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PrintableDarlingDiana said: InsatiableCream said: yeah but name a time where Prince lip synced at a concert.  Name a tour Prince did that was as extensive as the HIStory tour. name a time MJ didn't do the exact same dance moves/songs every single concert tour | |
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InsatiableCream said: DarlingDiana said: Name a tour Prince did that was as extensive as the HIStory tour. name a time MJ didn't do the exact same dance moves/songs every single concert tour Destiny Tour Triumph Tour Victory Tour Bad Tour "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: InsatiableCream said: name a time MJ didn't do the exact same dance moves/songs every single concert tour Destiny Tour Triumph Tour Victory Tour Bad Tour i beg to differ  | |
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InsatiableCream said: krayzie said: ]
Oh please, it's not like if Prince never lipsynced ... Prince lipsynced a lot in 90's, remember the Brit awards, Fashion award, Monte Carlo award, American Music Awards etc... If he had the talent, why does Prince lipsync in his performances ? Smoke and mirrors ? [Edited 5/25/08 17:20pm] yeah but name a time where Prince lip synced at a concert. I've never seen all his concerts so I can't tell, but the dude aims at MJ performances for lipsyncing ... And as far as I know, Prince has lipsynced several times his performances... |
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motownlover said: there is intrest in mike , he still has fans , and im sure he can stil sing
but he canot dance and sing at the same time. ever since thriller he cant seem to please any music critic. i dont think it matters with whom he hooks up with , because its never going to be good enough. and all of this because of standarts he set in the past and those standards are standards mj seems to be chasing for. its not only the general music fans and critics who want to have something as great as thriller. he wants it just as badly, and thats only slowing him down and pushing him towards people he shouldnt hook up with in the first place. i seriously hope he gives a full atempt wich means studio musicians and live performances - the dancing so he sounds good again. Nicely said. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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InsatiableCream said: krayzie said: ]
Oh please, it's not like if Prince never lipsynced ... Prince lipsynced a lot in 90's, remember the Brit awards, Fashion award, Monte Carlo award, American Music Awards etc... If he had the talent, why does Prince lipsync in his performances ? Smoke and mirrors ? [Edited 5/25/08 17:20pm] yeah but name a time where Prince lip synced at a concert. If Michael's Motown 25 and Grammy/AMA performances are being used as lip-syncing examples, then using the above listed examples of Prince's lip-syncing escapades are just as valid. Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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InsatiableCream said: bboy87 said: Destiny Tour Triumph Tour Victory Tour Bad Tour i beg to differ Yeah...I got the Jackson's Live album shortly after seeing the Victory Tour back in 1984. Take out some of the Off The Wall songs (leave in She's Out Of My Life) and add some of the songs from Thriller...substitute the argument over playing the "old stuff" with playing Jermaine's solo set...and they're basically the same. He/they used the same basic songlist, they just adjusted it for their newest material. Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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honestly, people want him to see dancing not singing. that's why you attend a MJ concert. we all know how awful it would sound if he was dancing and singing at teh same time. but still I wonder: WHY doesn't he sing his ballads live?
he may have no self confidence in his voice anymore... | |
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Personally, if I could pick, I'd rather see him dance than sing. I watch his concerts to see the energy and presence he brings to the stage when he dances, not to hear his voice.
Of course, being that he'll be 50 this summer, I doubt he's up to doing much in the way of major dance numbers anymore, so if it's that or nothing, let's have an unplugged show!  | |
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Nikademus said: InsatiableCream said: i beg to differ Yeah...I got the Jackson's Live album shortly after seeing the Victory Tour back in 1984. Take out some of the Off The Wall songs (leave in She's Out Of My Life) and add some of the songs from Thriller...substitute the argument over playing the "old stuff" with playing Jermaine's solo set...and they're basically the same. He/they used the same basic songlist, they just adjusted it for their newest material. but if you watch the concert itself, his dance moves were very different. The tracklist of Victory and the Triumph tour were the same because Michael refused to do any songs from the Victory album so they simply re-adjusted the 1981 setlist "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Look, Mike stopped being a real performer the same day he gave all he could to music. When he was younger, he brought everything to the table. Then he had freakish success and learned all the ways he could avoid actually doing that, and because he's a performer first there's nothing left.
Mike's great, but I'm not into Broadway. Actually, calling his shows or any of these shows masquerading as concerts Broadway is an insult. At least those performers sing live and put everything in it every night and sometimes two three times a day for weeks. I'm sorry, but I can go outside and see random kids or drunks or crackheads dancing for nothing more than half of somebody's cheeseburger. And they won't stop to rip their shirt and soak in all the "We love you Michael" yelling every five seconds. No thank you. If anything I'll mess with old footage of dude. | |
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In terms of his career alone, only hardcore MJ fans are deluded enough to believe the general public still cares about him. They love the old material, sure, but MJ seriously lost any chance of a commercial comeback the second that documentary from Bashir aired with that skin crawling footage of him basically holding that child. Yuck. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Dance said: Look, Mike stopped being a real performer the same day he gave all he could to music. When he was younger, he brought everything to the table. Then he had freakish success and learned all the ways he could avoid actually doing that, and because he's a performer first there's nothing left.
Mike's great, but I'm not into Broadway. Actually, calling his shows or any of these shows masquerading as concerts Broadway is an insult. At least those performers sing live and put everything in it every night and sometimes two three times a day for weeks. I'm sorry, but I can go outside and see random kids or drunks or crackheads dancing for nothing more than half of somebody's cheeseburger. And they won't stop to rip their shirt and soak in all the "We love you Michael" yelling every five seconds. No thank you. If anything I'll mess with old footage of dude. watching a Michael Jackson concert or watching a hip hop concert choose one "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: watching a Michael Jackson concert or watching a hip hop concert
choose one Same shit. That's not a show/concert to me. Maybe it is for people that are nuts about dancing, but I want more than some low budget hood ass drag queen way off Broadway show. Like I said, you can find that on a street corner and the dancing(at least compared to Mike now)would be better. | |
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krayzie said: latchharan said: Thing is, I don't understand why people always t criticise the dude for lip-syncing during TV performances/Dangerous/History tours...
Heck, at that time he was at the peak of his career as a performer. He was blood Michael Jackson - who gave a fuck if he lip-synced? No-one! People flocked just to SEE the dude, even if lip-synced, the performances were a complete spectacle and the atmosphere completely electric. He turned himself from being "just" a "singer" to being a "performer." He could've stood on stage for three minutes and farted and people still would've gone wild. BUT, those days are long gone... and he can't get away with that anymore. He's gotta prove himself all over again. And that's where I have my doubts. As a live performer he doesn't have the versatility of Prince or the Stones or George Michael and I can't see how he's gonna work those performances as a near 50-year-old. That's assuming this so-called "album" ever sees the light of day and he ever performs again... Anyway, thoughts? I don't understand why people always talk like if MJ's career was still alive... His career is over... Period... don´t agree , u can´t see the future..... | |
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And now for something completely different!
MJ is making the rounds in the last couple of days.... at the Ultimate Fighting Championship fans at the MGM Grand Garden Arena:  
and shopping at a bookstore: 
That's 3 sightings in a couple of days! | |
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bboy87 said: Nikademus said: Yeah...I got the Jackson's Live album shortly after seeing the Victory Tour back in 1984. Take out some of the Off The Wall songs (leave in She's Out Of My Life) and add some of the songs from Thriller...substitute the argument over playing the "old stuff" with playing Jermaine's solo set...and they're basically the same. He/they used the same basic songlist, they just adjusted it for their newest material. but if you watch the concert itself, his dance moves were very different. The tracklist of Victory and the Triumph tour were the same because Michael refused to do any songs from the Victory album so they simply re-adjusted the 1981 setlist I saw the Victory Tour in 84, and the Bad Tour in 88. One number that was preformed at both shows was Billie Jean, and with the exception of changes to account for advances in technology...they were pretty much the same. Not saying that's a BAD thing really, dude knows what works and sticks with it...but it has been well established by now that he can moonwalk. We got it  Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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Nikademus said: bboy87 said: but if you watch the concert itself, his dance moves were very different. The tracklist of Victory and the Triumph tour were the same because Michael refused to do any songs from the Victory album so they simply re-adjusted the 1981 setlist I saw the Victory Tour in 84, and the Bad Tour in 88. One number that was preformed at both shows was Billie Jean, and with the exception of changes to account for advances in technology...they were pretty much the same. Not saying that's a BAD thing really, dude knows what works and sticks with it...but it has been well established by now that he can moonwalk. We got it But both were different set lists, right? Which Bad concert show did you go to? Victory Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin Things I Do For You Off The Wall Ben/Human Nature This Place Hotel She's Out of My Life Let's Get Serious Dynamite(or You Like Me Don't You for some shows) Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Lovely One Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Shake Your Body Bad Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin This Place Hotel Another Part Of Me I Just Can't Stop Loving You She's Out Of My Life I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Human Nature Smooth Criminal Dirty Diana Thriller Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Man In The Mirror "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Nikademus said: I saw the Victory Tour in 84, and the Bad Tour in 88. One number that was preformed at both shows was Billie Jean, and with the exception of changes to account for advances in technology...they were pretty much the same. Not saying that's a BAD thing really, dude knows what works and sticks with it...but it has been well established by now that he can moonwalk. We got it But both were different set lists, right? Which Bad concert show did you go to? Victory Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin Things I Do For You Off The Wall Ben/Human Nature This Place Hotel She's Out of My Life Let's Get Serious Dynamite(or You Like Me Don't You for some shows) Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Lovely One Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Shake Your Body Bad Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin This Place Hotel Another Part Of Me I Just Can't Stop Loving You She's Out Of My Life I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Human Nature Smooth Criminal Dirty Diana Thriller Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Man In The Mirror yeah and yet the Dangerous and HIStory were almost exactly the same. you proved that MJ has been a sorry ass performer for about 20 years | |
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InsatiableCream said: bboy87 said: But both were different set lists, right? Which Bad concert show did you go to? Victory Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin Things I Do For You Off The Wall Ben/Human Nature This Place Hotel She's Out of My Life Let's Get Serious Dynamite(or You Like Me Don't You for some shows) Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Lovely One Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Shake Your Body Bad Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin This Place Hotel Another Part Of Me I Just Can't Stop Loving You She's Out Of My Life I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Human Nature Smooth Criminal Dirty Diana Thriller Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Man In The Mirror yeah and yet the Dangerous and HIStory were almost exactly the same. you proved that MJ has been a sorry ass performer for about 20 years "Sorry ass" may be a bit harsh, but over the years he has shown that other than tweeking to account for new songs and maybe some SFX hoo-hah that really has nothing to do with the music anyways, he's not too keen on switching things up. I guess maybe I'm just at that stage in my life when I want to see a performer PERFORM...not hide behind a light show. Of COURSE set lists will "evolve" over time...if they didn't Michael would be still be just playing Jackson 5ive songs...but to insist that each tour was a glistening gem of complete total originality is wrong as well. Oh, and the "Bad" concert I saw was at the Rosemont Horizon in Chicago April 21 in '88. Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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krayzie said: Oh please, it's not like if Prince never lipsynced ... Prince lipsynced a lot in 90's, remember the Brit awards, Fashion award, Monte Carlo award, American Music Awards etc...
If he had the talent, why does Prince lipsync in his performances ? Smoke and mirrors ?[Edited 5/25/08 17:20pm] If I am not mistaken those few times that Prince lip synced in the 1990s were around the time that his feud with Warner was beginning to bubble over. He did not lip sync during the early 1990s or even later 1990s when he was on Today or Letterman. I think those lip synced, lackluster/throwaway performances were protests in some way. I have NEVER seen Prince lip sync when folks have paid money to see him. I can count the times when Prince has lip synced on shows like Soul Train and American Band Stand because they did not have live music capabilities. Other than that and the few TV performances in the 1990s. I cannot think of anything else. For example Prince's superbowl performance was 100% live - can't say the same about MJ's. The smoke and mirrors comment is completely absurd when referring to Prince as even folks who do not like him agree that he is one of the most talented musicians and dynamic LIVE performers of all time. You pointed out a handful of performances for a man who has toured and performed live constantly for more than three decades. At this point Prince is still touring strong because the live music at his concerts is greater than any dance routine, raunchy lyric or special effect. MJ, on the other hand, probably has some reservations about getting back out there because he is almost 50 and cannot dance like he did 20 years ago. So he is going to have to rely more on the music than the dancing and special effects. Maybe he is afraid that he cannot live up to his legend anymore. Who knows. Without the dancing and effects what does he have now? That said, curiosity alone would sell out arenas if MJ went on tour. So a tour would be profitable for him w/o question. Still, at the end of the day, Prince's shows are about amazing LIVE music, while MJs are about amazing dance routines and explosions. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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InsatiableCream said: bboy87 said: But both were different set lists, right? Which Bad concert show did you go to? Victory Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin Things I Do For You Off The Wall Ben/Human Nature This Place Hotel She's Out of My Life Let's Get Serious Dynamite(or You Like Me Don't You for some shows) Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Lovely One Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Shake Your Body Bad Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin This Place Hotel Another Part Of Me I Just Can't Stop Loving You She's Out Of My Life I Want You Back The Love You Save I'll Be There Rock With You Human Nature Smooth Criminal Dirty Diana Thriller Workin Day And Night Beat It Billie Jean Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Man In The Mirror yeah and yet the Dangerous and HIStory were almost exactly the same. you proved that MJ has been a sorry ass performer for about 20 years looks at Dangerous and HIStory tour setlists No he just kept signature songs in their particular place. One thing you gotta remember is this: Michael Jackson fans have certain expectations. They know when they see the glove and sequined jacket, it's time for Billie Jean. When the striped red or white jacket, it's time for Thriller. When it's the white shirt and arm bandage, it's time for Black or White. I love the Bad tour for the singing and the setlist I love the Dangerous tour for the music and band I love the HIStory Tour for the dancing When Michael does a show, it's not just a concert, it's a presentation. This is a guy when he does a show, he doesn't believe in the world big,,,,it has to be "biggest" "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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MJ is just too far out of touch with reality to do anything significant or meaningful in the music world anymore.
He'll continue to make news for the whole sideshow aspect of his life, and the new album will make news, whenever it's released, cause it'll be the first new music since his aquittal, but he's basically become Latoya with a bit more talent. And even the whole weirdness thing isn't that interesting anymore. The one bright spot on the whole MJ horizon is the tell all book one of his kids is sure to write. I can't wait till Prince, Paris or Blanket shares their tales of sitting in front of the big screen TV sippin' on their cans of Jesus Juice and watching repeated showings of The Exorcist with the Cryptkeeper they call Daddy. | |
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shygirl said: MJ is just too far out of touch with reality to do anything significant or meaningful in the music world anymore.
He'll continue to make news for the whole sideshow aspect of his life, and the new album will make news, whenever it's released, cause it'll be the first new music since his aquittal, but he's basically become Latoya with a bit more talent. And even the whole weirdness thing isn't that interesting anymore. The one bright spot on the whole MJ horizon is the tell all book one of his kids is sure to write. I can't wait till Prince, Paris or Blanket shares their tales of sitting in front of the big screen TV sippin' on their cans of Jesus Juice and watching repeated showings of The Exorcist with the Cryptkeeper they call Daddy.  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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ElectricBlue said: The guy has lip synced since he was in his early 20's.
Motown 25 was 100% lip sycned. How is that amazing lip syncing directly from the album and performing a dance move that wason tv and around for a solid decade? Grammys 1988 was lip sycned until the end and the last few seconds that were live sounded awful.Just face it he was been exposed as a studio musican who cant do what he does in the studio with 50 takes per verse.. sure a performance here or there in concert was pretty good. But he couldnt do in constantly! Now add the older he got with 5+ nose jobs, that must have changed the pitch of his voice? Who knows, but clearly something was up, if you had the talent you pretended to have you wouldnt need to do half the stuff you did with Jacko Stunts publicity and lip syncing all their your 20's & 30's. Lets be honest the guy was the biggest star ever at 25 and by 35 his career was basically over. Allot of smoke and mirrors if you ask me. The difference from then and now is he had Epic helping hide his "flaws" and pushing him with $10 million videos and projects so you were blinded by so much money pushing him and you didnt notice the "truth". Now we see what they were hiding all those years! If there was an award for the most bullshit posts on this site,you would win everytime | |
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dag said: shygirl said: MJ is just too far out of touch with reality to do anything significant or meaningful in the music world anymore.
He'll continue to make news for the whole sideshow aspect of his life, and the new album will make news, whenever it's released, cause it'll be the first new music since his aquittal, but he's basically become Latoya with a bit more talent. And even the whole weirdness thing isn't that interesting anymore. The one bright spot on the whole MJ horizon is the tell all book one of his kids is sure to write. I can't wait till Prince, Paris or Blanket shares their tales of sitting in front of the big screen TV sippin' on their cans of Jesus Juice and watching repeated showings of The Exorcist with the Cryptkeeper they call Daddy. boring and predictable as hell aint she? |
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shygirl said: MJ is just too far out of touch with reality to do anything significant or meaningful in the music world anymore.
He'll continue to make news for the whole sideshow aspect of his life, and the new album will make news, whenever it's released, cause it'll be the first new music since his aquittal, but he's basically become Latoya with a bit more talent. And even the whole weirdness thing isn't that interesting anymore. The one bright spot on the whole MJ horizon is the tell all book one of his kids is sure to write. I can't wait till Prince, Paris or Blanket shares their tales of sitting in front of the big screen TV sippin' on their cans of Jesus Juice and watching repeated showings of The Exorcist with the Cryptkeeper they call Daddy. Can somebody get her muzzle? If you're gonna troll, at least be funny [Edited 5/27/08 9:13am] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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shygirl=  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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shygirl said: MJ is just too far out of touch with reality to do anything significant or meaningful in the music world anymore.
He'll continue to make news for the whole sideshow aspect of his life, and the new album will make news, whenever it's released, cause it'll be the first new music since his aquittal, but he's basically become Latoya with a bit more talent. And even the whole weirdness thing isn't that interesting anymore. The one bright spot on the whole MJ horizon is the tell all book one of his kids is sure to write. I can't wait till Prince, Paris or Blanket shares their tales of sitting in front of the big screen TV sippin' on their cans of Jesus Juice and watching repeated showings of The Exorcist with the Cryptkeeper they call Daddy.  Lawd! | |
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SoulAlive said: shygirl said: MJ is just too far out of touch with reality to do anything significant or meaningful in the music world anymore.
He'll continue to make news for the whole sideshow aspect of his life, and the new album will make news, whenever it's released, cause it'll be the first new music since his aquittal, but he's basically become Latoya with a bit more talent. And even the whole weirdness thing isn't that interesting anymore. The one bright spot on the whole MJ horizon is the tell all book one of his kids is sure to write. I can't wait till Prince, Paris or Blanket shares their tales of sitting in front of the big screen TV sippin' on their cans of Jesus Juice and watching repeated showings of The Exorcist with the Cryptkeeper they call Daddy. Lawd!We need to pray for her "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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