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Reply #30 posted 05/19/08 5:45pm

NDRU

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Dance said:

They're an okay COVER band at best.


Even if that wasn't an exaggeration, they'd still be one of the greatest rock bands of all time, just as Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Ella, were great cover artists.
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Reply #31 posted 05/19/08 5:51pm

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WildheartXXX said:

DirtyChris said:

just started getting into
these guys maybe 2 years ago...

my favorite right now is
probably "Friends" from III

but I've been playing the hell
out of the first album
(which I only liked for
"How Many More Times")
it's more entertaining than
I made it out to be @ first listen


Friends is a cool song. Kinda underrated and definitely a hint of what was to come with Kashmir.

I love the part at the end
"it's very eeeeeasy..." love
"be who you are and say what you feel
because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind."
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Reply #32 posted 05/19/08 5:56pm

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NDRU said:

Dance said:

They're an okay COVER band at best.


Even if that wasn't an exaggeration, they'd still be one of the greatest rock bands of all time, just as Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Ella, were great cover artists.


I don't see covers as an issue. It's the blatant plagirism they pulled off that sours me.
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Reply #33 posted 05/19/08 6:03pm

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Miles said:

OLDHATJ said:

Zeppelin did a good job copying other artists songs. Some of the versions that they did sounded even better than the originals.


The fact that Jimmy Page er, 'borrowed' quite heavily from old blues songs is hardly unique to him and Zeppelin; everybody was at it back then and well before, rightly or wrongly.



This wasn't a case of merely borrowing riffs or doing a cover, but a clearcut case of plagirism where Page and Plant took credit for songs they did not write. It's clear they made unique creative contributions to the song, but they agreed to settle the case filed by Willie Dixon's estate. Sounds like a troublesome nusiance that wanted to be kept on the d/l.
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Reply #34 posted 05/19/08 6:17pm

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PFunkjazz said:

NDRU said:



Even if that wasn't an exaggeration, they'd still be one of the greatest rock bands of all time, just as Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Ella, were great cover artists.


I don't see covers as an issue. It's the blatant plagirism they pulled off that sours me.


nod I think that's what was meant by "covers."

They were more guilty of theft than any other rock band that I know of (and not just blues artists, but their peers, as well), but I think their style was original. That was why they were popular, not because of a specific riff or lyric. Not just their style, either, but they kicked ass as musicians.

Also, they've changed writing credits, and they've paid estates. They've lost lawsuits. So it's not like they still need to be brought to justice over Whole Lotta Love.

Maybe some ignorant fans still could learn a few things about their idols, but despite their (significant) flaws, Led Zeppelin was an amazing band.
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Reply #35 posted 05/19/08 6:27pm

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NDRU said:

PFunkjazz said:



I don't see covers as an issue. It's the blatant plagirism they pulled off that sours me.


nod I think that's what was meant by "covers."



No. Covers are not theft. It's important in any Zeppelin discussion to understand the difference. You're still singing somebody else's song and will pay them royalties. Anybody with even a slight interest in jazz understands covers are viable artistic expressions.

However, putting your credits on material you did not write and collecting the royalties is plagirism. Page claims it was a misstep by Plant who was supposed to make the final changes. I dispute their ineptitude and think they just got caught and had to fess up.
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Reply #36 posted 05/19/08 6:32pm

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PFunkjazz said:

NDRU said:



nod I think that's what was meant by "covers."



No. Covers are not theft. It's important in any Zeppelin discussion to understand the difference. You're still singing somebody else's song and will pay them royalties. Anybody with even a slight interest in jazz understands covers are viable artistic expressions.

However, putting your credits on material you did not write and collecting the royalties is plagirism. Page claims it was a misstep by Plant who was supposed to make the final changes. I dispute their ineptitude and think they just got caught and had to fess up.


yeah I know the difference, But Zeppelin didn't do covers, they stole music. So I believe the post that called them a "cover band" was making a joke about they songs they "wrote."
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Reply #37 posted 05/19/08 7:04pm

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I believe the post that called them a "cover band" was making a joke about they songs they "wrote."


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Reply #38 posted 05/19/08 8:20pm

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NDRU said:

PFunkjazz said:




No. Covers are not theft. It's important in any Zeppelin discussion to understand the difference. You're still singing somebody else's song and will pay them royalties. Anybody with even a slight interest in jazz understands covers are viable artistic expressions.

However, putting your credits on material you did not write and collecting the royalties is plagirism. Page claims it was a misstep by Plant who was supposed to make the final changes. I dispute their ineptitude and think they just got caught and had to fess up.


yeah I know the difference, But Zeppelin didn't do covers, they stole music. So I believe the post that called them a "cover band" was making a joke about they songs they "wrote."


ok i missed that.
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Reply #39 posted 05/20/08 1:27pm

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I love Led Zepplin. I just got into them a couple of months ago and they rock! headbang

And Led is so hot. I'd totally do him if I was around back in the 80s. drool
"I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven
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