at the time he was heavy into the nation of islam; do remember that he shaved off his curl, and i do believe that khalid muhammad does the intro to "cave bitch"

Now if anybody doesn't "respect differences", it's Mr. Cube in that idiotic song. My issue is with the double standard. If a non-black artist said something similar about black women on a mainstream CD released on a major label, he'd have been hung up by the balls. Yet weak white liberals and minority apologists give Ice a pass here. Only a fool would say there's no racism in American society. But do we fight real racist idiocy by promoting more of it, from the other side ?? There comes a point where you have to say something is just stupid

I choose to be against it WHEREVER I find it

Sure you are.

I guess you know me inside and out, huh bro ???

vainandy said:

Wait a second. I used to think that some of these young white people wish they were black themselves.

vainandy said:

Actually , I always looked at a lot of rap as a 21st Century minstrel show. To a lot of the white listeners, their reaction to hearing something like this is probably not to be insulted, but to think something like "Can you believe what this crazy-ass n****r just said !! Whoa, how cool is that, to be so ghetto ?? " To them, somebody like Ice is like a python you see in the zoo, great to watch in a cage, but never something you'd bring to your safe home around "civilized" people...

So are you saying there's no way to write about these issues, to condemn racism, without resorting to ugly racism (as well as misogyny) yourself ?? Interesting....

(And personally, I think Mr. Cube was full of shit.. you're going to tell me if Angelina Jolie or Heidi Klum or Jennifer Love Hewett offered it up to him, he'd say no ???? )

I try Reality all the time. You fall into the typical trap I hear from many so-called "down" folks, in that the ghetto world of Ice Cube is the only "authentic" Black perspective, and everyone who doesn't agree with that is either a sell-out or brainwashed by Whitey or just deluded. Perhaps I should try to "understand" the perspective of a Klansman or racist thug from Howard Beach or someplace as well. I mean, what's good for the goose....

I have no problem with somebody having a preference for certan types of women. But what if somebody referred to sistas as "big butted nappy headed ho's" ? I'm sure they'd get your support...

(And here's a dose of reality for you...go to any Strip Club that attracts a diverse clintele..it's the white men all over the sisters, while the brothers and the Asians and Latinos are hogging up the blondes...)

Now if anybody doesn't "respect differences", it's Mr. Cube in that idiotic song. My issue is with the double standard. If a non-black artist said something similar about black women on a mainstream CD released on a major label, he'd have been hung up by the balls. Yet weak white liberals and minority apologists give Ice a pass here. Only a fool would say there's no racism in American society. But do we fight real racist idiocy by promoting more of it, from the other side ?? There comes a point where you have to say something is just stupid

Then I assume you support Axl Rose's use of the "N" word in his song "One in a Million". I mean, there are no black crack addicts or muggers. What was he thinking ??

(By the way, along with white liberal masochism, add black excuse making as a reason such idiotic lyrics are excused and justified. And before anybody jumps to any conclusions about my opinions, and where I'm coming from, I happen to be black)[/quote


I'm not justifying the over-the-top way he chooses to express himself, I'm saying that you "politically correct" passive agressives skip over any reasoning that may be contained within a song and dismiss it under the guise of being appauled by the "way" it was stated, rather than being able to walk away with some degree of understanding as to WHY it was stated. Axl's use of the "n" word didn't shock and scare me - its not like I've never heard it before. He can believe what he wants. I could give a fuck less. Just like you have the right to say "eff Ice Cube" for lyrics he wrote ten or twelve years ago, I have the right to say - "wait, anybody wondering why is he so pissed?"
Just because you're black doesn't mean you've experienced the same kinds of things that many black people have as a community. Condoleeza is black, too but I bet she can't relate, either. That doesn't invalidate the common experiences that lead people to write songs like those.