when eric and his cream buddies and jeff beck and pete towsend have seen jimi hendrix for the first time , killing it on his blues rock rendention of killing floor
they all thought they lost their jobs,

clapton was so devestated that in return to home
in taxi he thought his creer is over.

but he went to fight back,made perm
on his hair and started playing his best ever guitar solos.

even so jimi was better i heard that one of the first thing he wanted to do in england was to meet eric clapton,
legend says that jimi liked erics solos but he wasn't pleased witrh erics rhythm guitar playing.

thebanishedone said:

True. One thing Clapton did hip Hendrix to was the wah wah pedal. Jimi didn't get with using it untill his second album "Axis". But although Clapton gets credit in exposing the pedal to Hendrix, Hendrix took it to another level. So much so, that when folks hear a wah wah, they usually credit it as a "Hendrix" sound. Aint that a bitch! I'm sure Clapton was cool with it. Clapton has said that when Hendrix died, he was angry with Jimi for leaving him "here" all by himself. Clapton, like Beck and Pete and Page, all admired and respected Jimi. Maybe Aud or pali rememebrs this. Maybe not, but I wrote a thread on here about Jimi's invasion on Britain and how he basically scared the drawers off of the British guitar players. Beck, Pete, Eric and Page.

A Little Trivia. Frank Zappa was the first one using the wah wah pedal.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...6NUmY7thc8

http://www.youtube.com/wa...d96ngpR9TQ
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carlcranshaw said:

I always read that Clapton introduced the wah to Hendrix. I was aware that Zappa was already using it but didn't connect it with Hendrix. Thanx for that cool link.

I always read that Clapton introduced the wah to Hendrix. I was aware that Zappa was already using it but didn't connect it with Hendrix. Thanx for that cool link.[/quote]

http://wiki.killuglyradio...mi_Hendrix

http://home.online.no/~co...erview.htm
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carlcranshaw said:

http://wiki.killuglyradio...mi_Hendrix

http://home.online.no/~co...erview.htm
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Yep. Cool. I have the We're In It For The Money with the Beatle Sgt Pepper parady album cover with Jimi in the crowd. I knew Zappa dug Jimi but again, wasn't hip to him being credited for hipping Jimi to wah. That was credited to Clapton. Oh well,...Hendrix STILLS own that effect and the most well known to use it.

You could see how Jimi scared everyone. He had the showmanship of Townsend, the guitar skills of Clapton, and the songwriting skills all his own. Basically he one-upped everyone at everything!

But at the same time, I think those guys were excited to see a great genius, just like the rest of us.

I've never been a huge Clapton fan, but lately I've come to respect him quite a lot. He didn't have the flash of Jimi, but he was/is an all around pro. Sings well, plays well, writes well. He's aged better than most of his contemporaries. I like his tone better than Jimi, and he's a very perfect player, if not the most exciting player. If Jimi was a sprinter, Clapton ran the marathon.

NDRU said:

Good reference. I like Clapton too. I liked him with Cream and his solo stuff.

I've heard an alternate story about Jimi's introduction to the wah pedal. Johnny Echols guitarist in the Legendary La. band, Love said Arthur Lee gave Jimi his Vox wah pedal. He said Vox wanted them to try out their latest gear and they couldn't figure out the wah wah pedal handed it over to Jimi. The rest as they say is history.
I do love Clapton's Cream output! If you want something really funky and out of left field avant garde, look for Jack Bruce's(Cream bassist) solo material from the early to mid-seventies. Lewis Taylor was definitely diggin' some Jack Bruce.

What a misleading thread title. I was expecting to hear salacious details of backdoor burgling.

sunlite said:

Whaaat?! ....Damn, I can see that too. I adore Love and Arthur. Jimi knew Arthur before Jimi went to England in 66. The only snag is that if Jimi had it by then, he certainly would have used the pedal on his first album. It would have been Manic Depression or May This Be Love. Hey, wait a second; when did Zappa say he gave it to Jimi?

I've read that there was definitely mutual admiration between the two of them and they became pretty good friends.

I was going to post a picture of the two of them together (because you know I talk in pictures) but I can't find it in my photobucket. Maybe tA has one?

carlcranshaw said:

aha!

I've read though where Kathy Etchingham has stated that Eric and Jimi weren't nearly as close as it appeared. She said that they always were very polite to each other but their was no real friendship there. I always go back to what Pete talked about on how Eric called him out of the blue to go see a film. And basically he and Eric just ended up talking about Jimi. Pete stated that was the only reason Eric reached out to Pete, so they could rap about Jimi.

blackguitaristz said:

I believe Eric was "wary" of Jimi.

There was a big 1968 Rolling Stone interview where Eric got all out the box and said: "Everybody in England thinks Spades have big d****. Jimi came across like that and everyone fell for it."

He loved him but he DIDN'T love him. Kind of like the guy at work who invites you over for BBQ but panics when you tell him his wifes sister is hot. "Say man, Julie's got that Spring Thomas vibe."

And I've read Jeff and Pete's weird negative "revisionist" statements about Jimi later in their careers.

I'll find the exact quotes because I don't believe in slandering people.

Eric got his ass kicked onstage by Jimi, Jeff and SRV. He hasn't played the same since Cream. Have you heard Eric's version of "Love Don't Love Nobody"? Philippe Wynne is up there on a cloud with a crowbar. He would like to have a word with Eric.

Pete can't solo. He made up for it by strumming loud chords. He lost his hearing but he didn't lose his vision so he can see his uh, online activities.

Jeff since "Blow By Blow" has compounded Tommy Bolin and Ray Gomez into one style that people think is his.

Eric and Jeff and Pete should realize Jimi was the man.

To their credit:

Eric was the first person Jimi wanted Chas Chandler to introduce him to. Jimi loved Eric's playing on the "Bluesbreakers" album.

Jimi loved Jeff's playing in The Yardbirds. "Third Stone From The Sun" was inspired by "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago" along with the great feedback stuff. He named Jeff's "Bolero" as one of his favorite tracks. Ask Jeff what is the last thing you hear in the 1973 Hendrix movie? "Rice Pudding".

Jimi said he dug The Who and loved the way Pete used feedback. And the whole idea of using Marshalls was inspired by The Who.Which ALL of us guitar players owe Pete for the 4-12 Half-Stack.. (Although Ear Candy Cabinets make the best 2-12's that sound BETTER.)
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minneapolisgenius said:

Definitely, that's who he wanted to meet first in England. We fans can easily say "clapton sucks compared to Jimi" but artists are usually more respectful of each others' talents. I think Jimi must have recognized how good clapton was, even though he had plenty of confidence in his own talents!

blackguitaristz said:

I think from the start they must have been set ups as adversaries. Even if they had mutual respect, it's like two great fighters. They can't love each other until the bout is over & done with.

And that says nothing about personalities. Maybe they just didn't really like each other

carlcranshaw said:

Great post. Plus don't forget that "Sunshine Of Your Love" was highly influnced by Jimi. Ironically it was written by Jack Bruce.

SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."

Great post. Plus don't forget that "Sunshine Of Your Love" was highly influnced by Jimi. Ironically it was written by Jack Bruce.

SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."[/quote]

Which Jimi in turn dedicated to Cream when they were breaking up,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...E80W5xYbTI

blackguitaristz said:

I think the Sunshine of Your Love story is a myth.

Jack Bruce said in the VH1 Classic Albums documentary that he came up with that riff when he and Pete Brown were staying up all night trying to write songs.

He said when he came up with the riff , he told Pete it was getting near dawn.

The rest is history!!!

An interesting take on The Wah-Wah Theories...

The first known photos of Hendrix using a wah-wah date from an Aug. 15, 1967 gig in Ann Arbor. Almost all subsequent shots of the pedal reveal that he preferred the Vox wah-wah manufactured by Jennings Musical Industries Ltd. of Kent, England. "The first record I heard with the wah-wah was Tales Of Brave Ulysses [released June, 1967 as flip-side of the Strange Brew single by Cream]," noted Jimi. "It's a very groovy sound. But on Are You Experienced? [released May, 1967], on the track I Don't Live Today [recorded Feb. 20, '67] there's a guitar takin' solo on it and it's wah-wah-like. But we used a hand wah-wah then, which sounds very good. We were doin' it with hand then. So then Vox and this other company in the States, in California, they made this [foot-pedal] scene. We released a record about two or three days after Cream came out with one. It was coincidental because we didn't know anything about their record and they didn't know anything about ours."

What may have happened is that Eric Clapton played Cream's recording of Tales Of Brave Ulysses for Jimi in early May, 1967, just a "few days" before I Don't Live Today was released on the Are You Experienced? album. This scenario implies that Clapton recorded with the foot pedal before Jimi did. Pinpointing Jimi's first pedal-wah'd note is a quest befitting Sherlock Holmes. There are three theories as to when Jimi actually first used the wah-wah foot pedal: the Monkees Theory, the EXP Theory, and the Jayne Mansfield Theory.

"I had used wah-wah," said Frank Zappa in a 1977 interview with Guitar Player magazine, "during We're Only In It For The Money in '67, and that was just before I met Hendrix. He came over and sat in with us at the Garrick Theater that night and was using all this stuff we had on stage." Jimi met with the Mothers in New York on June 13, while en route to Monterey, and again on July 7 during sessions for Burning Of The Midnight Lamp.

The Monkees Theory claims that Zappa introduced Jimi to the wah-wah on July 7 and Jimi then took the device into the studio that night and recorded wah-wah overdubs to Burning Of The Midnight Lamp just hours before he joined the Monkees tour. But the Monkees Theory is refuted by Hendrix bassist Noel Redding, who says, "Jimi got interested in a wah-wah pedal in London. That was at Jenning's Box on Charing Cross Road."

(Before Monterey?)

"I think so, yeah, because in London, on Charing Cross Road, that's where all the guitar shops were. I used to go and hang out in guitar shops when I had nothing else to do. And this one guy found out I was playing with the Experience and he said, 'We got this new thing,' which in those days was called a Crybaby Pedal, so he said 'bring himself in.' So I got 'himself' into the shop. Jimi tried it out and they gave it to him, which in those days was unheard of."

By Noel's account, Jimi had already used a wah pedal when he encountered the Mothers in New York on June 13. Two weeks later the JHE arrived at an L.A. studio to begin recording Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice. It is from this June 28 session that we hear what is probably the first Hendrix wah-wah tapes, recorded as movie starlet Jayne Mansfield was killed in a car crash near Biloxi. (Two months earlier, she attended a JHE gig, and in 1965 Jimi and Jayne actually recorded a song called Suey together.) The Jayne Mansfield Theory maintains that Jimi's L.A. '67 sessions were the first with foot wah. From these sessions survives an early instrumental outtake of Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice. In fact, if you listen to the intro section of that tune it has a Dick Dale L.A. surf music twang to it. Dice was probably composed on the West Coast too. Jimi once said, "'Freak-out' was old California lingo for humping in the back seat of a car (laughs)." And the L.A. outtake version of STP/LSD contains a "freak out" solo section of Fuzz Face/wah-wah combined. This is probably the earliest known recordings of such freaky sound (strangely, on the take of STP/LSD that was released on record, it seems that Jimi didn't use fuzz and wah simultaneously).

But Noel's claim that Hendrix had a wah-wah prior to Monterey also supports the EXP Theory: On May 5, 1967 Jimi recorded EXP. A wah-wah was used through a Fuzz Face to get squeals on this cut, but we can't be certain that the wah-wah effects weren't overdubbed tracks added-on months later. However, if it's true that Clapton played a tape of Tales Of Brave Ulysses for Jimi in early May, "just a few days" before I Don't Live Today came out on LP (May 12), then it would seem likely that Jimi then took the pedal into the studio on May 5 and called his first wah-wah experiment EXP (posssibly EXP is an abbreviation of "Experiment", rather than "Experience").

As with the Octavia, Jimi may have initially decided to confine the wah-wah pedal to studio recording and not risk having it ripped off at gigs. This would explain why the pedal isn't present in photos of Jimi during May and June 1967. No wah-wah can be seen on stage at Monterey, so the first crowds to hear Jimi use it on stage probably did so in July (maybe Jimi's July 1st gig with the Strawberry Alarmclock in Santa Barbara - what a bizarre bill!).

As already noted, the earliest photos of Jimi's pedal date from mid-August (see pic above). Also, from July and August come recordings which reveal insights into his early attitude about the wah-wah. As heard on July '67 sessions with R&B singer Curtis Knight, Jimi initially did not mix Fuzz Face and wah-wah together simultaneously. His guitar for Hush Now (and Burning of the Midnight Lamp) features clean Strat tones fed through a wah-wah. No fuzz distortion is heard. When Jimi first got the wah-wah and switched it on while the Fuzz Face was on, shrill shrieks pierced the amps.

He must've been startled and then clicked the wah off quick. If the EXP Theory is correct, Jimi may have initially regarded the wah/fuzz simultaneous combination as useful only for a one-off gimmick track like EXP. At first, he probably didn't realize he could use the wah-wah to further subdue and control those wild Fuzz Face squeals heard on EXP.

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...-fXKlE_2CQ

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

The kewl thing about Jimi's version is he uesd to put "Outside Woman Blues" in there.

carlcranshaw said:

Well all I know is that Eric went and tried to get an afro after seeing Jimi.

Well all I know is that Eric went and tried to get an afro after seeing Jimi.[/quote]

True.

http://www.rollingstone.c...ic_clapton


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Maybe he was copying Noel Redding

NDRU said:

Haha,...I doubt it.

Paris9748430 said:

Well Clapton was the one who stated that Jack wrote it after seeing a Jimi gig. Regardless, it definately sounds Hendrix influenced.

http://hendrixtapes.blogs...10-17.html

http://www.songfacts.com/...php?id=389


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