hellomoto said:

That's understandable.

TonyVanDam said:

Nope gangsta style of rap is dead and gone... Hip Hop artists nowdays have nothing to do with gangsta rappers...

Bow Wow, Soulja Boy, Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Ryda, Lil Wayne etc all these folks don't make "gangsta rap"

Some folks talk like if we were still in the mid 90's...

That's a good question.

I think some of y'all just need to stop trying to discuss hip hop..LOL..You obviously have no idea what you are talking about...


1.Typical Org head that doesn't no shit about hip hop ("Rap has surived for 20 years...")

Any real music head knows that hip hop (or rap as a musical artform) has been around since the mid to late '70s....And was already charting on Billboard and going platinum in 1978 with the Sugar Hill Gang....

2. Typical Org head that doesn't no shit about hip hop ("The huge sales really started around 2000 with Eminem")

Never mind that Run DMC was selling damn near 5 million copies of Raising Hell in '86 and the fact they were going gold and platinum on their earlier albums...

Or the fact that the Beastie Boys were selling millions of albums....Or the fact that LL Cool J and NWA and Public Enemy and Salt & Pepa and De La Soul and Heavy D & The Boys were all going platinum---in the '80s....Oh yeah, by the early '90s, Dr. Dre, Snoop and Ice Cube were out-selling a lot of folks...

Hey guys...It's okay if you don't like hip hop...For real...I got problems with a lot of the shit going on in the music today...But if you are going to shit on any genre of music then at least have the common sense to know what you are talking about...

TonyVanDam said:

Doesn't sound like vainandy speaking to me.



There.

krayzie said:

Bow Wow doesn't make rap. He makes "pop"

TonyVanDam said:

Young Grasshopper, you can be a rapper without being a celebrity or being famous.
That is called being an unsucessfull rapper. I know lots of great rappers that are trying to make it but they wont. You know why? Because being a great rapper
is probably 1/4 of the battle. You see laying down some beats and lyrics is really the easy part. Ask most rappers what they are going to do after that put together a CD and you get a blank stare. Because they dont know the business side. The days of sending a promo kit into a record company and being discovered were over a long time ago.

vainandy said:

Many will disagree, but this was a very large part of why disco (as a brand) died so quickly.

elem55 said:

I think the is greatness in every style of music, you just have to dig!

back on subject, NOT everybody can make a rap record even IF you are a talented musician, ...ask Prince!

When hip-hop features uptempo funky dance joints like "Planet Rock" for example, it can be fun. Hip-hop in its classic age (1977-1983) is the best hip-hop followed by the mid-age hip-hop era (1984-1991).

Disco had evolved into different subgenres. Disco is still here, but it's not as mainstream as it was in the '70s.

Paris9748430 said:

Actually this was an innovative sound from Giorgio Moroder back then. Cerrone and Patrick Cowley used this sound as well, but it was not the norm. Most "Disco" was heavily musician based and used a lot of latin and orchestral arrangements.

vainandy said:

say that shit!

Timmy84 said:

The Classic and Mid age eras were the shit!

Hip Hop-rap's beginnings were more organic, it became popular in its early days in spite of radio not playing it, record companies not interested, TV and news condemned as violent.
In contrast, disco was mainstream, it was everywhere TV commercials, all over radio, sitcoms,
I remember there even was a disco version of the Star Wars Theme, a disco version of the theme to Close Encounters of the Third Kind!
They marketed the hell out of it "Disco Duck"
Of course there was going to be a backlash is was all cheesy as hell.

Everything runs its course, its called oversaturation.

murph said:

I didn't say the huge sales started with eminem. Go back and reread it, you just added that in. I said the oversaturation where the only songs being played on the radio and tv were rap. Big difference.

And I sent you back an orgnote. Did you get it?

hellomoto said:

Oh what up homie!!!!!....Yeah...I was having problems with my computer....How r u?....I'll hit you up on the Orgnote tip....(And I wasn't getting at you....Just talking about the overall lack of knowledge on hip hop history...) ...Peace!

elem55 said:

so how does one (in any genre on of music) get discovered nowadays?

MajesticOne89 said:

Prostitution and/or other crimes

MajesticOne89 said:

Sadly, some artists give into the temptation of F***ing For Tracks.

hellomoto said:

I would like to know for which audiences you are discussing this oversaturation.

TonyVanDam said:

krayzie said:

I stand corrected. Those rappers you mention (except for Wayne) were from the suburbs. None of them have been in trouble with the law BEFORE their debut in the music industry.

krayzie said:

Bullshit.Disco basically dominated the latter half of the 70s.Even rock artists were making disco-sounding music by the late 70s.Disco was a legitimate form of music,and it has been extremely influential.



More ignorance,huh? Disco is basically another form of R&B.The earliest disco records were created by folks like Barry White,Van McCoy,Gamble and Huff and numerous other black producers.In the early 70s,DJs would play obscure album tracks from R&B albums,which laid the foundation for what eventually became known as "disco".You need to stop it with your ridiculous,race-baiting bullshit posts.





So are you gonna tell me that The Bee Gees,Donna Summer,Chic,Gloria Gaynor,GQ,Heatwave and numerous others weren't "real artists"?? Michael Jackson's 'Off The Wall' album is mostly a disco album....are you gonna tell me that it's crap too?

Paris9748430 said:

Listen to those early Barry White records or anything from Silver Convention,Chic,Van McCoy,etc.For the most part,disco consisted of REAL INSTRUMENTS PLAYED BY LIVE MUSICIANS.In many cases,they utilized entire orchestras(!) on much of that music.Disco was alot more "musical" than most of the processed,sample-heavy crap you hear today.

As for "I Feel Love"....that's one of the most important,influential songs of all time.It basically started the whole techno movement.

OK im not gonna pretend i have more than a casual appreciation for both genres - but i dont think u can consider either completely dead. As movements they may be over - but there are people still making similar music stylistically - and both forms have evolved into countless other influential sub-genre's.

Also wasn't Rapper Delight, widely considered the first crossover rap single (and a few others after that) based on Chic's "Good Times" - one of the last great disco singles? Rap drew on many different styles in the beginning anyway - and has continued to do so, perhaps explaing why it may be more versatile.

Rap in 2008 is as far away from rap in the early 80's as alot of dance, house, electro music is from disco in the late 70's.

elem55 said:

elem55, Rap is not easy to do WELL.

You could say rock music is easy too. Look how many children form rock bands the week they pick up a guitar.

neoretro7 said:

because you're an idiot

You are wasting your time argueing with that clown. Apparently he's young. He doesn't like disco because it's too fast for his generation. An opera would be more his speed.

SoulAlive said:

Yeah, right so legitimate that none of these Disco acts have survived after Disco died... And nobody cares about Disco anymore... It wasn't legitimate back then, and it is not legitimate now... How many fake groups at that time, how many stories behind these Disco groups... Artists have no respect for Disco... There was no creativity, or talent behind that crap...

Music was repetitive, uncreative and meaningless...

Disco was a good and cheap way for white producers to make money with the black sound... Period... I think this the worst music genre of the 70's by far...

SoulAlive said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA

SoulAlive said:

Nope, it was these white producers from europe who brought garbage Disco to the US...

SoulAlive said:

There's no race baiting bullshit, that's a fact, Disco ain't black music, that's a garbage shit created by white producers... Soul less music for the white audience... That was the point... And that's fact, none of these Disco acts were serious artists...
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