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PrintableCinnie said: Fat Joe?  You mean Big Pun, right?  Oops!!!!! Yep. My bad. Sorry. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Winehouse is overrated now while she's alive. If she dies, she'll just become more overrated.
Hendrix changed music forever. He is NOT to be compared to the rest of these people including Babygirl (R.I.P. Aalyiah), Left Eye, Morrison, Pac, B.I.G., Fat Joe, Kobain, and anybody else. those are cases of an artist being martyrized just because they died. Jimi did what he did and then died. Therin lies the big difference.  | |
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Miles said: BlaqueKnight said: Winehouse is overrated now while she's alive. If she dies, she'll just become more overrated.
Hendrix changed music forever. He is NOT to be compared to the rest of these people including Babygirl (R.I.P. Aalyiah), Left Eye, Morrison, Pac, B.I.G., Fat Joe, Kobain, and anybody else. those are cases of an artist being martyrized just because they died. Jimi did what he did and then died. Therin lies the big difference. Exactly. While a decent-to-ok retro pop singer, Winehouse a legend? God no. Dead or alive imo no. Some seem to compare her to the likes of Billie Holliday, who has the image of 'tragic, flawed jazz singer', when really Billie was a hard-as-nails survivor whose body finally wore out in her early '40s. While no great Holiday authority, I do know Billie managed to actually do a lot of WORK while at times being something of a mess. Unlike Winehouse, who it's reported, on a recent pub crawl in London, screamed 'I'm a legend!' at onlookers while kicking over tables. Do you really feel the need to tell us, dear?  I hope she gets sorted out so she can make some more things and grow as a person and as an artist, but so far she's nothing special imo.
While the late Jim Morrison and the Doors were cool, only Hendrix and Charlie Parker immediately spring to mind as great artists dying young, having changed music around them with both probably having much left to give. Winehouse credits couldn't compare with legends you've mentioned. Their impact surpasses a mere pop tart print in the sand. [Edited 5/10/08 21:16pm] | |
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this thread has nothing to do with whether she deserves to be mentioned in the same breath of them...did anyone even read the original post? | |
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SirPsycho said: this thread has nothing to do with whether she deserves to be mentioned in the same breath of them...did anyone even read the original post?
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how about Jeff Buckley I reckon he would have got better and better had he had the chance. | |
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SirPsycho said: i know some of you will hate me for this, but i think it makes for an interesting debate...
i was thinkin this the other day... with all the trouble and drug use surrounding her...even tho amy winehouse is only two albums in...if she were to die before her third relaese (either at the age of 24 or 25)...she would probably be imediately thrust into the greatness of deceased rock stars of the 60's, would she not?.... we would lament a talent that shone briefly...and make claims as to how great she would've been had things been different... to paraphrase doug stanhope...who know's what jimi would be doing if he was still alive? i debate with my friends all the time whether biggie or pac would've fallen off...and jim morrison could've ended up singing jazz standards remixed by will i am for a CD exclusively purchased at Target... who's to say... my point is...artist cut in their prime leave the public to daydream about a neverending greatness that may have never actually happened, had said artist lived on... i mean, what would we be saying about santana had he died after abraxus? ....depending on who you talk to the santana we revere was no more by the time he teamed up with rob thomas... anyway...what do you think?  Death is always a good career move. |
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ZombieKitten said: how about Jeff Buckley
I reckon he would have got better and better had he had the chance.definitely, but I'd also say he became a little over-rated by his early death My Legacy
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Ace said: SirPsycho said: i know some of you will hate me for this, but i think it makes for an interesting debate...
i was thinkin this the other day... with all the trouble and drug use surrounding her...even tho amy winehouse is only two albums in...if she were to die before her third relaese (either at the age of 24 or 25)...she would probably be imediately thrust into the greatness of deceased rock stars of the 60's, would she not?.... we would lament a talent that shone briefly...and make claims as to how great she would've been had things been different... to paraphrase doug stanhope...who know's what jimi would be doing if he was still alive? i debate with my friends all the time whether biggie or pac would've fallen off...and jim morrison could've ended up singing jazz standards remixed by will i am for a CD exclusively purchased at Target... who's to say... my point is...artist cut in their prime leave the public to daydream about a neverending greatness that may have never actually happened, had said artist lived on... i mean, what would we be saying about santana had he died after abraxus? ....depending on who you talk to the santana we revere was no more by the time he teamed up with rob thomas... anyway...what do you think? Death is always a good career move. they're always preserved in that perfect young & creative state. Even if you don't die, but just break up like the Beatles. My Legacy
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Ace said: SirPsycho said: i know some of you will hate me for this, but i think it makes for an interesting debate...
i was thinkin this the other day... with all the trouble and drug use surrounding her...even tho amy winehouse is only two albums in...if she were to die before her third relaese (either at the age of 24 or 25)...she would probably be imediately thrust into the greatness of deceased rock stars of the 60's, would she not?.... we would lament a talent that shone briefly...and make claims as to how great she would've been had things been different... to paraphrase doug stanhope...who know's what jimi would be doing if he was still alive? i debate with my friends all the time whether biggie or pac would've fallen off...and jim morrison could've ended up singing jazz standards remixed by will i am for a CD exclusively purchased at Target... who's to say... my point is...artist cut in their prime leave the public to daydream about a neverending greatness that may have never actually happened, had said artist lived on... i mean, what would we be saying about santana had he died after abraxus? ....depending on who you talk to the santana we revere was no more by the time he teamed up with rob thomas... anyway...what do you think? Death is always a good career move. It even is if the career was kinda over when the artist died. Falco was a huge star here in Austria and Germany who also had a number 1 hit in the USA and when he died some years ago under somewhat mysterious circumstances people didn't care about him a lot anymore not even here in Austria. But with his death he became a living legend and is considered one of the most important artists Austria ever had and suddenly had huge hits again. Ironically his first single after his death that immediately was number one in the charts contained the words: "Muß ich denn sterben um zu leben?" meaning "Do I have to die in order to live?" With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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NDRU said: SirPsycho said: this thread has nothing to do with whether she deserves to be mentioned in the same breath of them...did anyone even read the original post?
I did, I did!true..u did  | |
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NDRU said: ZombieKitten said: how about Jeff Buckley
I reckon he would have got better and better had he had the chance.definitely, but I'd also say he became a little over-rated by his early death I also think things he never meant for release saw the light of day because he died | |
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No, I don't believe she will rise to a level of even the other second-rate artists mentioned. That's not to say that there won't be a couple days/weeks notice of her passing and talk about her talents, but that's all it will be. Too many other districtions out there. I wish her well though cause I liker her sound. | |
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I agree, alot of people become overrated in death and seems like their fanbase explodes all of a sudden. If you will, so will I | |
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SirPsycho said: i know some of you will hate me for this, but i think it makes for an interesting debate...
i was thinkin this the other day... with all the trouble and drug use surrounding her...even tho amy winehouse is only two albums in...if she were to die before her third relaese (either at the age of 24 or 25)...she would probably be imediately thrust into the greatness of deceased rock stars of the 60's, would she not?.... we would lament a talent that shone briefly...and make claims as to how great she would've been had things been different... to paraphrase doug stanhope...who know's what jimi would be doing if he was still alive? i debate with my friends all the time whether biggie or pac would've fallen off...and jim morrison could've ended up singing jazz standards remixed by will i am for a CD exclusively purchased at Target... who's to say... my point is...artist cut in their prime leave the public to daydream about a neverending greatness that may have never actually happened, had said artist lived on... i mean, what would we be saying about santana had he died after abraxus? ....depending on who you talk to the santana we revere was no more by the time he teamed up with rob thomas... anyway...what do you think? You smocking crack ? |
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ZombieKitten said: NDRU said: definitely, but I'd also say he became a little over-rated by his early death I also think things he never meant for release saw the light of day because he died Probably, yeah. I think he's okay, I always felt his music was a little squishy. The ladies seem to like him a lot, tho. Can't argue with that! My Legacy
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NDRU said: ZombieKitten said: I also think things he never meant for release saw the light of day because he died Probably, yeah. I think he's okay, I always felt his music was a little squishy. The ladies seem to like him a lot, tho. Can't argue with that!  | |
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krayzie said: You smocking crack ? ...i see your point...you were in debate weren't you | |
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