Ellie said:

My point isn't about sales, but since people keep bringing them up I'm countering it. (Also, Invincible hasn't sold THAT much over All For You. Invincible to date it has sold 8 million copies worldwide. And Worldwide, All for You has sold an estimated seven million copies). Read my previous post.

I never mentioned Invincible. It's shite. Not as shite as All For You but still awful. I go on music, not sales and they're both terrible albums.

For the record I really liked Damita Jo.
[Edited 5/23/08 11:19am]

bboy87 said:

I want the

Destiny tour
Triumph tour
Victory tour
Bad tour

on DVD

Ellie said:

Don't fans of EVERY artist know a lot of meaningless sales figures? Aren't sales by definition meaningless if you enjoy the music?

VoicesCarry said:

I know a few overall ones worldwide, but I couldn't quote any of MJ's first week sales.

Ellie said:

Than it was probably someone else's post.
I liked Damita Jo too

The thread is ridiculous.
The responses are ridiculousererer.

floetcist said:

Yeah right. I saw plenty of child molestor, freak, etc. comments on her old official site. Now that her career is not what it once was though lot of them have toned down the anti-MJ comments.

Ellie said:

I'm sure

No one likes to quote sales figures more than fans of Michael, Madonna, Mariah and Janet. Let's not act like Janet fans are the only ones doing this.

Cinnamon234 said:

An unmoderated board where MariahIsTheQueen was the user with the most posts. I never had an account there, and I'm one of her biggest fans. Anyone who is making judgements about Janet fans based on the official board needs to stop.

Cinnamon234 said:

I don't go to the official board LOL. I don't believe that logic. If they think MJ is a child molester, than they're supporting someone who is standing by the side of said child molester.

Personally I don't want anything at all new from MJ if his heart isn't in it. I don't want to see him live if he'll perform the same sets to the same routines in a half-hearted manner while lip-syncing. I CERTAINLY don't want new music from him if he's working with Akon and all those ridiculously untalented generic R&B twats around at the moment.

He can piss off and live in a cave for the next 30 years instead if that's all he has planned.

So no, in response to the original question, I'm not jealous of Janet fans getting her crap albums and tours while Michael's crap mess sits there unheard

VoicesCarry said:

No, Beyonce and Ciara stans are coming up for us.

RipHer2Shreds said:

You are so right, unfortunately the MJ stan in me just wont shut the hell up though

VoicesCarry said:

I'm special! Since these days I like MJ and Prince equally I'm as balanced as they come on the sales subject

floetcist said:

RipHer2Shreds said:

Ellie said:

Thats pretty much what Michael has been doing since 1997. But than again, at least in the HIStory era/tour, he didn't look like he was drugged and possessed as he was in 2001 That was just sad.
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Ellie said:

I'd like to hear anything from Michael. If he's on it, it's sure to be better than whatever else is out there these days, and that's at least something I can likely enjoy.

As for Janet, I love Damita Jo and Discipline was a return to form for me (20 Y.O. had some good tracks, but is not something I return to often). I'm glad she's still making music and performing.
[Edited 5/23/08 11:30am]

VoicesCarry said:

You have heard that No Friend Of Mine Tempamental/Pras track, haven't you? Or the fact that he endorsed those god awful Thriller 25 remixes

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Ellie said:

I agree with that you said though. If Michael plans on giving predictable lip synching concerts and making s*it albums, then I'd prefer it if he just retire. I just don't want him to be a sad shadow of his former glorious self and that's what i'm afraid is gonna happen when or if he performs again. He should do an unplugged concert or something that most people would not expect from him. I really hope he understands that he has to make major changes when it comes to his live performances and music as well. I mean one of the biggest problems with "Invincible" was that it was overproduced.

For the new album, Michael just needs to work with one or two good producers and more importantly, he needs to get back to using real instruments on his albums b/c I was not a big fan of the computerized sound that dominated many of the songs on "Invincible".
[Edited 5/23/08 11:44am]

Cinnamon234 said:

And now we have quotes from Neyo saying he's submitting random tracks to MJ. If reports are true, he's just getting other people to give him shit, mixing it all up with no cohesion or vision for the alleged project. MEGA YAWN. If I wanted that I could just buy any rubbish R Kelly/Akon/Usher/Neyo/Black Eyed Peas/Chris Brown/Ciara album.

Ellie said:

No, they're not! They are not outstanding albums and not great albums, also not very good albums, but certainly they're not terrible albums! All for you is slightly better though than Invincible!

And to answer the question of the topic! Why should I be jealous of myself?
[Edited 5/23/08 13:13pm]

What? All For You is one of the worst albums I own. Not the worst I've ever heard, that honour goes to Hard Candy.

VoicesCarry said:

Well, then go to janetjackson.com and you will see people on her official site hating on Michael! That all has happened!

Ellie said:

I like HC, but yeah it's nothing groundbreaking. "Miles Away" is excellent though. "All For You" on the other hand is the worse album of Janet's career. Only three good songs on there.

PatrickS77 said:

AHEM! Please see my comments on this page about the official message board, which is not a place where real fans generally hang out. It is a place for trolls.
[Edited 5/23/08 13:38pm]

Official sites for every artist are always rubbish. Forums are filled with trolls, graphics are always too flashy and complicated and info is always sparse and out of date.

Ellie said:

Well, I like All for you quite a lot actually! There are only 2 or 3 songs on the album which I don't like!

VoicesCarry said:

Well, sorry... I started checking the thread somewhere in the middle and commented while reading! Either way, people who hang out there still are fans... and the hating is apparent!