really serves no purpose as soul. Not necessarily that it is, but I just needed something to name these type songs so they don't interrupt the flow in the shuffle feature when I'm playing something for the ass on the dancefloor or the dick in the bedroom.
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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

All you need to do is stay away from anything labeled rap, hip hop, crunk, modern R&B, R&B, hip hop soul, or neosoul.

And don't listen to Jill Scott or any artist that someone tells you "sounds like Prince, Sly, or Parliament."

Oh yeah, if someone throws some label at you that you've never friggin heard of and they're trying to hype it up...neofusionsoulfunkelectrocore or some mess...punch them in the face

Dance said:

lol.....

krayzie said:

preach!

Dance said:

how can you not think of someone as Jill Scott as a soul singer? You sound like an idiot...no offense. Thats like saying Bobby Womack sounds like a whiny old man who just was nothing more than a man who fucked Sam Cooke's family.

Soul = The DreZone
R'n'B =

Smell what I'm cookin'?

'dre

missfee said:

Really Jill?

Shouldn't you be somewhere singtalking over canned mall music?

Dance said: