midnightmover said:

Please. Its not like they are composing symphonies. Pharrell is about on par as a producer as Madonna is as a performer. Neither of them are "brilliant", its just that Pharrell is "hot" as a producer because he's got the money behind him. He makes some cool grooves...sometimes.
But yeah, basically she forgot that he isn't on her payroll and his income isn't dependent on her so she probably thought she could boss him around. I guess she learned otherwise.

I thought this thread was gonna be about Phrail singing in the studio.

Still sweet nontheless.

Pharrell's solo album and lame drumming at the grammys a few years ago made me cry.

She probably heard some of the songs he'd written for her.

Incredible is such afantastic sonG! the first two minutes seem endless. tje melody is boring and repetitive, and that she simply repeats the whole hing twice doesn't make it better. but then suddenly the second part - a complete new song - BANGS!!
it's soo cool!

GNS said:

@ "Phrail"

BlaqueKnight said:

I didn't mean it to sound like I was praising Pharrell. I've never once in my life listened to a single track of his. I was merely pointing out that he obviously got frustrated with Madonna's lack of talent. After she started blubbing I guess he realized he was just gonna have to lower his expectations. You can't expect to get good water out of a sewage pipe.
[Edited 5/30/08 17:32pm]

midnightmover said:

I feel ya. Pharrell sucks. Madonna sucks more. Gotcha.

ACTUALLY..

MJ rejected Pharell's material for the Invincible record..

Btw, being able to intimidate a producer isn't usually a consideration when an artist is seeking to work with them. Unless you're one of Suge Knight's artists..

JackieBlue said:

Madonna has more talent than peopel think. I'm convinced she writes most of her melodies.

graecophilos said:

Based on what? (other than wishful thinking)

It was reported quite often. Well, it actually depends on what you interpret as "music". She or her collaborators alays say: Well I gave her the music and she wrote the song in 10 minutes.
Or she said (about Hung Up): Stuart gave me the music and I wrote the lyrics in ten minutes in my car

so, well, isn't teh music just teh chords? I think there IS such a thing as a typical Madonna melody through all teh decades. Think of the bridge in Beat Goes On.

anyway, she often talked about how producers give her the music and she comes up with teh melody.

Other songs, like Live To Tell, I'll Rememberm Something To Remember, Oh Father where written compeletely by Pat Leonard (except the lyrics)
Leaonard also wrote the music and meloy for the Who's That Girl refrain.

graecophilos said:

the music is both the melody and the underlying chords that go with them.

interestingly, my understanding is you can only copyright the melody, not chord progressions. so from a legal standpoint, "Music" in "Music & lyrics" should refer to the melody.

it's hard to know what she means when she says "he gave me the music", it could just be the accompaniment or the melody too. if she wrote it 1o minutes it's probably just the words.

papaaisaway said:

Yes, I am one of the few that wanted Michael to work with Pharrell at least several years ago. I'm no longer interested in such a collaboration now. But I wonder if what he offered was worse than the worst tracks on Invincible.

midnightmover said:

So basically you're saying you have no business in this thread other than taking an opportunity yet again to call Madonna talentless. Obsessive much?

I really don't think it was something that bad Pharrell said, otherwise Madonna would have never mentioned it. As somebody said, Pharrell doesn't depend on Madonna so he probably wasn't as humble with her as she expected him to be, unlike the other European producers who needed Madonna to get exposure.

lastdecember said:

Never heard his entire solo project, but that drumming appearance was pretty tough to watch.

midnightmover said:

I love a man with a back bone!!!! I'm glad he screamed on her ass.

LiveToTell86 said:

Listening to Pharrell's music is not a precondition for entering this thread sweetie.

NME

Pharrell Williams: 'I made Madonna cry like a baby'

Producer reveals he turned Queen Of Pop into sobbing wreck

Pharrell Williams admitted he reduced Madonna to a sobbing wreck while working on her recent album 'Hard Candy'.

The producer said he made the icon cry like a baby during recording sessions for the record.

"I totally made her cry like. Like a baby. I had to get her a towel," he told Shortlist. "We were alone recording the album and she kept talking a lot of rubbish, so I shouted a lot of rubbish and she started crying her eyes out."

The N.E.R.D man admitted he had been quite nasty to Madonna, but said he had no plans to make their scrap public until the singer spoke about it herself.

"I just said some really nasty stuff, I guess. And yeah, she cried for a really long time actually," he said. "To be honest I can't believe she told someone about it. The whole situation was quite intense. It's totally weird to make Madonna sob, but even stranger when she tells everyone, 'Pharrell made me cry'.
[Edited 6/13/08 4:24am]

Pharrell admits he made Madonna cry

"She's a little baby cub on the inside but outside,she's tough as anything.Once you are fighting with her,you can't let your guard down or she'd beat your ass to a pulp.She could definitely beat me up.But you know,making Madonna cry has just cemented our relationship.We're tight now.Seriously tight.She's probably the best person I've ever collaborated with"---Manchester Free Magazine

graecophilos said:

Plus,Madonna wasn't Miss Innocent.It's well known that she can be a bitch in the studio at times.Pharrell says that,at one point,Madonna told him "Work it out,motherfucker....I'm paying you!"

I also recall a story from one of the guys who worked on 'Erotica' with her.It wasn't Shep,it was another guy (one of his assistants?).He got so pissed that he yelled/cussed at her.She was taken aback,but didn't challenge him.He said "My career could have been over at that very moment,but she respected me and my decisions.She liked the fact that I had the balls to stand up to her."

BlaqueKnight said:

I agree, I so agree
his stuff post-Tasty
is just uninspired to me...
the latest N.E.R.D. project
is "just okay" maybe I need
to give it a few more spins

but the prime example of what
your comment stressed is
"Till The Morning" from
MJB's Growing Pains album
if that won't lazy
then a woodpecker don't peck wood cotdamnit
he straight jacked Taana Gardner

I wouldn't exactly say
"fuck Pharrell" though
it'd be more like
"fuck ME Pharrell"