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Thread started 05/09/08 10:57pm

Timmy84

The event that changed Chuck Berry for the worst

From HISTORY OF ROCK.COM:

In December 1959 following an appearance in El Paso, Berry and his band visited nearby Juarez, Mexico. There he invited a fourteen year old Apache waitress Janice Escalanti from Yuma, Arizona, to work as a hat check girl at his nightclub Berry's Club Bandstand in St. Louis. According to Berry, when he refused her advances she left in a fit of anger. On December 21 Escalanti arrest on a prostitution charge at a local hotel. This incident would lead to Berry being charged with violation of the Mann Act.. This federal statue forbid the transporting a minor across state lines for the purpose of prostitution. Berry was convicted to five years in prison and fined $5,000. An appeal was made based on racial comments made by the presiding judge and a new trial began in October, 1961. Most of the original verdict was upheld and Berry received three years at the Indiana Federal Prison and fined $10,000. Two months later he was transferred to Leavenworth Federal Prison in Kansas. He completed his sentence at the Federal Medical Center in Springfield, Missouri and was released on his birthday October 18, 1963. Chuck Berry was never the same again. He felt he had been hounded by the press and betrayed by the both sides of the legal professional.

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That's messed up.
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Reply #1 posted 05/09/08 11:00pm

ThreadBare

Chuck might be the wrong brotha to defend in that realm... Given his filmmaking tendencies... disbelief
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Reply #2 posted 05/09/08 11:00pm

Timmy84

ThreadBare said:

Chuck might be the wrong brotha to defend in that realm... Givin' his filmmaking tendencies... disbelief


Oops, I almost forgot about that. eek
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Reply #3 posted 05/10/08 12:38am

MsLegs

nod Between this man,Ted Nudgent, & Jerry Lee Lewis, & Elvis, they set the mode for jailbait putang waayyyyy before R Kelly.
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Reply #4 posted 05/10/08 1:35am

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MsLegs said:

nod Between this man,Ted Nudgent, & Jerry Lee Lewis, & Elvis, they set the mode for jailbait putang waayyyyy before R Kelly.


But R. Kelly set a new standard lol
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #5 posted 05/10/08 1:42am

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(Sings) Thank heaven for little girls.....

Indeed, the originators of Wang Dang Sweet.....

I think Gary Puckett was on an R Kelly trip based his four act play lived out in songs on AM radios for the world to hear.

Lady Willpower
Young Girl
This Girl Is A Woman Now
Woman Woman

As for Mr. Berry women like Spring Thomas weren't allowed to carry out their Civil Rights work so the courts took it out on The Brown Eyed Handsome Man.


Here's Chuck and Keith discussing uh, semantics.


http://www.youtube.com/wa...EA6gzAAPfc
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Reply #6 posted 05/10/08 7:27am

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MsLegs said:

nod Between this man,Ted Nudgent, & Jerry Lee Lewis, & Elvis, they set the mode for jailbait putang waayyyyy before R Kelly.


And don't forget about Prince. I think Mayte was like 16 when he first met her.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #7 posted 05/10/08 9:31am

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vainandy said:



And don't forget about Prince. I think Mayte was like 16 when he first met her.


Anna Garcia said that Prince wouldn't sleep with her until she turned 18.....I don't think Prince would have slept with Mayte before she was 18 either.
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Reply #8 posted 05/10/08 10:53am

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ThreadBare said:

Chuck might be the wrong brotha to defend in that realm... Given his filmmaking tendencies... disbelief
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This was before that incident. The whole trial was racist as hell. This took place in the 50's different times from now.
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/08 10:55am

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Militant said:

vainandy said:



And don't forget about Prince. I think Mayte was like 16 when he first met her.


Anna Garcia said that Prince wouldn't sleep with her until she turned 18.....I don't think Prince would have slept with Mayte before she was 18 either.

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Co-Sign Just the fact that he waited makes me think he has a fear of going to prison. It does not make it right for him to be talking to these chicks if they are underage but at least he is not stupid enough to sleep with them.
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Reply #10 posted 05/10/08 3:19pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

MsLegs said:

nod Between this man,Ted Nudgent, & Jerry Lee Lewis, & Elvis, they set the mode for jailbait putang waayyyyy before R Kelly.


But R. Kelly set a new standard lol


Hell, least they had the decency NOT to film it. disbelief And I never did hear any of them pissing though Chuck allegedly SAW them pissing. ill
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/08 3:38pm

Dance

Janis Hunter was a 16 year-old high school sophomore when she walked into a Los Angeles studio in March of 1973 with her mother Barbara and was introduced to a then 33-year-old Marvin Gaye. Gaye was recording his 1973 classic Let's Get it On and by all reports was immediately smitten with the mature teen-age girl. Hunter's full impact on Gaye can be heard on the deluxe edition of Gaye's Let's Get It On (2001), which contains versions of the title track recorded before and after Gaye's initial meeting with Hunter. It is the post-Hunter version of the song that has become the classic ode to soulful ecstasy. By the time Gaye released I Want You (a sexual ode to Ms. Hunter) in mid-March of 1976, he had fathered two children with Hunter: Nona (born in September of 1974) and Frankie Gaye. The duo would finally marry a year later, once Gaye's divorce to Anna Gordy Gaye (sister of Berry) was finalized.
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Reply #12 posted 05/10/08 3:39pm

Timmy84

Dance said:

Janis Hunter was a 16 year-old high school sophomore when she walked into a Los Angeles studio in March of 1973 with her mother Barbara and was introduced to a then 33-year-old Marvin Gaye. Gaye was recording his 1973 classic Let's Get it On and by all reports was immediately smitten with the mature teen-age girl. Hunter's full impact on Gaye can be heard on the deluxe edition of Gaye's Let's Get It On (2001), which contains versions of the title track recorded before and after Gaye's initial meeting with Hunter. It is the post-Hunter version of the song that has become the classic ode to soulful ecstasy. By the time Gaye released I Want You (a sexual ode to Ms. Hunter) in mid-March of 1976, he had fathered two children with Hunter: Nona (born in September of 1974) and Frankie Gaye. The duo would finally marry a year later, once Gaye's divorce to Anna Gordy Gaye (sister of Berry) was finalized.


lol He didn't tape his either. lol Plus Janis was 18 or 19 when Nona was born (IMDB has her birth date at January 1956 so she was actually 17, of course that don't make it better but still, lol...)
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Reply #13 posted 05/10/08 4:06pm

Dance

I'm not saying that certain things are okay or normal, but in many states 16 year olds are "legal," and there was a time when many women were married and having kids at that age.

I don't know why a grown ass man would want some girl when he has fine ass grown women of every kind coming at him like Thriller, but I'd hardly call the young women he's with victims.

The same chicks throwing themselves at college boys are messing with these dudes. It's not like these men cruise around in a white van telling these chicks that they're producers on America's Next Top Model.

And I'm not going to claim P did anything, but...come on

That's like saying,"I didn't inhale." I'm actually surprised he let that girl stay around him. I guess he was cool with Johnny.
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Reply #14 posted 05/10/08 4:09pm

Timmy84

Dance said:

I'm not saying that certain things are okay or normal, but in many states 16 year olds are "legal," and there was a time where many women were married and having kids at that age.

I don't know why a grown ass man would want some girl when he has fine ass grown women of every kind coming at him like Thriller, but I'd hardly call the young women he's with victims.

The same chicks throwing themselves at college boys are messing with these dudes. It's not like these men cruise around in a white van telling these chicks that he's a producer on America's Next Top Model.

And I'm not going to claim P did anything, but...come on

That's like saying,"I didn't inhale." I'm actually surprised he let that girl stay around him. I guess he was cool with Johnny.


I understand what you mean. I didn't wanna sound like I was comparing others. I mean, a lot of people have had relationships with girls under the age of consent. Like someone said, it's actually more common than people think. And yeah there was a time when "16" was legal back then so I got you with that.

Anyway, wasn't this about the injustice given to Chuck? Regardless of what happened later, they totally insulted your boy and convicted him on a white lie.
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Reply #15 posted 05/10/08 4:33pm

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Timmy84 said:

I understand what you mean. I didn't wanna sound like I was comparing others. I mean, a lot of people have had relationships with girls under the age of consent. Like someone said, it's actually more common than people think. And yeah there was a time when "16" was legal back then so I got you with that.


It was a general comment.

And in 2008, 16 is legal in many states.
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Reply #16 posted 05/10/08 4:35pm

Timmy84

Dance said:

Timmy84 said:

I understand what you mean. I didn't wanna sound like I was comparing others. I mean, a lot of people have had relationships with girls under the age of consent. Like someone said, it's actually more common than people think. And yeah there was a time when "16" was legal back then so I got you with that.


It was a general comment.

And in 2008, 16 is legal in many states.


I knew 16 is still legal, lol. Just saying. Thanks for clarifying though.
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Reply #17 posted 05/11/08 3:14am

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