I watched a documentary about the LA riots a few years ago and they interviewed a Korean storeowner in South Central, and he said the first time he read about a song named "Black Korea" he was very happy that someone made a song about Koreans in black neighborhoods, you know, Blacks and Koreans living together and so on but then, when he hears the actual song lyrics, he was shocked and sad.

Gangsta Rap Made Him Do It

Spring Thomas'll turn him round right! OMG. LOL!

I'm not even going to comment on those lyrics (they sadly speak for themselves) except to say that line about makin' sure the sister is Nubian and not from the KKKlan you be in' was pretty dope from a merely rhyming standpoint.

Well, it shows a double standard. He got away with that racist nonsense, yet Axl Rose was crucified for saying a lot less (not that I'm defending Axl either). Actually, white liberal masochism will take as gospel anything coming out of the mouth of an angry ignorant black man

TonyVanDam said:

Actually, the woman in the picture with Cuba Gooding is Mira Sorvino, not his wife. As the winner of the previous year's Best Supporting Actress Oscar, she awarded him the year he won the Oscar as Best Supporting Actor. Obviously, the picture was taken on that Oscar night in 1997. Though it is no secret that Cuba is married to a Jewish teacher.

jjhunsecker said:

Damn! You're right. But I can't seem to find any pictures of Cuba with his real wife at all.

NOT TO DEFEND CUBE ON THAT SONG, (It sucked back then as it does right now). You really can not compare those lyrics to the man he became. If you remember he yelling burning hollywood down and now he makes blockbusters for kids. He was in a different place. He has grown a bit as . NOT EXCUSING HIM AT ALL.
This was horrible song all the way.

jjhunsecker said:

I agree it wrong on both ends. Everybody excuses ignorance too many levels. Both songs should not have been released. they are shock value at best young idiots needing attention at worse

BlaqueKnight said:

Then I assume you support Axl Rose's use of the "N" word in his song "One in a Million". I mean, there are no black crack addicts or muggers. What was he thinking ??

(By the way, along with white liberal masochism, add black excuse making as a reason such idiotic lyrics are excused and justified. And before anybody jumps to any conclusions about my opinions, and where I'm coming from, I happen to be black)

BlaqueKnight said:

So are you saying there's no way to write about these issues, to condemn racism, without resorting to ugly racism (as well as misogyny) yourself ?? Interesting....

(And personally, I think Mr. Cube was full of shit.. you're going to tell me if Angelina Jolie or Heidi Klum or Jennifer Love Hewett offered it up to him, he'd say no ???? )

jjhunsecker said:[quote]
Then I assume you support Axl Rose's use of the "N" word in his song "One in a Million". I mean, there are no black crack addicts or muggers. What was he thinking ??

(By the way, along with white liberal masochism, add black excuse making as a reason such idiotic lyrics are excused and justified. And before anybody jumps to any conclusions about my opinions, and where I'm coming from, I happen to be black)[/quote


I'm not justifying the over-the-top way he chooses to express himself, I'm saying that you "politically correct" passive agressives skip over any reasoning that may be contained within a song and dismiss it under the guise of being appauled by the "way" it was stated, rather than being able to walk away with some degree of understanding as to WHY it was stated. Axl's use of the "n" word didn't shock and scare me - its not like I've never heard it before. He can believe what he wants. I could give a fuck less. Just like you have the right to say "eff Ice Cube" for lyrics he wrote ten or twelve years ago, I have the right to say - "wait, anybody wondering why is he so pissed?"
Just because you're black doesn't mean you've experienced the same kinds of things that many black people have as a community. Condoleeza is black, too but I bet she can't relate, either. That doesn't invalidate the common experiences that lead people to write songs like those.

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jjhunsecker said:

Actually, I've had many of those same experiences. However, I realize his response to these situations, based on his song, is just idiotic and non-productive. Are you saying racism justifies more racism in response ??

I'm not being "politically correst" at all, he has the "right" to say whatever he wants,and so does Axl, and I have the "right" to call it moronic

jjhunsecker said:

What YOU seem to fail to understand that as an artist, Ice Cube wasn't talking to you or white people and other surburbanized black people - he was talking to black kids in the hood about hood experiences. If you never grew up in a black neighborhood with a Korean-owned store nearby where you were treated as a criminal solely because you were poor, black and lived in the neighborhood regardless to how you were as a customer then you probably can't relate to "Black Korea". I'll bet if you actually talked to some of the kids and young black males especially, who were in those environments at that time, you'd hear lots of stories similar to the one Ice Cube was describing. Not every black man is Martin King - some are Malcolm (before his trip to Mecca) and more feel the way Ice Cube described than feel like they should "turn the other cheek" or "forgive them for they know not what they do". Its called REALITY. Try it sometime.

Yes. Some black men actually PREFER black women and hold steadfast to those preferences just as some Asian men wouldn't want Heidi or Jennifer and some white men wouldn't want Halle Berry. That's the way the world is. You can either accept it or "pretend" that things are politically correct in every way. Its that same kind of "pretending" that allowed slavery to go on for so long and allows a black man to get shot 51 times by police even though he's unarmed. Complacency is a helluva drug, isn't it?

jjhunsecker said:

The easiest thing to do if you don't like a song is to not listen to it.
I've heard lots of songs I didn't like and I usually just turn them off. No one is denying you your "right" to call a song moronic. I'm just stating that I listened more closely and tried to understand more, whereas you dismissed it. To each his or her own.

BlaqueKnight said:

I try Reality all the time. You fall into the typical trap I hear from many so-called "down" folks, in that the ghetto world of Ice Cube is the only "authentic" Black perspective, and everyone who doesn't agree with that is either a sell-out or brainwashed by Whitey or just deluded. Perhaps I should try to "understand" the perspective of a Klansman or racist thug from Howard Beach or someplace as well. I mean, what's good for the goose....

I have no problem with somebody having a preference for certan types of women. But what if somebody referred to sistas as "big butted nappy headed ho's" ? I'm sure they'd get your support...

(And here's a dose of reality for you...go to any Strip Club that attracts a diverse clintele..it's the white men all over the sisters, while the brothers and the Asians and Latinos are hogging up the blondes...)

jjhunsecker said:

You couldn't be more wrong about me. I actually DO look at the perspective of the klansman in order to understand what would cause someone to have so much hate for someone for no real reason and you don't have to be "down" to not be dismissive.
You don't have to rationalize your dismissiveness and I don't have to justify why as a black man I would examine why another black man is so pissed off and not just call him a "thug" and be done with it. The difference between Cube and your run-of-the-mill "Young Jeezy" is that often times, his lyrics are well thought out and when you look past the anger, you can see the problem - if you bother to look. Every artist has to learn focus and direction at some point. While I disapprove of the gang lifestyle and couldn't relate to that, growing up under similar conditions, I (and MANY MANY OTHER BLACK MEN) understand his perspective. You don't have to agree with something to understand it. I have more of a respect for an Ice Cube type who is clear on where he stands than I do for a "yessir massa" type who tries to assimilate into mainstream society by pretending "we're all the same" instead of acknowledging and learning to respect differences.
Oh, and brothas at the strip club don't represent ALL black men. What a poor and insulting example. I suppose if you have a negative self-image, you'd have a hard time understanding why a black man would feel more attracted to and have a preference for a black women. Oh, well.
Life is an exprience of positives and negatives. In order to understand it, you have to look at them all.
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I think this topic would be better to address the fact "How did Ice Cube get away with doing more shitty movies than Paris Hilton"

lastdecember said:

Boyz N The Hood, Higher Learning, & Friday weren't shitty movies.

The times when Hip Hop was split into many segments of Image and Movement. You had gangsta, Afrocentrism, hororcore etc
Cube just pushed his militant ideology (thanks to his NOI pals) onto those records!!

LOL @ cave bytch..very extreme!
[Edited 5/7/08 15:01pm]

TonyVanDam said:

Thats where it should have ended with him, all his characters where pretty much himself, when he tried to "act" it was all over

Cube is perfect for the B.A BARACUS role in the A-Team movie.

You forgot the intro!

"ironing board behind"
[Edited 5/7/08 19:18pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

Now if anybody doesn't "respect differences", it's Mr. Cube in that idiotic song. My issue is with the double standard. If a non-black artist said something similar about black women on a mainstream CD released on a major label, he'd have been hung up by the balls. Yet weak white liberals and minority apologists give Ice a pass here. Only a fool would say there's no racism in American society. But do we fight real racist idiocy by promoting more of it, from the other side ?? There comes a point where you have to say something is just stupid

That song is brillant, a reflection of the times.

jjhunsecker said:

First, learn the definition of racism. Racism requires power. Racism is institutionalized and is a social condition. What you speak of is prejudice - which is individualistic.
Look, you lil' hypersensitive...if you have issues with Ice Cube's old lyrics, why don't you find yourself a time machine and go holla at him yourself "Back To The Future" style. Cube doesn't need a "pass", he's already got one from everybody going to see his family-styled comedies. In case you didn't realize, NWA and Ice Cube's first few solo records are WELL KNOWN by white suburbia. Its the "mo'-tea-sir" types that try to apologize for Ice Cube and others. Cube ain't apologizing for shit and I don't blame him. Many artists write angry lyrics about the way they feel at the time. Only PC Nazis who feel they need to try to force everybody to feel comfortable with each other expect people to apologize for how they felt. It seriously detracts from the human condition. Cube wasn't trying to win the Nobel Peace Prize - he was stating how he felt, no matter how emotionally driven and irrational it may or may not have been at the time and a LOT of people of color AND some white people understood where he was coming from. You seem more angry that some people actually took the time to listen closely and understand rather than immediately dismiss something because of harsh language. Some people's reaction to being hit is to hit back. That's life.

great song

please -i hate it when people act shocked

if i had a family history as a people of persecution,racism and hatred id be pissed

thank fuck he only vents his understandable frustrations as raps