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Reply #90 posted 05/12/08 3:11pm

vainandy

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SoulAlive said:

Why is MJ so obsessed with having a hip-hop based sound?? I just don't get it.When has that style ever worked for him? It's ridiculous for him to be working with guys like Akon!! He needs to get back to basics and do a retro-sounding R&B/funk album.Hell,bring Rod Temperton back on board!


Now that's more like it. No shit hop and certainly no accoustical unplugged stuff either. Michael's only around 50, he's too young to slow the tempo of his music down. Just because these kids today have senior citizens' tastes and listen to nothing but Lawrence Welk tempoed music, doesn't mean he has to record it for them. He's only 50, he's still a fairly young man. He needs to make some ass shaking music for folks from his generation and if the kids want something, give them some geritol because they are the ones that need it. lol
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Reply #91 posted 05/12/08 7:37pm

Cinnie

SoulAlive said:

Or he could really go in a bold direction and do a few songs with Dangermouse.


http://prince.org/msg/8/269746

ayo D check that
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Reply #92 posted 05/13/08 4:58am

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive said:

Or he could really go in a bold direction and do a few songs with Dangermouse.


http://prince.org/msg/8/269746

ayo D check that


Well,finally someone is being smart lol
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Reply #93 posted 05/13/08 5:00am

SoulAlive

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I never understand why the hell MTV was the one that had the unplugged show. That shit sounds more like it needs to be on CMT. lol


Acoustic albums are great,when they're done right lol In Michael's case,he's got so many excellent,well-written,melodic songs that would sound amazing in a relaxed setting like that.
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Reply #94 posted 05/13/08 5:06am

alphastreet

Dangermouse is cool, they would work well with Madonna too.
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Reply #95 posted 05/13/08 5:08am

SoulAlive

alphastreet said:

Dangermouse is cool, they would work well with Madonna too.


Exactly nod everyone runs to Timbaland and Ne-Yo,but why not take a chance on an edgy producer like Dangermouse?
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Reply #96 posted 05/13/08 5:36am

motownlover

SoulAlive said:

alphastreet said:

Dangermouse is cool, they would work well with Madonna too.


Exactly nod everyone runs to Timbaland and Ne-Yo,but why not take a chance on an edgy producer like Dangermouse?


edgy or fade ?
all these hip hop producers are lame to me. if they would make beats and hire a band to play it then maybe we have a solution but on there own ..
worst thing i can imagine is michael jackson on timbaland beats
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Reply #97 posted 05/14/08 6:29am

midnightmover

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I think you should stick to things you know. And this isn't one of them. Michael didn't say one word about the Hurricane Katrina single. That was all Raymone Bain, and she was heavily criticised for it. Notice she has barely spoke for Michael at all since then? She jumped the gun and told the press about something Michael probably mentioned in passing like "I'd like to do a charity single for the Hurricane Katrina victims.... maybe".

Right, so you're saying that Michael's employee, (Raymone), went ahead and made a major statement without her boss (Michael's) permission and KEPT HER JOB!? lol LOL, Raymone is not a high school kid. She's a highly paid professional. No professional publicist/ manager would keep their job if they went out there making statements their employer had not authorized, particularly if they had the effect of making the employer look bad, as the elusive Hurricane Katrina single did. Now, I'm going to make a prediction. I'm going to ask you a question and I predict you will have no answer for it. Here's the question. Do you have a source for this story? I predict you will not be able to name a source, because the source is your own imagination. Prove me wrong. Name your source. (And by the way, other MJ fans don't count.) wink
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Reply #98 posted 05/14/08 7:21am

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I’m sorry but if Michael insists on teaming up with hot producers of the moment I’d rather him get with Timbaland and Neptunes than Akon and Neyo. I don’t even take Akon seriously. Michael always says he knows what’s going on in music today and is listening to current artists and all types of music but sometimes I think he doesn’t have a clue. I just think if he were listening to all types he’d come across much better and more creative producers than Akon and Neyo.
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Reply #99 posted 05/14/08 7:36am

midnightmover

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LMAO! OK, first off I have to point out how ridiculous it is that you point out Akon's quotes from April and July of 2007 as indications that Akon is going to work with Michael, but you completely overlooked the quote from December 2007 (which in case you don't know, came after April and July) where he said in response to why he arrived late "I was workin on MJ's new project".


First of all, as recently as February of this year Akon is still talking in the future tense. Here's what he said just three months ago when asked in what country they were recording. "Well, depends, where ever we decide to do it you know whatever Mike's feelin'. We might fly off to Aruba for that day and do a record and fly back. That's how he moves, yeah." That is still talking in the future tense. In the other interview from that month which I think you're referring to he's asked "Are you gonna work with him?"(future tense question). He replies "Absolutely". Then he's asked "Have you started work with him?".(past tense question) He gives the exact same reply "Absolutely. So look out for that, it's gonna be crazy"". Well, if he's already working with him, why didn't he say that when he was asked "Are you gonna be working with him?" It's all very contradictory, and certainly not enough to get excited about. It wouldn't be breaking any confidentiality agreement to say, "Yeah, we were in the studio last month, and it went well". He had no problem saying when he was working on Thriller 25 for instance.

The rest of the quotes prove that Michael is taking song submission for songwriters and producers, which means he is making an album. Even if Ne-Yo and Kanye and them get rejected.

Well, I'm glad you've acknowledged that neither Ne-Yo or Kanye have actually said they've worked with him on any new material in the studio yet. It's important to emphasize that because it's exactly the kind of detail MJ fans overlook in their excitement. But if the album will be out in September/ October as you predict, then Michael should've gone beyond taking submissions by now.

My point is, it's unjustified to make the assumption that he's procrastinating and he wont have anything out until 2012


Where are you getting this 2012 date from? Unlike you I make no predictions for when or if Mike's album will come out because it is a FOOL'S GAME. All I'm saying is that YOUR assumptions are extremely naive. You've made the same mistake before and here you are, repeating it for the fourth time.

As for his procrastinating, it's shocking that a hardcore MJ fan like yourself has so little insight into your idol's character. Ever since Thriller Michael has been famous for his procrastination. Quincy Jones spoke about it, and we now have Ne-Yo giving the exact same impression. Furthermore, we have the testimony of many associates to confirm that Michael lost all motivation in the late '90s/ early '00s. When it came time to write ONE NEW SONG for the Number Ones album, he couldn't do it, and had to use a mediocre R Kelly song instead. Since then, he's taken a further psychological hammering with the trial, and has spent two years on this album and made one disastrous "comeback" performance on the WMAs '06, which he didn't even bother to rehearse for. Sorry, but all of that does not give one the impression that Mike has recovered his mojo.
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Reply #100 posted 05/14/08 10:33am

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he was never expected to sing on the VMA!!

who said he had to write a new song for the Greatest Hits??

he apparently recorded around 100 songs for Incinvible. He still has a little less than 80 songs from that period in the vault. I can understand that he released them on his Ultimate Collection, because he seems to have little confidence in his current songs if there are any current songs...

There was a song calle "Angel" he wrote in 1999. he said it was his best song so far. I wonder if we're ever gonna hear it.

BTW, he recorded three songs by R. Kelly for Invincible. Two we know, where's the last one?
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Reply #101 posted 05/15/08 6:14am

midnightmover

graecophilos said:

he was never expected to sing on the VMA!!

who said he had to write a new song for the Greatest Hits??

he apparently recorded around 100 songs for Incinvible. He still has a little less than 80 songs from that period in the vault. I can understand that he released them on his Ultimate Collection, because he seems to have little confidence in his current songs if there are any current songs...

There was a song calle "Angel" he wrote in 1999. he said it was his best song so far. I wonder if we're ever gonna hear it.

BTW, he recorded three songs by R. Kelly for Invincible. Two we know, where's the last one?

What are you talking about? There was a massive build up to his WMA appearance, at least on this side of the Atlantic. It was widely advertised that he would be doing his first public performance since after the trial. After all that build up it was quite shocking to see that he hadn't bothered to rehearse.

As for the Greatest Hits, artists who write their own material almost always write the new songs on their greatest hits themselves, unless it's a cover version. I can't think of any artist in the last twenty years who hasn't. Remember, we saw him in the Martin Bashir documentary idling about in his hotel room all night playing computer games. Also, when asked to describe the creative process, he described instead a bad case of writer's block, saying how he can sit down at the piano to write and nothing happens, so he just leaves it. Since his greatest hits album (which came out just ten months after the Bashir documentary) only had one new song on it, which he didn't write, you can only conclude that that was what happened there. His fire had diminished by that point. We have the testimony of friends of his from that time who also tell that story. The question is whether that loss of motivation was temporary or permanent.
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Reply #102 posted 05/15/08 6:23am

SoulAlive

JackieBlue said:

I’m sorry but if Michael insists on teaming up with hot producers of the moment I’d rather him get with Timbaland and Neptunes than Akon and Neyo. I don’t even take Akon seriously. Michael always says he knows what’s going on in music today and is listening to current artists and all types of music but sometimes I think he doesn’t have a clue. I just think if he were listening to all types he’d come across much better and more creative producers than Akon and Neyo.


I agree with you.I mean,if he absolutely MUST go this route,he may as well work with the best lol Timbaland and Pharrell are much better than Akon and boring Ne-Yo.On Madonna's 'Hard Candy',they did a remarkable job of giving Madonna some kickass retro tracks...songs that are similiar to her earlier sound,but still new and fresh sounding.I bet they could do the same with Michael.

Is Akon even a producer at all?! barf
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Reply #103 posted 05/15/08 11:20am

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4 pages, huh? lol
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