I'm undecided.

I started a thread about this track awhile ago.

http://prince.org/msg/8/270725

I like it.

DJ506 said:

Since my thread has the official video, it should stay.

TonyVanDam said:

Oh, I agree.

As she says, I like it.

She's cute as f...

And why is it that Dr. Evil pets a cat, he's Eeeeevil, but a girl pets a cat and it's all sexy?


Good song. An artist to look out for.

I want this to be a "vs. Jill Sobule" thread

Alasseon said:

I think this is the reason the IDEA of the song will go over with the heterosexual male crowd. That's the only way they can swallow this idea.

How come Girls can get away with songs like this and if it was a dude singing that he kissed another dude all hell would break loose.... but i like this song

banks said:

Because female/female sex plays into male fantasies, and all sexuality must be filtered through the male mind to be acceptable. But, yeah...cute song.

The Jill Sobule song is SO much better written.

RipHer2Shreds said:

You forgot one important word: STRAIGHT male mind.

I'm sure you would find a male/male kissing song okay, right?

sextonseven said:

Don't tempt me to write one.

sextonseven said:

Actually, I thought I wrote that. Thanks for catching it. And are there male/male kissing songs? I don't even know. And if you know, you need to explain to me why you know and I don't.

Some of the responses here have been hilarious, but what I find interesting is that we here on the Org are generally appreciative of Talent, regardless of the sexual orientation.

We've seen threads giving it up to Bowie, and rightly so. A lot of the Org give Freddie Mercury his due. George Michael has been justly praised for his body of work. Even Boy George gets respect here.

And of course, our man, Prince, can throw off the androgynous vibe while singing "If I Wuz Ur Girlfriend", and dating all the gorgeous women he's been seen with.

So, on the whole, Orgers could take an "I kissed a guy" song, if it was well-done. The rest of America...not so much.

If she was hot, it would be a yay! But it's a nay.

RipHer2Shreds said:

I don't know of any male/male ones that were hits. Pansy Division's "Homo Christmas" is a big hit with me every holiday season. Funniest Christmas song ever.

i saw this video for the first time the other day. i like it

RipHer2Shreds said:

Also, the girl-girl kissing scene (especially within a game like Truth or Dare) is consider sexier for straight men to watch.

I like it. I also remember (and like) the Jill Sobule song.

AMG's review of the album is pretty harsh. The reviewer, Stephen Thomas Erlewine, rarely gets to the point quickly and this review is no different.

Katy Perry
One of the Boys

One of the Boys aims to be a gender-bending work of meta-pop but ends up instead as a pandering, calculated train wreck of an album.

Listening to Katy Perry's litany of belched alphabets, fruity boyfriends, Vegas hangovers, and lesbian lip-locks on her debut, One of the Boys, it's easy to assume she'll do anything for attention, and a close read of her history proves that suspicion true. Prior to her transformation into a teen tart, Perry was a Christian singer operating under the name Katy Hudson — an appellation a little bit too close to Kate Hudson, so she swapped last names and started working with big-name producer after big-name producer, cutting sessions with Glen Ballard and then the Matrix. That was enough to get buzz touting her as a next big thing in 2004, but not enough to actually get a record into the stores, a nicety that often proves invaluable for wannabe pop stars. Given this long line of botched starts, maybe it makes sense that the 24-year-old trollop is singing with the desperation of a fading burlesque star twice her age, yet Perry's shameless pandering on One of the Boys is startling, particularly as it comes in the form of some ungodly hybrid of Alanis Morissette's caterwauling and the cold calculation of Britney Spears in her prime. This fusion is no accident, as Perry works once again with Ballard, the producer behind Alanis' breakthrough Jagged Little Pill, and Max Martin, the writer/producer of "Baby One More Time" — and that's just for starters! She also brings aboard Desmond Child to give "Waking Up in Vegas" an anonymous anthemic pulse, Dave Stewart to give "I'm Still Breathing" a Euro sheen, and Butch Walker to amp up the amplifiers, giving her a different sound for every imaginable demographic.

All the pros give One of the Boys a cross-platform appeal, but there's little question that its revolting personality is all down to Katy Perry, who distills every reprehensible thing about the age of The Hills into one pop album. She disses her boyfriend with gay-baiting; she makes out with a girl and she's doesn't even like girls; she brags to a suitor that he can't afford her, parties till she's face-down in the porcelain, drops brands as if they were weapons, curses casually, and trades under-the-table favors. In short, she's styled herself as a Montag monster. Perry is not untalented — she writes like an ungarbled Alanis and has an eye for details, as when she tells her emo meterosexual boyfriend to hang himself with his H&M scarf on "Ur So Gay" — but that only accentuates how her vile wild-child persona is an artifice designed to get her the stardom she craves. Maybe if the music were as trashy as the style, she could get away with it, as it would have a junky thrill, but that's where all the high-thread-count producers actually work against One of the Boys. They flatten everything out, turning the stomping Gary Glitter beat of "I Kissed a Girl" into a leaden stumble and burying Perry's voice underneath Pro Tools overdubs so it all winds up as a faceless wash of sound designed to be placed in TV shows, movie trailers, and malls — which is of course part of the plan, as this is music designed to be everywhere after Perry's taboo flirtations break down doors. The problem is not with Katy's gender-bending, it's that her heart isn't in it; she's just using it to get her places, so she sinks to crass, craven depths that turn One of the Boys into a grotesque emblem of all the wretched excesses of this decade.

banks said:

Admittance to male-male make-outs are taboo. It's a double standard and I feel it NEEDS to be broken. Come on, it wouldn't hurt for a guy to say he kissed a guy. Maybe as time goes on, we WILL hear it. Hearing women saying they kissed girls is not as shocking either especially considering that men, we get horny anyway from that that it is ocmmonplace. I got hard from seeing t.A.T.u. kiss back in 2002, lol. Though they're not really gay.

Timmy84 said:

The industry is full of the double standards. Usher can sick with his shirt off and thats Sexy. Ashanti does a show in a micro mini skirt and she's a HO, so thats it in a nutshell. As Prince said, you cant get out of a WEB of thinking like that.

lastdecember said:

True.

Timmy84 said:

This is why it bugs when i hear the comments towards female singers, labeling them skanks and ho's etc... Im thinking, if you think a mini skirt or singing a sexy song makes a woman a skank, u really need to get out of the house.

weirdly..... eye lyk this song!!

Alasseon said:

Seems like it, don't it? We Americans are so damn clueless.

lastdecember said:

It's sad, lol. I hardly think that shit whenever a female singer wears a mini-skirt, lol. Hell let the girl get comfortable, shit.

Sometimes the entertainment industry can try to make sense out of big-ass molehills.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Yeah I knew I wasn't feelin' Katy when I heard that song. I'm already done with her.

She pretty much wrote her own ticket by having a catch phrase, or novelty type hit song, she is gonna be resigned to having that song follow her forever, congrats on being the Toni Basil of the new century