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PrintableI just saw this performance. I couldn't tell he had a cold at all. It was an excellent performance. I can't wait to see him on his tour this summer. | |
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peppeken said: midnightmover said: George has done some excellent songs in the past, so I have nothing against him, but you guys are tripping. He was always an overrated singer, but over the last ten years his voice has gotten worse. His voice is really not all that great. He uses his instrument tastefully, but the instrument is limited. About a year ago he attempted a cover of Stevie's "Knocks Me Off My Feet". It was dull and lifeless due to his weak voice. I also saw footage of his Wembley gig. The stage set was impressive, but his performance was not good, although I think the flashy lights and larger than life set did the trick in conning the audience.
[Edited 5/22/08 20:44pm] ____ You havent a clue what u are talking about...I was george live last year and his voice was amazing and it was all LIVE, no tapes, miming like MJ, Madge, Janet, JT etc use.....''conning the audience''....???  You're a Madonna fan. Your opinion on the subject of good singing is worthless. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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dirtyman2005 said: midnightmover said: George has done some excellent songs in the past, so I have nothing against him, but you guys are tripping. He was always an overrated singer, but over the last ten years his voice has gotten worse. His voice is really not all that great. He uses his instrument tastefully, but the instrument is limited. About a year ago he attempted a cover of Stevie's "Knocks Me Off My Feet". It was dull and lifeless due to his weak voice. I also saw footage of his Wembley gig. The stage set was impressive, but his performance was not good, although I think the flashy lights and larger than life set did the trick in conning the audience.
[Edited 5/22/08 20:44pm] are r u on crack??? our george might be old, but his live voice is simply amazing, perfect. his live singing is like listening to the recording. he is one of the few artists who sounds 100% perfect when singing live. Calling George's voice weak is like saying Janet Jackson has a voice more powerful than Shirly Bassey. Don't be so stupid. Not even dirty old Uncle Michael jackson can sing live anymore. At least our George is giving it all, despite being hounded by the american press over his sexuality. Bunch of tossers, the yank press, the rest of the world still loves our George. You go for it George, show these young American pretenders who is the real boss.  You think he sounds 100% perfect live? And you're asking if I'm on crack? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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sensitivemthrfker said: midnightmover said: George has done some excellent songs in the past, so I have nothing against him, but you guys are tripping. He was always an overrated singer, but over the last ten years his voice has gotten worse. His voice is really not all that great. He uses his instrument tastefully, but the instrument is limited. About a year ago he attempted a cover of Stevie's "Knocks Me Off My Feet". It was dull and lifeless due to his weak voice. I also saw footage of his Wembley gig. The stage set was impressive, but his performance was not good, although I think the flashy lights and larger than life set did the trick in conning the audience.
[Edited 5/22/08 20:44pm] He is a flawless live singer and amazing songwriter - has been given props by Prince himself. His range perhaps is limited but he does what he does very very well. To say his voice is "not all that great" must be in your mind only. I am a schooled vocalist and have been for over 20 years, not all of his songs are easy to sing - he is a very feeling singer who takes pride in hitting those notes live just like on the recording. You can;t say that about too many people these days.We're lucky to have George Michael on this planet full of pretentious crap music. I agree he was a great songwriter. No argument there, and his voice on record had a distinctive quality to it, but having seen numerous live performances of his over the last ten years, I can testify to the fact that he hits a lot of duff notes and his voice has lost some of it's thickness, but I repeat, he was always overrated as a singer. Put him next to the vast majority of his black peers and his live vocals were never quite on a par with them, but all this depends on how high or low your standards are and how sharp your ears are. I'm not saying George sucked, but he was never as good a singer as people like you make him out to be. And by the way, that AI performance was far better than some others I've heard from him recently, so I don't buy this crap about him having a cold. [Edited 5/26/08 6:37am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover once again you're so harsh... where did he cover Knocky Me Off My Feet?
Listen to his version of They Won't Go When I Go... (it was recorded live btw). Sorry, I love Stevie, but I like GM's voice on this one more. also the production. GM generally does really good cover versions. Midnightmover... you followed him over the last 10 year? Have you ever seen him live? I did, and his voice was perfect! Better than on his records, sometimes!! He just didn't sing the hig notes, but that's tough live anyway!! | |
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I don't understand why some people on this thread feel the need to use MJ, Prince, or Madonna to make what U call "Our George" look better. I respect his ability to sing & he is great at it. But why do people feel the need to put down Prince in order to make him look better?
I won't even go on about how much MORE talented Prince is all around than George. Can George Dance better than MJ or Prince?...No. Can he play Piano or Guitar better Prince?....No. Not trying to start a debate on here about this. I just found it interesting how it seems that some people here are putting down "our" American Pop stars to make him look better. Give me a break. All of his style came from OUR American culture anyway. And that comment with him being "Funky"....  | |
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midnightmover said: sensitivemthrfker said: He is a flawless live singer and amazing songwriter - has been given props by Prince himself. His range perhaps is limited but he does what he does very very well. To say his voice is "not all that great" must be in your mind only. I am a schooled vocalist and have been for over 20 years, not all of his songs are easy to sing - he is a very feeling singer who takes pride in hitting those notes live just like on the recording. You can;t say that about too many people these days.We're lucky to have George Michael on this planet full of pretentious crap music. I agree he was a great songwriter. No argument there, and his voice on record had a distinctive quality to it, but having seen numerous live performances of his over the last ten years, I can testify to the fact that he hits a lot of duff notes and his voice has lost some of it's thickness, but I repeat, he was always overrated as a singer. Put him next to the vast majority of his black peers and his live vocals were never quite on a par with them, but all this depends on how high or low your standards are and how sharp your ears are. I'm not saying George sucked, but he was never as good a singer as people like you make him out to be. And by the way, that AI performance was far better than some others I've heard from him recently, so I don't buy this crap about him having a cold. [Edited 5/26/08 6:37am] I was 13 when I first witnessed George sing "Loves In Need" live on some Apollo tv special... He outSANG everyone there -- EVERYONE... the black wannabe argument is tired and total bullshit... I actually find him to be quite underrated as a vocalist and writer... I love me some Prince records, but Faith and Listen Without Prejudice WILL hold up as better albums of work in the future... and perfect notes or not, George still has more SOUL in his voice than 99% of recording artists out there. [Edited 5/26/08 9:13am] | |
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Jude418 said: midnightmover said: I agree he was a great songwriter. No argument there, and his voice on record had a distinctive quality to it, but having seen numerous live performances of his over the last ten years, I can testify to the fact that he hits a lot of duff notes and his voice has lost some of it's thickness, but I repeat, he was always overrated as a singer. Put him next to the vast majority of his black peers and his live vocals were never quite on a par with them, but all this depends on how high or low your standards are and how sharp your ears are. I'm not saying George sucked, but he was never as good a singer as people like you make him out to be. And by the way, that AI performance was far better than some others I've heard from him recently, so I don't buy this crap about him having a cold. [Edited 5/26/08 6:37am] I was 13 when I first witnessed George sing "Loves In Need" live on some Apollo tv special... He outSANG everyone there -- EVERYONE... the black wannabe argument is tired and total bullshit... I actually find him to be quite underrated as a vocalist and writer... I love me some Prince records, but Faith and Listen Without Prejudice WILL hold up as better albums of work in the future... and perfect notes or not, George still has more SOUL in his voice than 99% of recording artists out there. [Edited 5/26/08 9:13am] agreed | |
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GM Looked and sounded Fierce!!!! simple as that | |
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Bishop31 said: I don't understand why some people on this thread feel the need to use MJ, Prince, or Madonna to make what U call "Our George" look better. I respect his ability to sing & he is great at it. But why do people feel the need to put down Prince in order to make him look better?
I won't even go on about how much MORE talented Prince is all around than George. Can George Dance better than MJ or Prince?...No. Can he play Piano or Guitar better Prince?....No. Not trying to start a debate on here about this. I just found it interesting how it seems that some people here are putting down "our" American Pop stars to make him look better. Give me a break. All of his style came from OUR American culture anyway. And that comment with him being "Funky".... I've always thought the tendency to bash an artist to back up an opinion on another artist is pretty pointless. I like George quite a bit, and I can definitely see the influence Prince has had on him (and, even more so, many of the same artists inspired BOTH of them. Both are rabid fans of Stevie Wonder, for instance). Still, they have fairly different styles, and comparing either really isn't fair. George is more of a vocalist, Prince more of an all around musician. Both are quite talented. End of story. Bashing Prince doesn't make GM more legit, or vice-versa. As for George being "Funky", he actually CAN bring the funk, especially live. He is more of a laid-back crooner these days, but the dude can get his funk on when he wants to. When I saw him on the Faith tour, I was amazed when he tore up "Lady Marmalade". Likewise, on the "Cover to Cover" tour, he absolutely kicked it on TTD's "Sign Your Name". The guy has some serious soul. Nowadays, most people focus more on his sexuality, or his DUI issues, but the plain fact is that George can be FONKAY when he wants to be. 
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I'd like to know from the prince fans what do you think were Prince's influences on GM?
I always thought Hard Day and Battlestations have that prince style. I'd like to hear more opinions. | |
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JediMaster said: Bishop31 said: I don't understand why some people on this thread feel the need to use MJ, Prince, or Madonna to make what U call "Our George" look better. I respect his ability to sing & he is great at it. But why do people feel the need to put down Prince in order to make him look better?
I won't even go on about how much MORE talented Prince is all around than George. Can George Dance better than MJ or Prince?...No. Can he play Piano or Guitar better Prince?....No. Not trying to start a debate on here about this. I just found it interesting how it seems that some people here are putting down "our" American Pop stars to make him look better. Give me a break. All of his style came from OUR American culture anyway. And that comment with him being "Funky".... I've always thought the tendency to bash an artist to back up an opinion on another artist is pretty pointless. I like George quite a bit, and I can definitely see the influence Prince has had on him (and, even more so, many of the same artists inspired BOTH of them. Both are rabid fans of Stevie Wonder, for instance). Still, they have fairly different styles, and comparing either really isn't fair. George is more of a vocalist, Prince more of an all around musician. Both are quite talented. End of story. Bashing Prince doesn't make GM more legit, or vice-versa. As for George being "Funky", he actually CAN bring the funk, especially live. He is more of a laid-back crooner these days, but the dude can get his funk on when he wants to. When I saw him on the Faith tour, I was amazed when he tore up "Lady Marmalade". Likewise, on the "Cover to Cover" tour, he absolutely kicked it on TTD's "Sign Your Name". The guy has some serious soul. Nowadays, most people focus more on his sexuality, or his DUI issues, but the plain fact is that George can be FONKAY when he wants to be. Thanx 4 the polite response. I'm glad somebody agrees with me on this. As for George, I do agree that he has hella Soul. I always respected his amazing Vocal ablities. I haven't really seen many live performances from him. But, now I'll do some research....u got me curious now.  | |
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graecophilos said: I'd like to know from the prince fans what do you think were Prince's influences on GM?
I always thought Hard Day and Battlestations have that prince style. I'd like to hear more opinions. His whole "Faith" album has Prince influence all over it. | |
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Bishop31 said: graecophilos said: I'd like to know from the prince fans what do you think were Prince's influences on GM?
I always thought Hard Day and Battlestations have that prince style. I'd like to hear more opinions. His whole "Faith" album has Prince influence all over it. 
OH YEAH! Especially, "I Want Your Sex"! I once read a review that described that tune as "the best Prince song that Prince never wrote", and I have to agree. "Hard Day" and "Monkey" also qualify! Hell, on "Hard Day" he pretty much does the "Camille" voice at one point!!!
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graecophilos said: I'd like to know from the prince fans what do you think were Prince's influences on GM?
I always thought Hard Day and Battlestations have that prince style. I'd like to hear more opinions. Although I'm sure George would admit to being a Prince fan, I hear different early-80s RnB influences in GM's music -- sounds by SOS Band or Midnight Star or, for example, the Patrice Rushen sample in "Fastlove." My friends used to bug me that "Hard Day" sounded like Prince's Camille... and I would argue that Camille sounded like "Jam On It" by Newcleus. | |
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Jude418 said: graecophilos said: I'd like to know from the prince fans what do you think were Prince's influences on GM?
I always thought Hard Day and Battlestations have that prince style. I'd like to hear more opinions. Although I'm sure George would admit to being a Prince fan, I hear different early-80s RnB influences in GM's music -- sounds by SOS Band or Midnight Star or, for example, the Patrice Rushen sample in "Fastlove." My friends used to bug me that "Hard Day" sounded like Prince's Camille... and I would argue that Camille sounded like "Jam On It" by Newcleus. Those are all there as well. Like I said, there is a ton of Stevie Wonder in his stuff as well. I also hear a lot of Marvin Gaye. I see your point about Camille, although I would argue that Newcleus and Prince both took a page from P-Funk with the Sir Nose Devoid O'Funk voice. I've always felt that Camille was Prince's version of Sir Nose.
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JediMaster said: Jude418 said: Although I'm sure George would admit to being a Prince fan, I hear different early-80s RnB influences in GM's music -- sounds by SOS Band or Midnight Star or, for example, the Patrice Rushen sample in "Fastlove." My friends used to bug me that "Hard Day" sounded like Prince's Camille... and I would argue that Camille sounded like "Jam On It" by Newcleus. Those are all there as well. Like I said, there is a ton of Stevie Wonder in his stuff as well. I also hear a lot of Marvin Gaye. I see your point about Camille, although I would argue that Newcleus and Prince both took a page from P-Funk with the Sir Nose Devoid O'Funk voice. I've always felt that Camille was Prince's version of Sir Nose. Very true about Stevie and Marvin... I'm not all that familiar with the P-Funk catalog but thats probably true... I was just trying to point out that Prince borrows from his influences as much as GM or any artist does... no biggie. | |
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Jude418 said: JediMaster said: Those are all there as well. Like I said, there is a ton of Stevie Wonder in his stuff as well. I also hear a lot of Marvin Gaye. I see your point about Camille, although I would argue that Newcleus and Prince both took a page from P-Funk with the Sir Nose Devoid O'Funk voice. I've always felt that Camille was Prince's version of Sir Nose. Very true about Stevie and Marvin... I'm not all that familiar with the P-Funk catalog but thats probably true... I was just trying to point out that Prince borrows from his influences as much as GM or any artist does... no biggie. Absolutely. I've always respected the fact that P gives props to his influences. Heck, at times he's a walking advertisement for Sly & the Family Stone!
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midnightmover said: I agree he was a great songwriter. No argument there, and his voice on record had a distinctive quality to it, but having seen numerous live performances of his over the last ten years, I can testify to the fact that he hits a lot of duff notes and his voice has lost some of it's thickness, but I repeat, he was always overrated as a singer.
Outside of the current tour, what performances do you mean? . |
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Bishop31 said: I don't understand why some people on this thread feel the need to use MJ, Prince, or Madonna to make what U call "Our George" look better. I respect his ability to sing & he is great at it. But why do people feel the need to put down Prince in order to make him look better?
I won't even go on about how much MORE talented Prince is all around than George. Can George Dance better than MJ or Prince?...No. Can he play Piano or Guitar better Prince?....No. Not trying to start a debate on here about this. I just found it interesting how it seems that some people here are putting down "our" American Pop stars to make him look better. Give me a break. All of his style came from OUR American culture anyway. And that comment with him being "Funky".... american culture south america or north america?? AMERICA IS A BIG continent | |
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My sister taped this on her digital cable service (not Tivo, but like that) and we watched it a couple nights ago. Really awesome. Didn't realize he had a cold until he mentioned it afterward. | |
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myloveis4ever said: Bishop31 said: I don't understand why some people on this thread feel the need to use MJ, Prince, or Madonna to make what U call "Our George" look better. I respect his ability to sing & he is great at it. But why do people feel the need to put down Prince in order to make him look better?
I won't even go on about how much MORE talented Prince is all around than George. Can George Dance better than MJ or Prince?...No. Can he play Piano or Guitar better Prince?....No. Not trying to start a debate on here about this. I just found it interesting how it seems that some people here are putting down "our" American Pop stars to make him look better. Give me a break. All of his style came from OUR American culture anyway. And that comment with him being "Funky".... american culture south america or north america?? AMERICA IS A BIG continent Wherever Soul Music was made.... | |
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Well, GM said he loved the old Prince records and that his stuff (and many 80s songs) were the best dance songs. But he also said (in 2004) that he is now disapointed with Prince's work.
Anyway, yeah, after that Motown sound on "Make It Big" GM was influenced by Prince a lot. Hard Day, I Want Your Sex and Battlestatiosn are most obvious I think. I can't see Monkey being influenced by Prince?? GM desrcribed it as a reggae-like song... IWYS Part III was his Marvin Gaye tribute... | |
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Jude418 said: graecophilos said: I'd like to know from the prince fans what do you think were Prince's influences on GM?
I always thought Hard Day and Battlestations have that prince style. I'd like to hear more opinions. Although I'm sure George would admit to being a Prince fan, I hear different early-80s RnB influences in GM's music -- sounds by SOS Band or Midnight Star or, for example, the Patrice Rushen sample in "Fastlove." My friends used to bug me that "Hard Day" sounded like Prince's Camille... and I would argue that Camille sounded like "Jam On It" by Newcleus. Yep your on the money GM grew up around the the time of "Soul Boys" in the UK "London" which took a heavy "Jazz Funk" sound which Sade, Loose Ends, Imagination etc..took US Soul sound and Mixed it with Ska and Lovers Rock Sound which was the UK's Soul and UK Jamacian Reggae hybrid Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Jude418 said: midnightmover said: I agree he was a great songwriter. No argument there, and his voice on record had a distinctive quality to it, but having seen numerous live performances of his over the last ten years, I can testify to the fact that he hits a lot of duff notes and his voice has lost some of it's thickness, but I repeat, he was always overrated as a singer. Put him next to the vast majority of his black peers and his live vocals were never quite on a par with them, but all this depends on how high or low your standards are and how sharp your ears are. I'm not saying George sucked, but he was never as good a singer as people like you make him out to be. And by the way, that AI performance was far better than some others I've heard from him recently, so I don't buy this crap about him having a cold. [Edited 5/26/08 6:37am] I was 13 when I first witnessed George sing "Loves In Need" live on some Apollo tv special... He outSANG everyone there -- EVERYONE... the black wannabe argument is tired and total bullshit... I actually find him to be quite underrated as a vocalist and writer... I love me some Prince records, but Faith and Listen Without Prejudice WILL hold up as better albums of work in the future... and perfect notes or not, George still has more SOUL in his voice than 99% of recording artists out there. [Edited 5/26/08 9:13am] I wonder if that's the performance where he and the backup singers stood in a circle singing around a single mic. I can't believe to this day I have never seen a repeat or clip of that performance again and it is one of the most memorable. Anyway, I think George is underrated across the board. Whether it's because he's white, gay or from the UK I have no idea but I always thought he was a wonderful singer. People have different views on what an amazing or good voice is. I rank him highly not because he has this super strong great soulful voice but because he has a very clear, pure voice that has depth and gentle qualities. But those are the kind of vocals I tend to prefer. I haven't seen him live yet but a critical friend of mine has seen him numerous times and so far no complaint over his live singing. [Edited 5/29/08 16:15pm] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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I just snapped up the first recent live clip I could find of him and this was it. Now, I like George, but if you walked into a karaoke bar and saw this you would not be stopped in your tracks. You'd think it was typical karaoke stuff which is exactly what it is. His voice has lost some of it's thickness, and of course he never was much of a mover anyway. Overall, this is really not that good, and it's typical of his recent shows. You enjoy the songs, but he's not really bringing anything fresh to them. He actually seems a bit like a bank manager moonlighting as a pop star.
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midnightmover said: I just snapped up the first recent live clip I could find of him and this was it. Now, I like George, but if you walked into a karaoke bar and saw this you would not be stopped in your tracks. You'd think it was typical karaoke stuff which is exactly what it is. His voice has lost some of it's thickness, and of course he never was much of a mover anyway. Overall, this is really not that good, and it's typical of his recent shows. You enjoy the songs, but he's not really bringing anything fresh to them. He actually seems a bit like a bank manager moonlighting as a pop star.
I'll take a karaoke sing-a-long with George to one of the '90s best lyrics over the butchering of "Creep" and a JW sermon any day. Fans support a GM show because his songs remain substantial and heartfelt. He RARELY tours so I really wouldn't expect him to change up arrangements. | |
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